Karma system incoming! [Archive]

Strategist01

11-02-2011, 05:49 PM

I'm a member of reddit and karma is good and bad. On the one hand, it's good as it allows the best posts to be displayed and go to the top, and the bad/spammy posts to go to the bottom. The current system allows for equality for all, however spammers can easily do their job and pollute our forums. The one other issue I sometimes have is with how the community feels towards and issue, eg piracy. Most of you are against piracy, but say someone were to post a rational discussion of why they are for it, they could be voted down into oblivion even though they have a valid opinion. I know most of you are going to say "Oh, but I would never do that if he has a valid opinion!" Well yes, you wouldn't - but validity would be subjective.

I lean towards the "no" for karma argument. I've seen it's casualties and heroes and if someone goes against the hivemind..it's horrible.

Of course, this is post karma, where an individual post's karma determines its position in the thread and visibility. If we talk about user karma, that's a bit better as the posts still remain, but you can see what the community think of poster X, while poster X's posts are still visible to like minded, lurking people.

Just some thoughts based on my experience with karma.

EDIT: I forgot to mention karma "wars" where people would just blast a person's karma negatively or positively and the mods had to put a stop to it. They kept the system, but now only a mod was able to change it. Karma was therefore reserved for exceptional posts - exceptionally good or bad and the karma the user received would be based on said post, one point per exceptional post.

shadowfox

11-02-2011, 05:55 PM

EDIT: I forgot to mention karma "wars" where people would just blast a person's karma negatively or positively and the mods had to put a stop to it. They kept the system, but now only a mod was able to change it. Karma was therefore reserved for exceptional posts - exceptionally good or bad and the karma the user received would be based on said post, one point per exceptional post.

Ooh ooh ... can I pick the first target? Can I? Can I!?!?! *hops up and down excitedly*

Actually ... nevermind. I'm sure you can probably guess ... me 'n Fenix are most likely on the same page here :p

Strategist01

11-02-2011, 06:02 PM

Ooh ooh ... can I pick the first target? Can I? Can I!?!?! *hops up and down excitedly*

Actually ... nevermind. I'm sure you can probably guess ... me 'n Fenix are most likely on the same page here :p

LOL, yes you can :P

Yeah, I wouldn't go into a karma war, but sometimes it may seem that way if the community just really doesn't like a person :/

shadowfox

11-02-2011, 06:07 PM

LOL, yes you can :P

Yeah, I wouldn't go into a karma war, but sometimes it may seem that way if the community just really doesn't like a person :/

You're right in that the idea probably has its weaknesses (I can picture myself getting negative karma for a particular post of mine right now, actually :p ) - I'm not entirely too fussed about it - all the same I try not to step on too many toes.

Personally, I'm more likely to give someone some good karma for an epic post, than pull negative karma on someone for bringing the forum's rage on himself. If I'm feeling particularly anal though, I might strike for super-bad spelling and grammar >:D

... just kidding ...

All the same - if Tinnie is bringing in the karma system, there must be some sort of reasoning behind it? Or is it just a random addition to add something extra to the forum. Be great to hear Tinnie's thoughts on it.

HavocXphere

11-02-2011, 06:18 PM

Would be better if each post had an up & down arrow. The dialog box that opens is a tad tedious.

Also, I've seen the rep system backfire on quite a few forums. New users get nuked to rep oblivion if a long term user downvotes them for whatever reason. i.e. its near impossible to balance it right even if you've got a mellow crowd.

Strategist01

11-02-2011, 06:18 PM

You're right in that the idea probably has its weaknesses (I can picture myself getting negative karma for a particular post of mine right now, actually :p ) - I'm not entirely too fussed about it - all the same I try not to step on too many toes.

Personally, I'm more likely to give someone some good karma for an epic post, than pull negative karma on someone for bringing the forum's rage on himself. If I'm feeling particularly anal though, I might strike for super-bad spelling and grammar >:D

... just kidding ...

All the same - if Tinnie is bringing in the karma system, there must be some sort of reasoning behind it? Or is it just a random addition to add something extra to the forum. Be great to hear Tinnie's thoughts on it.

The karma does tend to make people behave - after all you don't want to look like you have so much negative karma the you are hated by the community, but...

I also want Tinnie's thought's on this! :mad:

Duke Dude

11-02-2011, 06:31 PM

If you disapprove a person's post does that add or subtract from that person's karma?

shadowfox

11-02-2011, 06:33 PM

It subtracts, if I remember my experience with a similar system correctly. That little green bar under your name becomes a little red bar :D

Solitude

12-02-2011, 11:51 AM

Ah cool. :D

I gave you some karma for your informative post shadowfox. Yay now MyGaming is more game like.

Duke Dude

12-02-2011, 02:45 PM

It subtracts, if I remember my experience with a similar system correctly. That little green bar under your name becomes a little red bar :D

Thanks bro!

Dishing out my firs bit of karma to you :D

Deceptor

12-02-2011, 05:00 PM

The Karma/rep system is cool as long as it's not abused.

Strategist01

12-02-2011, 05:44 PM

Ok, been playing around with the system for a while and here are the things I learned:
1.) The system is cannot be abused too much. This is due to some limitations:
1.1) You cannot give out karma to one person continuously, ie: You like Person X's post, +1 karma. Then you don't like their post later on in the thread. You try to give them -1 Karma. You can't. You have to give/remove karma to/from other people before being able to give to person X again.
1.2) There is only a certain amount of karma you can give out, + or - in 24Hrs.
1.3) You also cannot give out more then one karma point per post. Then 1.1 comes into play etc.
2.) That they way it is designed makes you only do karma for an exceptional/really good or bad post.
3.) Be just. point 1 ensures that you cannot go overboard, but then because of point 1, why should you be unjust? You're just wasting karma.
4.)Negative karma points require a comment, to make you think a bit about why you are downvoting this person. Of course, you could put in "asdfasdf", but then you probably don't care about these points anyway.

That's it! Now give me some karma! :P

Magnarmalok

12-02-2011, 06:56 PM

tpex

12-02-2011, 07:41 PM

now I'm fucked.... :p

Strategist01

12-02-2011, 09:00 PM

To be honest this is a great system, it encourages people to post in a helpful way instead of just "ROFL LFMAO +1" Type post but instead to post stuff like "Voicy's epic WoW Starter guide"

It might also reduce flame wars by alot, but then there's also the added downside of people being to scared to voice their opinion on certain topics *cough piracy cough*

To be honest, time will tell how this will work for our community. It might work or it might "break" the community in some form :?

There is that chance, but it would require all 300+ active members each day to negatively blast someone then give points elsewhere, then blast again. I think people would stop in the middle of this and just ask themselves why they are being so petty. Or not, with some of the people on here :rolleyes:

czc

12-02-2011, 09:53 PM

There is that chance, but it would require all 300+ active members each day to negatively blast someone then give points elsewhere, then blast again. I think people would stop in the middle of this and just ask themselves why they are being so petty. Or not, with some of the people on here :rolleyes:

Sort of like a 4chan attack :eek:

Pr⊕phet

12-02-2011, 10:06 PM

so if we don't win can we subtract some karma from tinman ?

....and add to timnan's karma if we win :D

tpex

13-02-2011, 10:21 AM

....and add to timnan's karma if we win :D

poor guy, every come he is going to loose like +300 karma and gain like 1.... Tinny is going to have the worst karma on the forum

sycogrim

14-02-2011, 08:11 AM

I like the sound of the Karma system, but if ur sitting a negative and just end up going further, especially since I can see some of the guys just giving negative rep just for fun... Whats gonna happen then??

Pr⊕phet

14-02-2011, 08:21 AM

Blaze786

14-02-2011, 08:30 AM

How would we check our rep?

shadowfox

14-02-2011, 08:40 AM

How would we check our rep?

If you click on the settings link, where it takes you to the page showing all your subscribed threads; right at the bottom it will show you what reputation you've received - it also gives you the total.

I think everyone starts off with 10 points - which is the default setting for User is on a distinguished road. On 0, you would be an unknown quantity.

I'm not sure how points get allocated - I've looked at the settings for a forum I moderate on and I don't see a setting for how many points are given per person giving you reputation - so no clue there. I'm relatively sure it's not 1 point though.

Duke Dude

14-02-2011, 10:12 AM

Solitude

14-02-2011, 10:40 AM

I think we may have to be given some rep before we can see it because I can't see it either. I have given shadowfox some rep before so that may be the reason why he is seeing it. I'll give you some Duke Dude, see if it makes a difference.

to0kenZA

14-02-2011, 10:42 AM

shadowfox

14-02-2011, 11:15 AM

I don't see that mate, I went into my setting to the place where I would have subscribed threads (I don't have any though) and didn't see any rep... Now I haven't been given any but should I not be able to see my total (10) if thats what we started with?

Yeah sorry, I forgot to mention that. You have to have received or gotten some karma to be able to see your score :)

Duke Dude

14-02-2011, 01:45 PM

hideinlight

14-02-2011, 03:06 PM

There's no cancel button, took me a while (20 seconds) to figure out that you must click out of the box the close the window.

sycogrim

14-02-2011, 03:29 PM

Am I going to get like a lot of rep for my 2 years of contributions?? :p

shadowfox

14-02-2011, 06:54 PM

Nope :p Contribute more :D

Gimaru

17-02-2011, 08:33 AM

shadowfox

17-02-2011, 08:37 AM

Is it kind of like Sony Entertainment's new forum setup? A score system (vote thumbs up or down) for each topic, and the one with the most score shows on top? The reason I really dislike this is because when I make a post on SOE's DCUO forums, my topic shows up on about the 4th page. Though it might not be such a problem here because of less spam.

