Xbox 360 VS PS3

[DarkWater]

This was going to happen eventually...so instead of having this running around in other threads we might as well put our rants in this one :p

I'll start... PS3 Sucks! :D

[Info Guy 101]

PS3 FTW and the xbox is sucky :p

[DarkWater]

PS3 FTW and the xbox is sucky :p

lol...sigh...typical fanboy response :p:D

[Ghost02]

http://www.mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=72

[Zakeroph]

This was going to happen eventually...so instead of having this running around in other threads we might as well put our rants in this one :p

I'll start... PS3 Sucks! :D

Now thats not very nice...I'm sure the 3 people that own PS3's are very happy with them, I hear the box it comes in makes a great magazine rack:D

[DarkWater]

There's 2 many of the flame war thread now.....3 already! :confused::confused::eek:

[Zakeroph]

Oh and I'm an all round gamer so i don't really count ^_^

[DarkWater]

Lol, maybe flame wars are better suited for MyBB...the audience here is more mature :rolleyes:

[Voicy]

Right lads, how about drawing up an actual chart with pros vs cons so that eligible buyers can see what they're in for ... instead of just having a peeing contest? :p

[Ghost02]

Awesome movie- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II1eJW9orXY

[Voicy]

Awesome movie- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II1eJW9orXY

A little more info for us BandWidth impaired?

[Ghost02]

A little more info for us BandWidth impaired?

It doesn't use alot of bandwidth :p. I'm going to get flamed probably for posting it though.

[sycogrim]

hey whats this stuff about sony's firmware upgrades causing PS3's to crash and stuff?

[Ghost02]

PS3 Sucks Up Five Times as Much Energy as a Fridge, Ten Times as Much as a Wii
PS3 Costs $247 Per Year to Run

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/ps3-power.jpg

Aussie consumer agency Choice has put together a study of the power consumption of everyday household appliances and, surprise surprise, the leaf blower that is the PS3 comes out at the bottom of the league. Sony's console burns through 31.74 kWh per week when idling, which is five times the energy used by a refrigerator, and ten times the juice sipped by the Wii.

To be fair, a fridge is left on 24/7, whereas a console tends to be switched into standby mode a lot of the time. Those lazy readers who need a little prodding should take note of the costs of leaving their PlayStation running: over a year, it adds up to US$237. Compared to this, the MacBook Pro -- not usually known for running cool -- looks as thirsty as a desert cactus, a using only 3.66 kWh per week; almost one tenth the appetite of the PS3.

So, switching off between sessions could save enough cash to actually buy a Wii. Alternatively, you could put the hot PS3 inside the cold refrigerator and watch as your energy costs spiral out of control, laughing as the ozone layer burns away over your head and the melting ice caps bring the beach to your doorstep. You choose.

[DarkWater]

I guess Eskom just luvvvs the PS3 :)

[Ghost02]

I guess Eskom just luvvvs the PS3 :)

No, load shedding only came when some SA peeps started getting the PS3. Thanks goodness it's not too popular.

[DarkWater]

No, load shedding only came when some SA peeps started getting the PS3. Thanks goodness it's not too popular.

ROFL! ...Yeah I guess that's true :D

[Info Guy 101]

PS3 Sucks Up Five Times as Much Energy as a Fridge, Ten Times as Much as a Wii
PS3 Costs $247 Per Year to Run

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/ps3-power.jpg

Aussie consumer agency Choice has put together a study of the power consumption of everyday household appliances and, surprise surprise, the leaf blower that is the PS3 comes out at the bottom of the league. Sony's console burns through 31.74 kWh per week when idling, which is five times the energy used by a refrigerator, and ten times the juice sipped by the Wii.

To be fair, a fridge is left on 24/7, whereas a console tends to be switched into standby mode a lot of the time. Those lazy readers who need a little prodding should take note of the costs of leaving their PlayStation running: over a year, it adds up to US$237. Compared to this, the MacBook Pro -- not usually known for running cool -- looks as thirsty as a desert cactus, a using only 3.66 kWh per week; almost one tenth the appetite of the PS3.

So, switching off between sessions could save enough cash to actually buy a Wii. Alternatively, you could put the hot PS3 inside the cold refrigerator and watch as your energy costs spiral out of control, laughing as the ozone layer burns away over your head and the melting ice caps bring the beach to your doorstep. You choose.


/yawn

Old news :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware


To date, the PS3 has had several component revisions which serve to reduce power consumption. This in turn results in production savings, lower heat production, lower cooling requirements and quieter running.