Nope ... this is user-based only. And I don't think there is any kind of ranking involved - it's just intended to add a little extra functionality to the forum which in a way gives people an idea of any particular user's popularity and/or ummm ... I suppose, helpfulness on the forum.

So if a guy has a long green bar, then you can probably guess that he/she/(it? :p) is being generally helpful and well-mannered, and if it's red you can bet the user spends most of his time being an ass.

McGuywer

17-02-2011, 02:14 PM

Could be a good idea but the Karma amount should be shown under your details.
The actual number. Not just a bar.
Let's say under location. Or posts.

tpex

17-02-2011, 04:03 PM

I see people can post reasons... some people have no humour....

Toxin

18-02-2011, 11:14 AM

What's with the "Hopefully you will receive karma back from the guy you just gave to"?

If you receive karma is there an option to give back automatically?

shadowfox

18-02-2011, 11:41 AM

I see people can post reasons... some people have no humour....

Hahahaha ... shame dude. People nailing you?

I see you've been reduced to an unknown quantity :D

tpex

18-02-2011, 01:36 PM

Hahahaha ... shame dude. People nailing you?

I see you've been reduced to an unknown quantity :D

sometimes Ifeel like pulling an Eric Cartmen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158983/quotes?qt0440519) (not for people who don't like searing, hurr durr)

Toxin

18-02-2011, 01:45 PM

sometimes Ifeel like pulling an Eric Cartmen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158983/quotes?qt0440519) (not for people who don't like searing, hurr durr)

+Karma for reminding me of the "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUCK MY BALLS, MR. GARRISON?" part of the movie :D :D

tpex

18-02-2011, 01:52 PM

+Karma for reminding me of the "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUCK MY BALLS, MR. GARRISON?" part of the movie :D :D

Haha thanks

DenSweeP

21-02-2011, 12:37 PM

Does it really matter? Other than to boost your E-Peen?

Faffa

10-05-2011, 09:22 PM

It's true. A high post count, and good karma, = strong epeen <3

Crzwaco

10-10-2011, 12:14 AM

So how has this been working out? So is it going to stay?

Seems there is a lot of fights in some random threads about the karma/rep.

tpex

10-10-2011, 12:50 AM

IMO it has been working quite well, the trolls gets bad rep and the good guys get good rep and then there is all the rest of us inbetween :D

The Joker

10-10-2011, 12:54 AM

It works fine, the whole Anonymity thing has to be changed though, If you have the balls to give negative rep for no reason then you're name should be visible. Same goes for a positive rep, most guys do add their name though..but it should be automatic.

tpex

10-10-2011, 07:16 AM

Without Anonymity though there will be a big increase in karma wars

Pr⊕phet

10-10-2011, 07:54 AM

Without Anonymity though there will be a big increase in karma wars

Lol, it's far from anonymous.

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

Graal

10-10-2011, 08:06 AM

I still think people worry too much about the rep system. Getting angry because someone neg-repped you is the same as getting angry because some high-schooler tells you you're a doofus. :P

Pr⊕phet

10-10-2011, 09:02 AM

Getting angry because someone neg-repped you is the same as getting angry because some high-schooler tells you you're a doofus. :P

Or love ;)

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 10:58 AM

I still think people worry too much about the rep system. Getting angry because someone neg-repped you is the same as getting angry because some high-schooler tells you you're a doofus. :P

Pretty much how I feel about it.

I've been thinking that a less-antagonistic way to make use of the Karma system would be a lot like it's done on Steam: people can +rep but not -rep. Your reputation is also shown in numerical form (as well as with the graphical stars/bars) so that your epeen can be pampered.

At least that way people who can't handle the butthurt of being neg-repped better spend their time fussing over why no-one's +repping them and there's no "Karma Wars" to be had.

Mephisto_Helix

10-10-2011, 11:34 AM

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 12:20 PM

The system is broken because people can add snide comments or personal attacks without their name being visible. Most other forums, personal attacks are frowned upon and we even had some threads here where people were attacked and a whole bunch of people felt that that was wrong so why allow it in a different way? This is a gaming forum and people have massively differing opinions which is what makes a gaming community cool but calling people a fucking idiot for not liking X/Y/Z or whatever, well, that makes it childish.

Like I've said before, this is what pisses me off, not getting 4 million neg rep.

So... just to put this into perspective: you're upset because someone called you a "fucking idiot" or whatever in a -rep, because you said that a game they might play and/or be fond of is "shyte."

I think it's kind of ironic. You provoke a fan-base of a specific genre by calling that genre "shyte" and act surprised when there's backlash?

Think about it: had that backlash simply remained in the Karma system, that thread would probably never have been derailed. Had you simply ignored commenting about a genre you couldn't care less about, you would never have received negative rep and again, that thread would probably never have been derailed.

While I agree, asinine, antagonistic and hostile comments should be left out of the Karma system (perhaps those comments should be moderated the same as ordinary forum posts/PMs) I can't help but feel the response you received was adequate. It's a pity that thread went south before it even had a chance to begin but whatever. Some people can't help themselves (and this goes both ways).

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's the internet. You learn to take things with a bucket of salt; you learn to never take anything personally and you get on with your life.

If you feel a particular rep comment was downright hostile then briing it to the mods' attention and see what they have to say about it. Maybe they can have a chat with whomever it was or proffer a rule to perhaps shy people away from risking the banhammer in that way.

For the record, I didn't neg-rep you for your comment in that thread, but I did neg rep you for post #6 (the -1) for feeling the need to beat your chest about something so fucking petty.

If you have a problem with something someone said/did/whatever, report it to the mods. Why take down an entire thread because your ego took a dent after someone called you an idiot? If there's no truth to it, why take it to heart? Do you do that every single time someone says something to hurt your feelings?

Perhaps I've just grown too thick-skinned about this sort of shit, but you went through high-school, right? Got called names, had your feelings hurt, etc? Didn't you ever grow some balls to ignore that shit?

And the same goes to everyone who's been trolled on this forum. Grow some bloody balls and ignore it. Report it to a mod but don't take the damn bait every single fucking time.

Graal

10-10-2011, 12:41 PM

So... just to put this into perspective: you're upset because someone called you a "fucking idiot" or whatever in a -rep, because you said that a game they might play and/or be fond of is "shyte."

I think it's kind of ironic. You provoke a fan-base of a specific genre by calling that genre "shyte" atnd act surprised when there's backlash?

Zigzactly. If I were to go into a review thread for BF3 and ask 'how do people play this shyte?', I'd get at least 10 neg-reps telling me what an idiot or d00s I am. Yes, that really happened once. In a thread where I was stating my stance on piracy, somebody neg-repped me with 'd00s' as the reason.

In fact, three quarters of my neg-rep is often BF3 related. Either because I said I'm not quite as interested in it, or because I show dismay at the thought of Origin being a requirement for BF3. You don't see me crying over neg-rep all day long, even though much of what I get neg-repped for is simply over a difference in opinion.

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 12:44 PM

Zigzactly. If I were to go into a review thread for BF3 and ask 'how do people play this shyte?', I'd get a least 10 neg-reps telling me what an idiot or d00s I am. Yes, that really happened once. In a thread where I was stating my stance on piracy, somebody neg-repped me with 'd00s' as the reason.

In fact, three quarters of my neg-rep is often BF3 related. Either because I said I'm not quite as interested in it, or because I show dismay at the thought of Origin being a requirement for BF3. You don't see me crying over neg-rep all day long, even though much of what I get neg-repped for is simply over a difference in opinion.

You do, however, fall prey to the trolls, like our dear Anonymous ;)

/runs

Mephisto_Helix

10-10-2011, 12:48 PM

You don't have much room to talk Ly, not at all, but we'll keep it out of here.

If it's ok by you to just random spiteful comment instead of stating a reason for a disagreement, well it's obvious the level of maturity that is supported.

Graal

10-10-2011, 12:49 PM

You do, however, fall prey to the trolls, like our dear Anonymous ;)

/runs

Argh, trolls! My one weakness!

:p

You don't have much room to talk Ly, not at all, but we'll keep it out of here.

If it's ok by you to just random spiteful comment instead of stating a reason for a disagreement, well it's obvious the level of maturity that is supported.

Dude, no offense, but right now you're officially no longer one to talk about maturity. Somebody called you an idiot in the totally private rep system, which has absolutely no bearing on your forum presence (it's not like your rep is red), and you let it bother you so much that not only do you feel the need to go on about it in a public thread, but you simply cannot let it go and just keep going on and on about 'immaturity'.

Seriously, there's nothing mature about being unable to shrug off something as petty as a negative comment in a private rep system. :/

As has been pointed out to me before, I might not be a big one to talk concerning matters like these, but honestly. Get over it already.

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 01:02 PM

You don't have much room to talk Ly, not at all, but we'll keep it out of here.

I have nothing to hide, Mephi. I've taken things to heart I shouldn't have, I've been baited when I should have ignored it; and there have been stages in my life where I've been absolutely pitiful. That's part of life.

However, you need to learn to deal with stuff like that and grow from it. You need to learn to remember who it comes from and whether or not you would, in a million years, take them as seriously as you would when you're emotional.

Let me know if there's something you're thinking of specifically. We've all been guilty at some stage, I'd just prefer if we learn to recognise it and try stop it before it begins. To me, that's basically where, if you have zero interest in something, why say something to provoke those who are interested in it?