PS3 80 GB = 110W

PS3 160 GB = 110W

[The Joker]

Anyway im gonna stick my hand up and say that both consoles have negatives and positives..Im leaning towards x box at the moment because sony lost their sole rights to Tekken..wich is possibly 1 of the biggest fighting game series ever...As far as I know it'll be coming out on xbox 1st..But then again i love kill zone and I can't wait for kill zone 2 and that's a ps3 exclusive!!

So XBOX360 FTW and PS3 FTW

[MrFidget]

PS3 might be a better all round machine... but it hasn't come into its own yet where as I think the 360 has. And it's not like the 360 is a bad machine so for me it's 360 all the way!

[confu3ed]

Another double thread.
MODS please get a hold of these double threads, merge them and sticky ones like these.

[SpoOkie]

PS3 looks better in my room :P (black + blue + purple) I like it's controller more(has a longer battery life) I bought it so i could enjoy Final Fantasy (and btw versus is still a ps3 exclusive) Killzone 2 is coming soon as well as God of War3. It has a built in Blue-ray Player. Movies look awesome. I have a plylist on the thing, plug it into my bigscreen + 7.2 surround sound and viola a nice visualization and great music in the background.

We have a local store. It has wireless :D and the 80GB holds a lot of tv shows for me to watch (my mom hogs the pvr)

[SpoOkie]

Oh and little big planet is AWESOME!

[goswald]

There's always a solution to Xbox vs. PS3... just get both :)

[Eniigma]

* Flame resistant suit-up*
I've never been a big fan of consoles. But recently I have started looking in getting a xbox. For me the big pro for the xbox is the price. Then again the ps3 does have blu-ray. hmm but the R2 000 saving on the xbox means a lot more games...

Xbox wins.

[messiahfg]

PS3 FTW :P

I don't really care. I would obviously say PS3 as I own a PS3. I had an xbox and never really played it.

Every man/girl to their own I always say :P

[gennath]

I think it's rather simple.

After buying my Xbox a while back, I realised Microsoft doesn't give a $%#^ about us down here in SA when it comes to Xbox Live support and many other accessories. Combine that with the notorious probability of the RRoD, and I'll be going for the PS3 next time I have to choose my console.

[S1ght]

If I got given a free xbox 360 *hint* *hint* it might help me make up my mind :p

Although on a more serious note I've only really played on a PS3 so its not that easy to compare for me...If I had the choice of which 1 I wanted I would probably take a PS3 though, biggest selling point would be the blu ray support and the fact that online play is free and no RROD :)

[Keldarza]

If someone came up to me and let me take either an xbox or a ps3, I'd take the PS3, no question. Blu-ray player for free!

[Thrillho]

Gotta say i'm an xbox fan. No amount of blu-ray can make up for not being able to play Halo

[eNailed]

I read an article stating that the Xbox doesn't have any prospect of ever getting a BR drive. Will that mean we have to use multiple discs? Anyway... that is the only con for Xbox for me...

Xbox wins because of the better online service, and online is the future (present)

[Ghost02]

I've got a Xbox and soon getting a Uber gaming PC, all that I would need.

[Dohc-WP]

I read an article stating that the Xbox doesn't have any prospect of ever getting a BR drive. Will that mean we have to use multiple discs? Anyway... that is the only con for Xbox for me...

Xbox wins because of the better online service, and online is the future (present)

Even if it got the blu ray drive the games would still be on dvd 9 format to keep compatibility with the older 360's ! think about if ms came out with a 360 that has a blu ray drive for games how are people with old 360's going to play it :rolleyes: !

[Hraffnir]

Not another X360 vs PS3 thread.... o.o


Everyone knows PC beats the sh*t outa them both.

;)

[ernstn]

I think it's rather simple.

After buying my Xbox a while back, I realised Microsoft doesn't give a $%#^ about us down here in SA when it comes to Xbox Live support and many other accessories. Combine that with the notorious probability of the RRoD, and I'll be going for the PS3 next time I have to choose my console.

I own both and has to agree with you 100 percent. With the playstation store, I can register as a South African and buy with rands. Whereas Xbox forces me to use all sorts of weird and wonderful ways to subscribe and buy MS points.

If a company sells a product in a country, they should be forced to provide you with the same facilities as other users. MS does not have to be based in RSA but at least should have the grace to let me register with my proper details and make purchases without having to use funny methods to buy MS points.Even with the funny registration we still cannot purchase Xbox games on line.

After all the Xbox console does not come with a sticker stating that one of their biggest attractions is not available in our country.