If it's ok by you to just random spiteful comment instead of stating a reason for a disagreement, well it's obvious the level of maturity that is supported.

I never said it was okay. I said if you consider it blatantly hostile and antagonistic, report it and have the mods deal with it otherwise you sink to their level and perpetuate the same cycle of events and do little more than just make an uncomfortable situation for everyone.

Like that thread, seriously, who the hell would comment in it now?

James

10-10-2011, 08:26 PM

czc

10-10-2011, 08:33 PM

Like that thread, seriously, who the hell would comment in it now?

I was tempted to tell you all to get back on topic. :p

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 08:33 PM

Hi chaps; I've been reading all of your concerns. There are a couple of options we can perhaps use to address concerns - these work for all registered users, either on or off.

Can See Who Left User Ratings

Can Leave Negative Reputation

Unfortunately I cannot disable the leaving of comments.

So, we could disable neg repping, and that means people can only move up in the world. You'll still be able to leave a comment, but at least if you are getting called an idiot, your karma went up in some sort of twisted forum-karma justice.

We could remove the anonymity of the karma system so people can't hide. It might make people consider more carefully the message they send.

I think this makes sense - the number 1 forum rule should still apply to the karma system:

1. Aggressive or unnecessarily offensive behaviour will not be tolerated.
- IE, no personal attacks, insults, bigotry, misogyny, hate-speech or condescending language.

IMO, calling someone an 'idiot' is not the worst example of an insult, as long as the person casting aspersions has the balls to put their name to it. It should preferably be backed up with a forum post detailing just why they think said user in an idiot.

I notice Tinman never posted the mechanics of the Karma system, so I can revise those and post them here so everyone knows how the points system works.

The third option is to simply turn the damn thing off altogether.

I'd think that the best option would be to remove the ability to neg-rep someone since this seems to breed animosity one way or the other and just allow +rep. Your twisted forum-karma justice is apt :p

I've also been speaking to Mephisto and I think we both agree that the Karma system seems to take a lot out of "discussion." In other words, it becomes easier to just give/take rep than to actually engage with someone.

One way or the other, I agree that anonymity should be removed (in fact, I think we can all agree on this). Worst case scenario, there's a bit of tension that will soon finally be put to ease.

GO, GO, GO!

I was tempted to tell you all to get back on topic. :p

Whatchoo talkin' about? I never took part in that thread at all >.>

James

10-10-2011, 08:43 PM

I'll give it a day or two for other concerned parties to respond and then I'll make a decision. I'm leaning toward both disabling the negative karma and removing anonymity.

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 08:45 PM

I'll give it a day or two for other concerned parties to respond and then I'll make a decision. I'm leaning toward both disabling the negative karma and removing anonymity.

Yay! \o/

Things are definitely going to get interesting in these parts :3

Graal

10-10-2011, 08:47 PM

Pr⊕phet

10-10-2011, 08:59 PM

James

10-10-2011, 09:07 PM

shadowfox

10-10-2011, 09:10 PM

I vote for having it removed altogether. My experience shows it's always just been one way of promoting e-penisry. If removing it entirely doesn't work, I think the ability to neg-rep should be removed and every user's points should count the same. One user shouldn't be able to add 14 rep to another user's score simply because he has a higher rep.

Still, by removing the neg-rep, we're going to end up with all members sitting on full rep pretty soon, so it might be equally pointless. For that, I'd also suggest wiping everybody's slates clean so everybody starts out on the same page.

For that matter, I vote we remove the Karma system entirely for a month or so, see how things go, and if people want it back after that, reconsider bringing it back.

I kinda agree with Graal here - taking the neg rep away removes the reason it was put there in the first place; to make people think before speaking. Obviously this hasn't worked. The flaw in the system is that it pre-supposes that everyone taking part are adults ... mentally or physically - take your pick. I've seen the karma system used to great effect on some professional forums - again, the fact that most of the participants were professionals probably had something to do with it.

I just vote for removing it entirely - I'm sure we can put something else in place that will hopefully promote people's ability to be valuable contributing members of the forum. Even if we remove it, I doubt a lot of people would notice, just look how long we had it before people actually started using it.

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 09:11 PM

here is something interesting

http://i53.tinypic.com/vdcq5e.jpg

split the post id and user id

then all you need is this link...

http://mygaming.co.za/forum/member.php

...not so anonymous any more. i wonder if this was by design, if so it was really bad on vbulletin's part ;)

You gave me +rep! You sweet, sweet bastard :D

I'll pay you back at some point :D

(And here we have a fine example of anonymous-free rep back-patting) ^.^

shadowfox

10-10-2011, 09:12 PM

You gave me +rep! You sweet, sweet bastard :D

I'll pay you back at some point :D

lol ... case in point :D

Not what the rep system was designed for :p

Mephisto_Helix

10-10-2011, 09:12 PM

I agree with Ly 100% and I also take my hat off to James for taking things into consideration and coming up with solutions ......

Graal

10-10-2011, 09:16 PM

here is something interesting

split the post id and user id

then all you need is this link...

Jou slimkop!

toemaar hoor jys ook een van my wit broodjies

Lol. Ek het gewonder of dit jy was. :P

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 09:19 PM

lol ... case in point :D

Not what the rep system was designed for :p

Oi! Don't you judge me! I have needs too, ya know! :p

I agree with Ly 100% and I also take my hat off to James for taking things into consideration and coming up with solutions ......

:D

Well, it's definitely an excellent compromise: we all get what we want. The rep system stays, the anonymity gets removed and the hostility gets kept in check.

Pretty snazzy :3

czc

10-10-2011, 09:21 PM

What do grey boxes mean in your list of rep?

James

10-10-2011, 09:25 PM

What do grey boxes mean in your list of rep?

It means that the person who gave reputation didn't have any rep giving power at that time.

Lycanthrope

10-10-2011, 09:25 PM

What do grey boxes mean in your list of rep?

Means someone failed to really give you negative rep so it ended up as neutral instead. I have a couple of those :D

shadowfox

10-10-2011, 09:26 PM

What do grey boxes mean in your list of rep?

Someone + or - repped you but didn't have enough rep of their own (or too new to the forum) for it to have any effect.

Leastways that's my theory. [nvm ... I see James confirmed it]

Oi! Don't you judge me! I have needs too, ya know!

I .... see. Well ... I'll leave you and Meph to whatever it is you were doing. Don't mind me :p

Graal

10-10-2011, 09:27 PM

What do grey boxes mean in your list of rep?

I think it's either new members, or either members whose rep is so low it counts for nothing.

At one point, I thought rep turned grey if two memebers neg-repped each other, but after testing the theory a few times (sorry for the hapless victims, but my rep counted for very little and I didn't neg-rep good posts :P), it turned out it doesn't work that way.

Oh, ninja'd. :(

Crzwaco

10-10-2011, 10:32 PM

Yeah I would say just take away the anonymous of it all leave the neg and pos rep as is.

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 06:15 AM

lol; hacked.

I was considering resetting the whole thing and we all start from scratch.

I like the idea of having all rep at the same value, no perks for accumulating lots of karma etc.

I can revise the hovering messages and level increments to accommodate that new system.

In my experience, removing a feature will mean there is an immediate outcry and people will all act like they want it back, so a testing phase would just be pointless.

Just make the increment and decrement a constant value and not in relation to re giver/taker's rep.

Obviously keep both or else it really becomes pointless. Then drop the " anonymous" ( not like it was there ;) ).

Don't think we need a rep reset :D I dare say my force power are erm rather of the greatest :p

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 07:04 AM

Don't think we need a rep reset :D I dare say my force power are erm rather of the greatest :p

Already waving your e-peen around Pr⊕ph?

Let us fight, and we shall see whose e-peen is strongest!! :p

Tsar

11-10-2011, 07:26 AM

Mine just goes down :-/

tpex

11-10-2011, 07:27 AM

I fail to see any affected parties here in aside from the valid point of comments?

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 07:56 AM

Already waving your e-peen around Pr⊕ph?

Let us fight, and we shall see whose e-peen is strongest!! :p

The e-peen is with you shadowbox, but you are not a Jedi yet.

/flicks on e-peen

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 08:27 AM

The e-peen is with you shadowbox, but you are not a Jedi yet.

/flicks on e-peen

lol ... derail completed :D

James

11-10-2011, 11:14 AM

Mine just goes down :-/

These days they have e-pills for that problem.

Graal

11-10-2011, 11:19 AM

http://i54.tinypic.com/2q3p6a0.jpg

Lycanthrope

11-10-2011, 11:48 AM

Already waving your e-peen around Pr⊕ph?

Let us fight, and we shall see whose e-peen is strongest!! :p

"Strongest?" How are you going to determine that? Knocking 'em together a couple of times? :D

czc

11-10-2011, 11:51 AM

These days they have e-pills for that problem.

Just make sure to take the green ones :D

Graal

11-10-2011, 11:52 AM

No, you silly man. They are going to hang 10kg weights from them.

TimstaH

11-10-2011, 11:58 AM

No, you silly man. They are going to hang 10kg weights from them.

Ouchz0R!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frackness, the pain :D

matt

11-10-2011, 11:59 AM

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/whats_going_on.jpg

MOnk

11-10-2011, 12:20 PM

Personally I prefer the 'Thumbs Up/Down' system that happens per post but I would gather that would need a more extensive forum overhaul.

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 01:04 PM

These days they have e-pills for that problem.The e-peen is not with that one *erm*

Fabio

11-10-2011, 01:41 PM

Yeah I would say just take away the anonymous of it all leave the neg and pos rep as is.

I have to agree with CRZwaco here!

No use just dishing out + rep all the time, what's the use then?

Somewhere along the way, we're all going to sit at maximum rep, and the entire karma thing will be useless...

Murph

11-10-2011, 01:50 PM

I have to agree with CRZwaco here!

No use just dishing out + rep all the time, what's the use then?

Somewhere along the way, we're all going to sit at maximum rep, and the entire karma thing will be useless...

You at maximum rep? That'll be the day :p

Fabio

11-10-2011, 01:54 PM

You at maximum rep? That'll be the day :p

I'm gonna - rep you for that! :p

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 01:58 PM

Right kids ... back to TK. Murph is getting lonely :D

matt

11-10-2011, 01:58 PM

So.... I used Pr⊕phet's rep-lookup hack to discover the giver of some contentious -rep for me was in fact *drumroll* ... Pr⊕phet! LOL

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 01:59 PM

So.... I used Pr⊕phet's rep-lookup hack to discover the giver of some contentious -rep for me was in fact *drumroll* ... Pr⊕phet! LOLlol, no hack, I do software engineering for a living...

matt

11-10-2011, 02:05 PM

lol, no hack, I do software engineering for a living...

LOL, me too, ok so hack's the wrong word, maybe source lookup trick thingy :D. Funny that they put the user id in the html though. Doesn't seem to be any reason for it to be there, except so you can look up what user repped you if you know where to look... It's not like it's in the link or anything

James

11-10-2011, 03:43 PM

Personally I prefer the 'Thumbs Up/Down' system that happens per post but I would gather that would need a more extensive forum overhaul.

Those sort of things are achieved through plugins, but we steer clear of vB plugins because they tend to break the forum.

One day you update vB and suddenly a plugin creates a huge security hole or breaks everything, and that would not be acceptable.

So, we're working with what's officially supported by vB.

Seems like anonymity is the main problem here, and that makes sense. There should no avenue for any member to anonymously attack another.

Update: Okay, so now you should be able to see who left reputation comments in your User CP. Try and avoid a riot over this :)

Fabio

11-10-2011, 03:57 PM

@ James you're a legend bro!

Caught syco red handed - rep'ing me! ROFL

+1 reps James lol

tpex

11-10-2011, 03:58 PM

Prophet you bastard! :p

Murph

11-10-2011, 04:00 PM

Jissus - Tsar.... what a dick! :rolleyes: :p

Fabio

11-10-2011, 04:13 PM

Bwahahahahaha!

Let the flame wars begin... :D

James

11-10-2011, 04:27 PM

Can you guys actually give me a mix of positive and negative rep; I'm testing out the mathematics behind the system to see if I can get it balanced. Everyone should be dishing out -1 / +1 rep now.

Fabio

11-10-2011, 04:39 PM

/-1 rep james :p

Avatar

11-10-2011, 04:45 PM

/-1 rep james :p

Well, I gave him +1 to balance :p

Graal

11-10-2011, 04:46 PM

+rep to James. SOMEONE EVEN THE BALANCE.

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 04:49 PM

aaaw now my sith trix to see rep is all but redundant :mad:

/neg rep james :mad:

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 04:50 PM

@ James you're a legend bro!

Caught syco red handed - rep'ing me! ROFL

+1 reps James lol

I've only been -repped once ... and I know it was Syco ...

And now it's +1/-1 ... damn ... shoulda nailed him when I got the chance :D

Graal

11-10-2011, 04:53 PM

I've only been -repped once ... and I know it was Syco ...

And now it's +1/-1 ... damn ... shoulda nailed him when I got the chance :D

Psst, Shadow. You interested in an alliance? +rep me and I'll also -rep Syco, so it's -2 that way. :D

Murph

11-10-2011, 04:56 PM

Psst, Shadow. You interested in an alliance? +rep me and I'll also -rep Syco, so it's -2 that way. :D

Hahaha, man this can get so out of hand.

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 04:59 PM

Psst, Shadow. You interested in an alliance? +rep me and I'll also -rep Syco, so it's -2 that way. :DHow about tri-partied alliance :)

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 05:01 PM

How about tri-partied alliance :)

Haha ... maybe we can bribe James to reset the settings quickly ... all nail Syco, and then get it back to the new set. Should bump him down 30+ points. After all, revenge is only really sweet when you do more damage in return :D

Graal

11-10-2011, 05:02 PM

How about tri-partied alliance :)

That could work, we all +rep each other and then -rep Syco. :P

Murph

11-10-2011, 05:02 PM

Quad alliance. We should be able to get him down to level 1.

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 05:04 PM

lol ... damn ... why not get the whole forum involved :p

James ... just look what you started :D

Murph

11-10-2011, 05:05 PM

lol ... damn ... why not get the whole forum involved :p

Well if you guys where going for a stealthy approach, you failed. :p

shadowfox

11-10-2011, 05:07 PM

Well if you guys where going for a stealthy approach, you failed. :p

Well? What could he do to retaliate. -1 rep us all? :D

Murph

11-10-2011, 05:10 PM

Well? What could he do to retaliate. -1 rep us all? :D

You're right, the sooner we get this octo-alliance up and running the better.

13 pages... good grief.

czc

11-10-2011, 05:10 PM

Well? What could he do to retaliate. -1 rep us all? :D

Would the forum allow that?

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 05:13 PM

Would the forum allow that?He might have a point, lets test on czc first :)

Fabio

11-10-2011, 05:16 PM

lol ... damn ... why not get the whole forum involved :p

James ... just look what you started :D

Count me in! :D

czc

11-10-2011, 05:34 PM

Yip, karma moves up by one now.

Murph

11-10-2011, 05:39 PM

Yip, karma moves up by one now.

Quickly check if it moves down my one.

James

11-10-2011, 05:58 PM

Great; seems everything is working smoothly. People are only able to give +1 / -1 rep now and we can see who left messages.

I'll post the full system in a moment, just writing it up.

sycogrim

11-10-2011, 06:02 PM

Great; seems everything is working smoothly. People are only able to give +1 / -1 rep now and we can see who left messages.

I'll post the full system in a moment, just writing it up.

Damn you ruin the fun in seniority!! :p

/hobbles back to TK :D

James

11-10-2011, 06:13 PM

Damn you ruin the fun in seniority!! :p

/hobbles back to TK :D

Heheh. I think the idea here is that everyone is treated as equals. Except for me with ultimate POOOOOOWWWWAAAAHHH!

Your seniority is reflected in your post count :D

James

11-10-2011, 06:33 PM

Reputation system updated and explained (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/18800-Reputation-system-explained) - reposted here.

Due to a lack of clarity and abuse issues regarding the reputation system, I have revised how it works.

Here are the new mechanics of the reputation system.

Everyone has +1 / -1 rep giving power; from new members to senior. There will be no incremental reputation giving perks awarded for being a long time member, having a high reputation, etc.

Reputation votes are no longer anonymous to cut out abuse. Comments left under reputation are subject to the standard MyGaming forum rules (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/318-MyGaming-Forum-rules).

This is the most fair system IMO; everyone is treated equally, it will be difficult/time consuming to abuse the system, and reputation will be a closer reflection on one's participation in the MyGaming community.

Try not to take it too seriously, it's just a fun feature that really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. If problems crop up related to the reputation system, such as some members being mistreated due to their low/high reputation, I'll simply turn it off.

Reputation system mechanics

Default Reputation: What reputation level new users receive upon registration

10

Reputation Undefined: If any user gains a reputation that exceeds the lowest negative level (-50), then this phrase will be used for them.

User is off the scale.

Administrator's Reputation Power: How many reputation points an administrator gives or take away with each click? This cannot be set for mods who follow the same rules as everyone else.

5

Register Date Factor: For every X number of days, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.

Disabled

Post Count Factor: For every X number of posts, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.

Disabled

Reputation Point Factor: For every X points of reputation, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.

Disabled

Minimum Post Count: How many posts a user must have before their reputation hits count on others.

25

Minimum Reputation Count: How much reputation a user must have before their reputation hits count on others.

1

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit: How many reputation clicks a user can give over each 24 hour period. Administrators are exempt from this limit.

Disabled

Reputation User Spread: How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again. Administrators are exempt from this limit.

15

Please do not send me PM/e-mail/start an online petition regarding these settings.

As always, abuse will be handled swiftly by the mods and admin. If you have a problem, send one of us a PM. We can see everything that has transpired and there is no covering your tracks >:]

Your friendly MyGaming moderating team consists of James (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/member.php/2809-James), Dan (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/member.php/69-Dan), and qornea (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/member.php/6922-qornea).

At a later stage (when I have some spare time) I think I'd like to revise the messages that pop up regarding user levels to reflect the slower progress of accumulating reputation. An open forum competition to suggest user ranks sounds like fun. I'll keep you posted on that.

Please direct all feedback to the active thread discussing the reputation system (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/10985-Karma-system-incoming!/page14).

Have fun!

Graal

11-10-2011, 06:47 PM

And now, I officially instate myself as the official Reputation Mafia Lord. :p

I will need 8 lackeys to help with the distribution of rep to customers. Sign up below.