[Kage]

so the new update kills ps3???
/giggles

[Info Guy 101]

I must have a zombie PS3 then COOL :D

[Dohc-WP]

I must have a zombie PS3 then COOL :D

Thats the closest u'll ever get to left 4 dead ja ! and Dead Rising ;)

[Info Guy 101]

Ja and the closest you'll ever get to playing Killzone 2 is um oh wait you'll need a PS3 for that :p

[SpoOkie]

Thats the closest u'll ever get to left 4 dead ja ! and Dead Rising ;)

Who the hell plays FPS without a mouse?

[Info Guy 101]

Who the hell plays FPS without a mouse?

Um console gamers :p

[Info Guy 101]

I love the smell of flamebait in the morning :D


http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_5729/Killzone_2_Convinced_Me_to_Buy_a_Playstation_3


Killzone 2 Convinced Me to Buy a Playstation 3

by Alex and Nick


Editor's Note: I was talking to a buddy online about the recent Killzone 2 demo, take in mind this friend of mine is a massive Xbox 360 fanboy, and to my surprise he loved the Killzone 2 demo. I asked him to write up an article detailing his experience with the upcoming PS3 exclusive, that opinion/editorial is below:
Killzone 2 has been in development for approximately 5 years, and judging by the strength of the demo it was worth the wait and is shaping up to be the true saving grace of the PS3. The demo that exploded onto the European marketplace this past Thursday has incorporated into it a very sleek menu system that is very fitting with the style of the game itself. A nice touch to the games loading screen is a HD image of the scenery featured in different maps that can be tilted and turned in a 3-Dimentional fashion by using the PS3s Sixaxis controller system. This demo has convinced us to go out and purchase a Playstation 3 immediately, which will compliment the Xbox 360's in our gaming cabinets quite nicely, especially with a game like Killzone 2.



The demo itself is set at the very beginning of the full games campaign mode, where your character “Sev” an ISA soldier and his team mates including “Garza” and “Rico” crash land onto the planet Helghan. Landing approximately 200m short of their Landing Zone they are thrown directly into a heated battle taking place on a planet consumed by all out war. After a short yet very pretty cut scene of the crash landing the team must fight their way through a beach and a warehouse to the original LZ. Although the demo is short (about 10 – 15min of play time) it is packed full of staggeringly realistic experiences which will leave you speechless and wanting to play over and over again, at one point a man right next to me in the advance was blown across the beach and another man had been set on fire by some kind of explosive, after about 10 seconds I realised that I had just completely stopped in the middle of a warzone in complete awe of these events and the hectic battle going on around me and had to collect myself and continue on the advance toward the enemy. This opening scene also showcases the amazing graphical advances which have shattered boundaries which previous FPS games have merely pushed month by month since the start of this gaming generation, truly showing what the Playstation 3 really has to offer when pushed to what we can only imagine are its limits.

Once the beautiful cut scene ends and you are thrown into the deep end of this fierce battle against the Helghast it plays similar to most modern top-notch First Person Shooters but with the little differences that FPS games have been needing for a long time, such as intelligent enemy A.I., a first person cover system and realistic animations such as the many different animations that occur when a Helghan soldier is gunned down and falls to the ground dead. In fact the many small differences, which we as gamers have been craving, are what really separates this game from previous shooters, the only disappointing similarity is the lame jokes and corny dialogue.



The chaotic environment really leaves you with a feeling of participation in this war as wherever you look there are different actions taking place whether it be dying team mates, explosions, shrapnel flying past your face or collapsing buildings...and believe me that list is by no means exhaustive. The A.I. on both sides is for once very intelligent; your teammates will take cover in strategic positions and fend for themselves, which sometimes leaves you feeling as if you’re playing a co-op game with other humans. The intelligence of the enemy A.I. really shines through as the fearless Helghast constantly advance towards you implementing complex and coordinated flanking manoeuvres with their team mates, they will also attempt to distract you with grenade blasts to cover their swift approaches onto your teams position.

There are 5 weapons that you can find and use during the course of the demo each as deadly as the last and each with their own strengths and weaknesses in different types of combat. The 2 assault rifles are the M82-G which is the standard rifle for all ISA infantrymen, the M82-G looks to be modelled off the M4 assault rifle but with a bullpup design. The standard assault rifle for the Helghan forces is the STA-52 LAR, there are also the M4 Revolver which is the standard ISA side arm and the Helghast STA 14 which closely resembles the M14 semi-automatic rifle. Last but not least is the M80, an ISA rocket launcher with devastating effects on any man or structure on the receiving end of its rocket propelled round.