How it works;

-Members can contact me via PM to request rep, and tell me what they can offer in return (this can include things like a steady supply of rep to be distributed between me and my lackeys, or agreeing with me in forum debates/discussions)
-If you have a grudge against someone, contact me to negotiate a hit on them (-rep them)
-After a deal has been made, I will order my lackeys to distribute +rep or -rep as per the agreement.
-If it is found that the agreement is not being honored from the customer's side, I will deal with them at my discretion. You respect me, and I'll respect you.
-All rep given or taken has to be cleared with me first. If somebody gives or takes rep from you and you suspect it was not cleared with me first, send me proof via PM, and I'll send Tony and Frankie to...deal with them. Anybody who turns in a perpetrator will be handsomely rewarded.

Any questions?

tpex

11-10-2011, 06:49 PM

Sorry James I got a bit carried away when you offered the free punch... :o

Oh and taking applications to join the Karma Yakuza ;)

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 06:49 PM

Thanks James :)

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

James

11-10-2011, 06:51 PM

Hmmm, I thought the criminal underworld thrived on working out of the sight of the law :cool:

Pr⊕phet

11-10-2011, 06:54 PM

Hmmm, I thought the criminal underworld thrived on working out of the sight of the law :cool:

We are pulling the strings ;)

We are always watching...

Sent from the MyGaming iPhone App

Graal

11-10-2011, 06:55 PM

Hmmm, I thought the criminal underworld thrived on working out of the sight of the law :cool:

For all you know, this might just be a cover for something even bigger. :p

Sorry James I got a bit carried away when you offered the free punch... :o

Oh and taking applications to join the Karma Yakuza ;)

Oh, you wish to start a rival gang? There can be only one. If gang violence is the only way to resolve the issue, so be it!

tpex

11-10-2011, 09:02 PM

Oh, you wish to start a rival gang? There can be only one. If gang violence is the only way to resolve the issue, so be it!
Gang Violence? Hahaha I bribe the mods to do my dirty work :cool:

Tsar

11-10-2011, 10:06 PM

Who wants to join the kGB of rep :)

Weasley

11-10-2011, 11:12 PM

And the rep wars begins and defeats the point of rep system

And now, I officially instate myself as the official Reputation Mafia Lord. :p

I will need 8 lackeys to help with the distribution of rep to customers. Sign up below.

How it works;

-Members can contact me via PM to request rep, and tell me what they can offer in return (this can include things like a steady supply of rep to be distributed between me and my lackeys, or agreeing with me in forum debates/discussions)
-If you have a grudge against someone, contact me to negotiate a hit on them (-rep them)
-After a deal has been made, I will order my lackeys to distribute +rep or -rep as per the agreement.
-If it is found that the agreement is not being honored from the customer's side, I will deal with them at my discretion. You respect me, and I'll respect you.
-All rep given or taken has to be cleared with me first. If somebody gives or takes rep from you and you suspect it was not cleared with me first, send me proof via PM, and I'll send Tony and Frankie to...deal with them. Anybody who turns in a perpetrator will be handsomely rewarded.

Any questions?

Hmmm, I thought the criminal underworld thrived on working out of the sight of the law :cool:

Gang Violence? Hahaha I bribe the mods to do my dirty work :cool:

Who wants to join the kGB of rep :)

MOnk

12-10-2011, 12:18 AM

And the rep wars begins and defeats the point of rep system
You understand they are joking and that you could have done this before the change anyway.

shadowfox

12-10-2011, 07:16 AM

And the rep wars begins and defeats the point of rep system

I believe a sense of humour is now a solid requirement in order to keep following this thread. A bucket of salt may also help :D

Fabio

12-10-2011, 08:45 AM

I believe a sense of humour is now a solid requirement in order to keep following this thread. A bucket of salt may also help :D

Bwahahaha!

Eish some people... :D

sycogrim

12-10-2011, 10:55 AM

Hey James what are the various levels we can achieve to?? :D

shadowfox

12-10-2011, 11:35 AM

Hey James what are the various levels we can achieve to?? :D

I think we should name the lowest level "sycogrim impersonator" :D

sycogrim

12-10-2011, 11:57 AM

I think we should name the lowest level "sycogrim impersonator" :D

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool Well everyone wants to be like me :p

James

12-10-2011, 12:35 PM

Hey James what are the various levels we can achieve to?? :D

I'll post the current levels when I get a moment. I think they could be changed; more added and funny titles added etc.

Crzwaco

12-10-2011, 03:27 PM

Must say I miss my title of humankinds last savior from Fallout.

James

12-10-2011, 06:22 PM

Must say I miss my title of humankinds last savior from Fallout.

Yeah, some fun gaming related titles like that would be awesome.

James

12-10-2011, 06:42 PM

Below are the current level settings; I think these are the default in vB. The number is the reputation level at which you will have that message when someone hovers over your reputation.

We can consider adding more; we must keep in mind the new system of +1 / -1 and the gap in between levels. The current system was probably based on the exponential system of reputation where users were able to award and take away more as their reputation grew.

User is nothing more than a troll, do not feed

-50

User does not play well with others

-10

User is known to have troll like tendencies, but there is still hope

0

User is an unknown quantity at this point

10

User is off to a good start (level 1)

20

User has established themself as rather nice (level 2)

30

User is bi-winning (level 3)

70

User is an invaluable asset (level 4)

120

User is the heart and soul of MyGaming (level 5)

250

User is a name known to all

550

User is a splendid one to behold

650

User has much to be proud of

1000

User has a brilliant future

1500

User has a reputation beyond repute

2000

MOnk

12-10-2011, 11:07 PM

tbh I think the word troll is overused and it's used more of as a random insult than actually describing someone's behaviour. I've been called a troll numerous times because of anything from having a different viewpoint to pointing out an oversized signature. So it seems harsh to officially label people as trolls based on a few bad reps.

Graal

13-10-2011, 12:33 AM

But that's the beauty of it. If someone achieves troll status, it's because they deserve it. With anonymity gone, if someone gives you -rep for no good reason, you know who it is, and it can be reported. The rep system is no longer as open to abuse as it was.

Graal

15-10-2011, 01:00 PM

Dude, you've only got one post. :/

Pr⊕phet

15-10-2011, 01:16 PM

wtf happened not mr no 1 ? banned ? blue intervention ?

Graal

15-10-2011, 02:35 PM

Actually I was here before you.

Did you create a second account then?

wtf happened not mr no 1 ? banned ? blue intervention ?

/me hits Prophet with a stick

Make sense, damn you, make sense!

:P

Pr⊕phet

16-10-2011, 07:05 AM

Lol, just asking. You know as well as I do any mentioning or pointing out to " the saga " result in removal.

Not sure how exactly I would benefit from getting you kicked in first place. Besides I actually didn't involve myself in those tiresome events as you very well should know.

Now you can start bbgame ;)

:edit
I prefer greasemonky and abp.

Graal

16-10-2011, 09:12 AM

I'm confused. What's going on? Did I join after the saga or did I miss it?

tpex

16-10-2011, 01:33 PM

Yes

Think that's code for saying I wasn't banned by anyone on this forum but rather the big chief from the other forum. I suspected it was Kage that told him but now I'm thinking it might have been Prophet. So nice when the real people with a vendetta show their true colors hey!

Look it's simple. You can keep on banning until we're at Prometheus1000000 and both dead from old age. Rudolph will tell you I'll keep coming back. Or you can get rid of me. I never cared for Rudolph's second forum, seems the old one isn't bringing in enough money any more, they now even have to resort to advertising it on every other forum I visit. Wonder why... :rolleyes: Luckily Opera's content blocker is magic. I only came here to see which of my old mybb buddies were here. Didn't find any so interest waned. Everything seems so artificial, not the magic spark that mybb had at one time. I say had as in past tense in case there's any confusion.

All I want is for everyone to know who my attacker is. Common decency I have the same right as everybody else now has. Really pathetic when you repeatedly get attacked by an anonymous coward simply for having a sig.

@Graal: It's simple. Ever since a bunch of us left mybb and started our own forum Rudolph has had it in for us even going so far as to send some of us legal threats. But the real kicker was when it just started off and he included bblounge in the swearword filter to much amusement and embarrassment.

You see ever since I started posting here I got attacked simply for having the link to the site in my sig with the person(s) pretty much telling me to just fuck off. I have every right to know who this person is and I'm sure any reasonable person will agree as I don't want to cast around accusations against somebody who might be innocent.

It wouldn't have been a problem but then somebody decided to get his revenge after I informed his forum he bought a new logo. Oops, seems he forgot to do that himself. I never did anything wrong to get banned. Just like I was banned from mybb more than 2 years after making my last post. Nontheless I am perfectly willing to fuck off and let Rudolph stick this forum back up his arse.

Or I can stay. Admins choice.
Oh BB lounge, LOL oh LOL, Now I know why

Mephisto_Helix

16-10-2011, 01:40 PM

Yeah, they are a pretty lame bunch

MOnk

16-10-2011, 03:55 PM

Wait you left a forum, to go and create your own rival forum. This is some serious stuff here.

Anonymous

16-10-2011, 03:57 PM

@Prometheus3, what was the basis of Rudolph's legal threats and what became of it?

tpex

16-10-2011, 05:55 PM

Wait you left a forum, to go and create your own rival forum. This is some serious stuff here.
Could be a Micheal Bay movie script somewhere in there...

sycogrim

19-10-2011, 08:33 AM

I think this thread is getting outta hand especially from Prometheus derailing it entirely. From what I see this was supposed to be a conversation regarding the Karma rewards program/system for the site and instead it ended up having conversations regarding certain legalities and what happened in the past. :confused:

Prometheus if you guys want to have these discussions take it to PM or leave, it doesn't belong in here nor does it have any relevance to the current topic at hand on here.

Graal

20-10-2011, 05:32 PM

Heh, ever since the new system got employed, I haven't received a single -rep. Used to be I got a lot of useless and arbitrary -rep on a weekly basis.

James

20-10-2011, 06:39 PM

Veil of anonymity removed; people stop to think about their actions. What a surprise :rolleyes:

Pr⊕phet

20-10-2011, 08:16 PM

Heh, ever since the new system got employed, I haven't received a single -rep. Used to be I got a lot of useless and arbitrary -rep on a weekly basis.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Graal again. So I can't neg rep you yet :mad:

James

20-10-2011, 08:25 PM

I can always -5 you guys if you're feeling left out of the negative rep party.

HoboMincer

20-10-2011, 09:12 PM

I like the Current karma system. It is fun. I don't think negative rep should be disabled. although, then we will pretty much just have a "like *thumb up*" system. Which works well enough for facebook and G+ etc. So I don't see why it couldn't potentially work here. But I do think negative rep is essential. You can't have Light without Dark, Good without Evil, Yin without Yang etc.

HoboMincer

20-10-2011, 09:23 PM

Also, the way people with more rep have more pull in what happens is decent. Then it isn't like someone can just create two accounts and rep themselves into a Mygaming Mother Teresa saintlike status.

James

20-10-2011, 10:58 PM

Hobo, you should read this :) - http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/18800-Reputation-system-explained

tpex

21-10-2011, 01:00 AM

I miss my massive [-]epeen[/-] Rep :(

edit:

epeen
<strike>epeen</strike>
<s>epeen</s>

:mad:
Y U no have strikeout? :(

Pr⊕phet

21-10-2011, 05:48 AM

I miss my massive [-]epeen[/-] Rep :(

edit:

epeen
<strike>epeen</strike>
<s>epeen</s>

:mad:
Y U no have strikeout? :( Young Padawans are not allowed to use something that powerful *erm*

Graal

21-10-2011, 08:35 AM

Dude, Prometheus, seriously. I'm not even sure what your entire tiff is about, but this is really getting ridiculous. Just drop it. Your inability to drop something so trivial really isn't doing you any favors.

James

21-10-2011, 10:19 AM

Don't feed the troll.

XeroS1x

22-10-2011, 11:34 PM

Nee, too much aggression around at the moment. :/

Calm down guys, we are all here for the same reason more or less. Fighting over frivolous things is going to get us nowhere but neg repped.

Fivel

26-10-2011, 07:28 AM

Graal, this is simple. You have the right to see who attacks you then so do I. If someone attacks you wouldn't you want to know who it is? Of course you would. The only thing trivial here is how someone would attack someone else over a sig. The mods and admins can settle this, they however choose not to. Guess I won't be leaving then.

Prom, it really looks like you have a personal beef with RPM and a number of folks and you want to use MYG as a platform. By doing so you manage to pretty much 'stuff up' all forums you are involved in.

This is a gaming forum, keep it to gaming or leave. I for one have frankly had a gutsful of you. You are nothing more than a negative and destructive individual.

tpex

26-10-2011, 10:52 AM

People should be more giving with their karma, I give it away like +1 you have on other forums.

James

26-10-2011, 04:14 PM

People should be more giving with their karma, I give it away like +1 you have on other forums.

The new implementation is more conducive to that sort of thing. I don't think many people bothered to even read how the reputation thing works :P

Graal

26-10-2011, 07:59 PM

Also, just like on HelloPeter, people always have time to complain, but never take the time to compliment.

Lycanthrope

26-10-2011, 08:09 PM

Also, just like on HelloPeter, people always have time to complain, but never take the time to compliment.

Says the little troll with two bars worth of karma :p

MOnk

26-10-2011, 08:15 PM

Also, just like on HelloPeter, people always have time to complain, but never take the time to compliment.
Aye, it's true though. 1000 people get great service from a place and you never hear about it, one person gets lousy service and they'll shout it to anyone who will listen.

Pr⊕phet

26-10-2011, 09:17 PM

Also, just like on HelloPeter, people always have time to complain, but never take the time to compliment.one lank awfull syndication to rip-off companies.

Graal

26-10-2011, 09:23 PM

one lank awfull syndication to rip-off companies.

Indeed, I was boring Lycanthrope with why I think HelloPeter has some really shady business practices earlier today. I think it's totally unfair to label a company as not responding simply because they don't want to pay money for the petty complaints some people leave on their. It's downright extortionate, in my opinion.

Dan

27-10-2011, 09:59 AM

Let's play nice, please.

sycogrim

28-10-2011, 12:06 PM

May we please get notifications for when rep gets given?? :)

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 12:37 PM

lol hurdur fail. I don't think the troll know it's not anonymous anymore

Thread: Karma system incoming!
Disapprove of the comment on my rep. "need to go out and get laid." Real mature to pick on someones sex life

29-10-2011 11:48 AM
Hurdur

nice return dude. seems he's out on a witch hunt to neg rep all who has given him neg reg :D

Mephisto_Helix

30-10-2011, 02:07 PM

So who said the "need to go out and get laid" comment with a neg rep?

Because whoever that was is a real lame troll .......

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 02:10 PM

So who said the "need to go out and get laid" comment with a neg rep?

Because whoever that was is a real lame troll .......tounge-in-cheek if you ever heard about that, besides you know as well as I do we all troll from time to time, but imho you pretty much rank up in the lame ladder ;)

Mephisto_Helix

30-10-2011, 03:08 PM

Tongue in cheek belongs in threads where people can get the gist of it ...... taking it anonymous shows a different level of person.

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 03:24 PM

Tongue in cheek belongs in threads where people can get the gist of it ...... taking it anonymous shows a different level of person.serious, comprehension lack ? :confused:

I forgot serious first above all else, right.

Mephisto_Helix

30-10-2011, 03:58 PM

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 04:03 PM

Ok, let's go layman ........ that you said what you did via being anonymous (when it still was) - did it elicit the same response that it would have gotten in a public thread or not? Judging by him 'taking countermeasures' I'd guess he took it for what it was, a personal attack.

Was it done when it was still anonymous?

It never was anonymous, anyone like me that went view source applied some IQ could see who the repper was ;)

Getting back to your reply:
After getting back and posing as an angel he proceeded to neg rep graal for nothing as being an ass, I was next after that which says to me a pattern is forming, hence reason for linking it here. He obviously is going down the list for some odd reason out of hurt or whatever his emotional connection is.

Next time I'd write up an easy grade 12 line that no-one can mistake for joking over forgetting we are dealing with the mxit/twilight/emo generation who seems to see all as an attack, like you seem to do these days coming out of the BF 3 launch thread throwing toys that we were a dick were in fact we were stating the facts as wel as coming in here all guns blazing doing yet the same over nothing.

:edit
Need to get TK ?

Mephisto_Helix

30-10-2011, 04:36 PM

It's pointless trying to get you to see the point I'm making ........ just goes right over the head of comprehending it. Less essay like replies, more thinking so that you get points?

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 05:13 PM

It's pointless trying to get you to see the point I'm making ........ just goes right over the head of comprehending it. Less essay like replies, more thinking so that you get points?Oh dear...

Hurdur

30-10-2011, 05:38 PM

lol hurdur fail. I don't think the troll know it's not anonymous anymore

nice return dude. seems he's out on a witch hunt to neg rep all who has given him neg reg :D

Hi Prophet, I am aware that the comments are no longer anonymous, otherwise how else would I have known that I need to return the neg rep to you? In your effort to act smart, you just ended up looking like a fool. You took no shame in leaving the comment that you did, so I do not believe I have any reason to be nice to you. You are just as much of a troll as me.

Pr⊕phet

30-10-2011, 05:40 PM

Hi Prophet, You are just as much of a troll as me.Thank you, do you want to sit on troll chair left or troll chair right ? ( main throne is occupied at moment ).

Hurdur

30-10-2011, 05:57 PM

You are aware that you just paraphrased, and thus the "quote" that you just used in your post is not really a quote at all. It's just another fine art of trolling.

To illustrate, imagine this was posted:
"My mom was killed in an horrific accident. Thankfully I have wonderful friends. They are the light. A reason to smile"

but when you quoted me, you chose to stick in this:

"My mom was killed in an horrific accident. A reason to smile"

Proof that you are an extreme troll, and deserve the main throne

James

30-10-2011, 06:15 PM

This thread has been successfully derailed. Can you guys settle your personal disputes via PM?

tpex

30-10-2011, 09:41 PM

Banning would work better IMHO, Trolls just keep on trolling...

MOnk

12-11-2011, 06:10 PM

29-10-2011 11:44 AM
Hurdur
Thread: Karma system incoming! (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/10985-Karma-system-incoming!?p=561844#post561844)
Returning the negative rep you gave to me.

09-11-2011 08:02 PM
Hurdur
Thread: World of Warcraft is... (http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php/20443-World-of-Warcraft-is-down-2-million-subscribers?p=578409#post578409)
I don't agree with you. SWTOR will pwn this

Goodness Hudur could you be any more childish or troll like? You don't prove to people you're not a troll by trolling them.

*edit* Also don't say you weren't trolling since the only contribution to the thread was to neg rep me.

tpex

13-11-2011, 12:59 AM

Hurdur

13-11-2011, 09:13 AM

Goodness Hudur could you be any more childish or troll like? You don't prove to people you're not a troll by trolling them.

*edit* Also don't say you weren't trolling since the only contribution to the thread was to neg rep me.

I didn't agree with your statement so I neg repped. That is the function of the neg rep feature. If you dislike what you see. You neg it. Also, I disagreed with what you initially neg repped me for so I negged you straight back. Its really simple, neg me, and I will neg you back. Also, James stated that we should settle these disputes via PM, so please PM if you have an issue. I don't want to be the cause of derailing this thread again.

Graal

13-11-2011, 11:50 AM

Pr⊕phet

13-11-2011, 11:57 AM

Guys, Hurdur isn't going to stop trolling if you keep giving him attention. He adds nothing of worth to this forum, and has made it quite clear that his only intent is to troll, despite always claiming otherwise. If you feel a particular neg-rep is unwarranted, report it to the mods. Don't draw attention to it, because that's all Hurdur wants.

http://mygaming.co.za/forum/images/reputation/reputation_neg.pnghttp://mygaming.co.za/forum/images/reputation/reputation_neg.pnghttp://mygaming.co.za/forum/images/reputation/reputation_neg.png

MOnk

13-11-2011, 06:15 PM

I didn't agree with your statement so I neg repped. That is the function of the neg rep feature. If you dislike what you see. You neg it.
Then you completely fail to understand the point of the reputation system. It's their to encourage good forum behaviour. If you disagree with a statement made by someone then you respond to that statement saying why you disagree. This is the point of a forum, for people to discuss topics and voice their opinions.

I hear what you are saying Graal about feeding the troll but I felt it was worth pointing this out just as a clear example of how not to use the reputation system. Also you can't just let trolls have free reign either, if no-one says anything then they just keep doing what they do. :)

Mephisto_Helix

13-11-2011, 07:57 PM

It's better to neg rep someone it seems than have a debate, the backbone of a forum. Which is sad because lively debate can be awesome .......

Solitude

13-11-2011, 08:26 PM

There's something wrong with the forum's karma system. I think it may have a bug... It's saying that Mephiso_Helix has established himself as rather nice. :wtf: :p

Mephisto_Helix

13-11-2011, 08:41 PM

Lol, yeah must be bugged :p

cheeky bugger :D

Graal

13-11-2011, 08:49 PM

Also you can't just let trolls have free reign either, if no-one says anything then they just keep doing what they do. :)

You can, actually. Seeing as his rep is in the red, it isn't worth anything, so doesn't deduct from your rep. :P

shadowfox

14-11-2011, 07:19 AM

I didn't agree with your statement so I neg repped. That is the function of the neg rep feature. If you dislike what you see. You neg it. Also, I disagreed with what you initially neg repped me for so I negged you straight back. Its really simple, neg me, and I will neg you back. Also, James stated that we should settle these disputes via PM, so please PM if you have an issue. I don't want to be the cause of derailing this thread again.

Neg repping someone for disagreeing with you? You really think that's the function of the system? 0.o

If you neg rep someone for simply not agreeing with you - all you are basically doing is telling everyone that their opinion doesn't matter and that you believe you are always right. That's really not what it is there for.

It's simple - if someone does something wrong - like flaming, or being a general prick towards other people, or trolling, or attacking posters, or posting something really really stupid, then that deserves a neg rep. Neg repping people for disagreeing with you stifles debate, and that is the backbone of any forum.

Unless of course you like threads that start with an op and everyone just agrees with it for the next 10 posts until it dies.

And neg repping someone for neg repping you first seems ... y'know ... a bit childish. A bit like a kids' fight in the back seat: "But mommy, he hit me first!!! *WAIL*"

James

14-11-2011, 10:56 AM

Maybe the reputation system is too divisive since there are so many fights about it.

Deceptor

14-11-2011, 11:00 AM

Maybe remove the negative rep side of the system?

Hraffnir

14-11-2011, 11:08 AM

Maybe the reputation system (http://serwis-tv.com/strojenie.html) is too divisive since there are so many fights about it.

I still think the reputation system is fine, it's just people like Hurdur don't understand how to use it. Or maybe he does, but doesn't care, which isn't much of a problem since he already has a negative reputation and can't deduct other peoples rep.

I'm also a victim of his neg-rep rampage, but it doesn't bother me cause it didn't do anything, except make me aware of the fact that he really is a troll. So I welcomed him to my ignore list. :D

MOnk

14-11-2011, 02:59 PM

I think the system as it is, is fine since now you don't have anonymity and one example of misuse is hardly a good reason to scrap the whole thing. :)

Weasley

14-11-2011, 03:23 PM

only thing i would add is after lots of neg reps you get auto banned. like -1000 points or something like that. aka you really have bean trolling like a mad man.

tpex

14-11-2011, 05:46 PM

Maybe the reputation system is too divisive since there are so many fights about it.
The only fights are with trolls, and it has been well established who they are...

Graal

14-11-2011, 06:15 PM

The only fights are with trolls, and it has been well established who they are...

Nah, there are quite a few fights behind the scenes. :P

Also, lots of people drag neg-rep into discussions because they're butthurt by it. Happens at least a few times a week.

Fivel

14-11-2011, 09:45 PM

Maybe the reputation system is too divisive since there are so many fights about it.

Maybe we should all dial down our sensitives and up our sense of humor!

Hurdur

14-11-2011, 10:12 PM

Maybe we should all dial down our sensitives and up our sense of humor!

Maybe you should've done that when you went to meatspin.

Graal

14-11-2011, 10:15 PM

Maybe you should've done that when you went to meatspin.

Wow... If that isn't a clear indication of trolling, then I don't know.

Hurdur

14-11-2011, 10:17 PM

Nah, there are quite a few fights behind the scenes. :P

Also, lots of people drag neg-rep into discussions because they're butthurt by it. Happens at least a few times a week.

Agree, everyone here who I neg rep seems really butthurt about it. Well let me tell you something guys, I didn't neg you to butthurt you. I negged you because you guys were talking garbage. If you are feeling butthurt about it then I apologize. Just try to not be so butthurt in the future okay? Because this isn't real life. It's just a forum. No more butthurting one another. Try headhurting. Or maybe even nosehurt. But no more butthurting.

Graal

14-11-2011, 10:35 PM

Agree, everyone here who I neg rep seems really butthurt about it. Well let me tell you something guys, I didn't neg you to butthurt you. I negged you because you guys were talking garbage. If you are feeling butthurt about it then I apologize. Just try to not be so butthurt in the future okay? Because this isn't real life. It's just a forum. No more butthurting one another. Try headhurting. Or maybe even nosehurt. But no more butthurting.

Dude, nobody gives a shit when you neg-rep them, because your rep counts for nothing. Everybody is merely pointing out and becoming increasingly aware of the fact that you're just here to troll.

Hurdur

14-11-2011, 11:02 PM

Dude, nobody gives a shit when you neg-rep them, because your rep counts for nothing. Everybody is merely pointing out and becoming increasingly aware of the fact that you're just here to troll.

Clearly me mocking your use of the term "butthurt" went over your head. Besides, why are you even replying to me? I thought you weren't going to feed the troll. You say that every time, and yet somehow you still end up talking about/to me.

Graal

14-11-2011, 11:12 PM

Clearly me mocking your use of the term "butthurt" went over your head. Besides, why are you even replying to me? I thought you weren't going to feed the troll. You say that every time, and yet somehow you still end up talking about/to me.

Actually, it didn't. I just found it the fact that you're actively mocking people now as too trollish to really take note of. It would appear now that the majority of people are aware of the fact that you're a troll, you no longer care to hide behind false pretenses and honeyed words, but instead troll openly. I'd be genuinely surprised if you're around for much longer, to be honest.

Hurdur

14-11-2011, 11:26 PM

Actually, it didn't. I just found it the fact that you're actively mocking people now as too trollish to really take note of. It would appear now that the majority of people are aware of the fact that you're a troll, you no longer care to hide behind false pretenses and honeyed words, but instead troll openly. I'd be genuinely surprised if you're around for much longer, to be honest.

You're derailing the thread. Would you kindly settle any issues or personal disputes via PM? We need to be more considerate of other users. Thanks

Graal

14-11-2011, 11:30 PM

You're derailing the thread. Would you kindly settle any issues or personal disputes via PM? We need to be more considerate of other users. Thanks

Oh, lol. You're not even making any kind of effort to troll anymore.

/places Hurdur firmly back on the ignore list.

DenSweeP

15-11-2011, 02:42 PM

I actually have forgotten about the rep system for months and then every now and then when I'm fiddling with settings, I see it there and laugh my ass off at the neg rep comments. Really amusing to see people get therir panties in a bunch over a post and then neg rep me.

Hurdur

15-11-2011, 07:37 PM

I actually think it's ridiculous when users neg rep me, and then kick up a fuss when I return the neg rep they gave me. If you want to be so impulsive and hit the neg rep button, the least you can do is read the message that comes up afterward. The one that says "Thanks for adding reputation to this user. May you be lucky enough to receive the same Reputation back in turn."

You should consider yourself lucky that you are receiving the same Reputation back from me instead of complaining about how unjust it was to have received such a rep from me! It really is as simple as that.

Lycanthrope

15-11-2011, 07:50 PM

Fivel

15-11-2011, 08:31 PM

You're still here? Most people can take a hint. I'm guessing you're a little hard of learning.

Are you ready for your incoming neg rep ;)

Hurdur

15-11-2011, 08:39 PM

You're still here? Most people can take a hint. I'm guessing you're a little hard of learning.

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk :) Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

Although, according to some users, "I'm not even trolling intelligently anymore." Every time that user has no come back he tells me that. I can count the number of the number of times that "I haven't been trolling intelligently anymore."
Also, that user also tells every other user to report me to James if they feel I'm trolling. For everything, report him to James. Because obviously James has nothing better to do with his time than deal with the vendetta one user has against me.

And it all started why? Because I chose to use the nickname that HE had been using to troll the comments section of this site. From trolling to being trolled. And then he makes it seem like he's such an innocent angel. At every argument, he's there to cause a scene. And then suddenly everyone else become the trolls.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here :) And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

Weasley

15-11-2011, 10:03 PM

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk :) Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

Although, according to some users, "I'm not even trolling intelligently anymore." Every time that user has no come back he tells me that. I can count the number of the number of times that "I haven't been trolling intelligently anymore."
Also, that user also tells every other user to report me to James if they feel I'm trolling. For everything, report him to James. Because obviously James has nothing better to do with his time than deal with the vendetta one user has against me.

And it all started why? Because I chose to use the nickname that HE had been using to troll the comments section of this site. From trolling to being trolled. And then he makes it seem like he's such an innocent angel. At every argument, he's there to cause a scene. And then suddenly everyone else become the trolls.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here :) And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

Are you serious? As seems more you want some1 new to fight with.

Lycanthrope

15-11-2011, 11:19 PM

Are you ready for your incoming neg rep ;)

What he hasn't realised yet is that he can't give or take rep. He's wasting his own time.

If that isn't clear enough to him: Hurdur, your rep is worth shit.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here :) And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

You don't think, perhaps that there is a valid reason apart from your blame-shifting as to why you've been previously banned and why no-one here cares for your nonsense?

Unfortunately, the mods tolerate you. Obviously even shit has a place in the world.

Regardless, I'm outta here. Unlike others in this thread, I have better things to occupy myself with than the local village idiot.

Graal

15-11-2011, 11:24 PM

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk :) Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

Although, according to some users, "I'm not even trolling intelligently anymore." Every time that user has no come back he tells me that. I can count the number of the number of times that "I haven't been trolling intelligently anymore."
Also, that user also tells every other user to report me to James if they feel I'm trolling. For everything, report him to James. Because obviously James has nothing better to do with his time than deal with the vendetta one user has against me.

And it all started why? Because I chose to use the nickname that HE had been using to troll the comments section of this site. From trolling to being trolled. And then he makes it seem like he's such an innocent angel. At every argument, he's there to cause a scene. And then suddenly everyone else become the trolls.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here :) And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

I lol'ed at the sheer ridiculousness of this entire post.

Also, I don't need to convince anyone that you're 'evil', you've done a good enough convincing them that you're a troll yourself.

And no offense, but people with an above average IQ don't post spoilers to games in threads as if they thought it was going to go down well, nor do they cause a shitstorm and create threads about how they're being 'victimized', and much less do they neg-rep people back simply because they neg-repped you for your shit posts.

tpex

15-11-2011, 11:36 PM

Hurder what is your view on the piracy of games and anime?

James

15-11-2011, 11:58 PM

This whole argument is rather silly, isn't it?

I suggest that everyone who has a problem with Hurdur place him on their ignore list and does not interact with him.

I suggest that Hurdur, as a junior member, stop directly antagonizing the senior members. Play the ball, not the man.

Hurdur was banned for an entire month for his spoiler post; and he may or may not have learned a lesson there. If he steps out of line again with a serious offense, he will get banned again.

He isn't being ignored by the mods, he is being watched.

If he truly wants to become a contributing member of MyGaming, then he has a lot of reputation damage to repair, in both senses as it applies here.

This thread remains open because it seems to be functioning like the appendix of the forum for Karma system complaints. Don't let this spill out into other threads.

Hurdur

16-11-2011, 09:55 AM

If that isn't clear enough to him: Hurdur, your rep is worth shit.

Shit has value. One mans trash is another treasure.

Hurder what is your view on the piracy of games and anime?
It's Hurdur. I have a PS3, so piracy isn't an option for me. And anime? Bleach. Definitely. (Also, if you're trying to figure out who I am in real life, then instead of doing so with arbitrary questions about my personal interests, may I suggest you simply PM me so we can reason it out.)

I lol'ed at the sheer ridiculousness of this entire post.

Also, I don't need to convince anyone that you're 'evil', you've done a good enough convincing them that you're a troll yourself.

And no offense, but people with an above average IQ don't post spoilers to games in threads as if they thought it was going to go down well, nor do they cause a shitstorm and create threads about how they're being 'victimized', and much less do they neg-rep people back simply because they neg-repped you for your shit posts.

Why are you talking to me? I thought I was supposed to be on your ignore list. Because as James has mentioned. I have a lot of damage to repair to be considered a contributer here, and if you're constantly going to converse with me, then I'm only going to be baited by you and get myself into more trouble. I can't help it, I'm easily baited by the things you say. It's really not my fault. It's just who I am.

Graal

16-11-2011, 11:00 AM

I'm easily baited by the things you say. It's really not my fault. It's just who I am.

GTFO. I'm not even close to being the picture of a model forum user, but when you're clearly trolling like this, I have no idea how the hell you haven't been banned yet. You have absolutely no intention of redeeming yourself, and you continuously make this clear by continuing to antagonize other members.

My guess is you're aware of the fact that everyone now knows you're a troll, and you no longer care for discretion, so you're just blatantly trolling because you couldn't be arsed otherwise. Seriously, I don't know why I even click to view your posts, because either ours goes right over your head, or you're so intent on trolling, you just couldn't give a shit about them.

Either way, any semblance of discussion we could have had with you is now clearly gone, a it's just going to be responded to by mockery and trolling, so I can safely say that my curiosity won't even get the better of me next time I see a post by you. I won't even have to look to know it's just another attempt at antagonizing other members.

DenSweeP

16-11-2011, 01:05 PM

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk :) Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

...So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here :) And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

If you think that there is only one person here that dislikes you, then, um, I've got some bad news for you...

And then your understanding of the reputation system speaks rather to your lack of IQ than to your self proclaimed "stellar IQ", because to think that you must neg rep someone simply because they gave you neg repuation, well that kind of says it all doesn't it?

You sir are clearly a professional troll out to bait others and create flame wars on this forum. If I had any say, I would vote against you remaining a member of these forums, because your sole intention here is to stir, but fortuantely for you, you have chosen one of the better forums with a very leniant attitude towards trolls and are thus able to get away with these posts, but I suspect that even cucumber cool James' patience is wearing thin...

Hurdur

16-11-2011, 06:02 PM

If you think that there is only one person here that dislikes you, then, um, I've got some bad news for you...

And then your understanding of the reputation system speaks rather to your lack of IQ than to your self proclaimed "stellar IQ", because to think that you must neg rep someone simply because they gave you neg repuation, well that kind of says it all doesn't it?

You sir are clearly a professional troll out to bait others and create flame wars on this forum. If I had any say, I would vote against you remaining a member of these forums, because your sole intention here is to stir, but fortuantely for you, you have chosen one of the better forums with a very leniant attitude towards trolls and are thus abke to get away with these posts, but I suspect that even cucumber cool Jame's patience is wearing thin...

Hey man. I just thought I should tell you that EQ and IQ are two different concepts entirely, negging someone because they negged you first typically falls under ones emotional quotient. Not intelligence quotient.

Also, you misspelled quite a few words. I'll correct them for you: Reputation. Fortunately. Able. Lenient. That typically falls under IQ. I hope I've helped illustrate the difference.

I resent that people call me a troll. What I really am, is someone who gives as good as he gets. Now please, leave me alone. If I really am a troll then are you guys not working yourselves up into a sweat over someone who couldn't be deterred by the things you say? I'm really trying my best to keep it locked down here. But if you all call me out then I am going to retaliate. That's just the way of human beings. Regardless of their status in society.

wheunis

16-11-2011, 07:44 PM

Probably a while late to actually revive this thread back to topic (Thanks Hurdur), but I will try anyway...

Karma, rep, status; Call it whatever you want, it fails on all accounts no matter how good the intention was.
The only thing that it serves is to force people out of their opinions, should it not be the popular vote from everyone else.
As someone else said:

The one other issue I sometimes have is with how the community feels towards and issue, eg piracy. Most of you are against piracy, but say someone were to post a rational discussion of why they are for it, they could be voted down into oblivion even though they have a valid opinion. I know most of you are going to say "Oh, but I would never do that if he has a valid opinion!" Well yes, you wouldn't - but validity would be subjective.

Sadly, it's far more than that. Validity is far more than subjectivity. My opinion, no matter how callous, misinformed, stupid, retarded, heartless, cruel, capitalist, (add more adjectives to your own specifications)...
IS.
MY.
OPINION.

No system of rep is ever appropriate to "demote" people just because of this.

You might be sitting behind your chair and thinking that "Oh, but we moderate them so that it's not abused as such!".
Well you're shit-down wrong and misinformed if that is what you're thinking.

I've already been marked a troll for posting an opinion;
I've already been neg-repped for what the other person perceives as "Completely callow and lacking in empathy. It's just a pity I can't neg-rep you twice" ... Coz I don't agree with their definition of discipline?

And now you want to convince me that these are being moderated with complete distance and objectivity to the topic?!

As always: I will say what nobody else is willing to say.
Screw your system altogether. At least I thoroughly don't give a shit.
There's my opinion - go ahead and negative me for it, proving that its horsecrap through and through...