Killzone will become most certainly a game to be remembered, taking a huge step up and demolishing most boundaries set by previous FPS games and showing the true power and potential of the Playstation 3. The retail version of the game hits stores in Europe and North America on the 27th of February 2009, expect a full review/feature later this month as we think this is a game all gamers should play, it's that good.

[Welshman]

The 360 might be cheaper but Microsoft screws all of its customers with the lack of customisation. I mean WTF? You can't get optical and HDMI out unless you buy their overpriced HDMI cables. Even the PS2 has optical out and that console is ancient. And you can't use just any HDD unlike the PS3. Microsoft fools customers into thinking they're getting a cheap console, but effectively their customers end up paying extra $$$ for features that come standard with the PS3.

[Dohc-WP]

The 360 might be cheaper but Microsoft screws all of its customers with the lack of customisation. I mean WTF? You can't get optical and HDMI out unless you buy their overpriced HDMI cables. Even the PS2 has optical out and that console is ancient. And you can't use just any HDD unlike the PS3. Microsoft fools customers into thinking they're getting a cheap console, but effectively their customers end up paying extra $$$ for features that come standard with the PS3.

Ur just a Big bag of sunshine aint U :rolleyes:

[KingLv]

My son is 6 years old and he asked me a funny question today. Why does the Playstation have junk games...? I dont have a answer for him maybe you guys can help me answer this one.

[Ghost02]

My son is 6 years old and he asked me a funny question today. Why does the Playstation have junk games...? I dont have a answer for him maybe you guys can help me answer this one.

Birds of a feather...

[Shamrock]

Oh man, 360 is an amazing piece of machinery.

But I'd resort to cannibalism before buying or spending more than an hour playing PS3.

[Info Guy 101]

Oh man, 360 is an amazing piece of machinery.

But I'd resort to cannibalism before buying or spending more than an hour playing PS3.

Well then rent one and only play it for 59 minute's at a time :p

[robdutchmonkey]

Avoiding fanboy comments here's what I think... The xbox 360 is a great machine and it has many upsides, but also more negative points than the ps3.

Price for example, with the recent price hikes of xbox hardware, they have become similarly priced as an 80gb ps3 bundle sells for R4599 whereas the xbox 360 elite goes for around R4899, the pro for around R3500 and the arcade (what proper gamer would by this knowing that plenty money has to be spent to enjoy it properly) for R2400.
Given the fact that a standalone BD player made by sony costs about R3400, it means for everything else, you're only paying R1200, that's for wireless internet built in (xbox you must buy a wireless adapter for a truck load), quality of games exactly the same as the 360 with an ever expanding library. A hdd which can be swapped out with any brand unlike the 360. Free online gaming etc etc.

Sony's problem, is that they should have made 2 classes of ps3, the one we have today, and one for cheaper without built in wireless, to make entry into the market at a lower price and push the 360 from the start. Sony's marketing has also been poor to be honest, trying to boast and be arrogant can be annoying, but then again, microsoft do the same, it's like one silly argument while the wii runs off into the distance with a big lead but lets not fool ourselves, the wii is nothing close to next generation, the reason they're doing so well is because they saw a gap in the market and gambled and it's paid off.

If you look at it, you'd be rather silly to choose the 360 with the current prices over the more polished all round entertainment that is the ps3, I mean, microsoft makes a profit on each sale whereas sony make a loss, anything I can buy for under cost price is a bargain to me!

However, having said that, if you don't need wireless, and you just want a console for gaming and nothing more, the xbox 360 pro is the way to go, however, the ps3 is a better investment (arguably) in the long run.

Both are great pieces of technology and we must all be grateful such competition exists as this competition between the manufacturers can only make gaming in the future, better!

[Solidus]

Sony's problem, is that they should have made 2 classes of ps3, the one we have today, and one for cheaper without built in wireless, to make entry into the market at a lower price and push the 360 from the start. Sony's marketing has also been poor to be honest, trying to boast and be arrogant can be annoying, but then again, microsoft do the same, it's like one silly argument while the wii runs off into the distance with a big lead but lets not fool ourselves, the wii is nothing close to next generation, the reason they're doing so well is because they saw a gap in the market and gambled and it's paid off.




Hey Robdutch!
We haven't killed each other in a long time on COD4, hahahaha. (CancerousCrow btw)
As for the quote above I have the same qualm, Sony should've actually released the 20GB version worldwide. It never had any Wi-Fi and no card readers. If they kept on with that model I'm sure the market share would've increased dramatically. I mean the 20GB even had the EmotionEngine in it. Face Sony just made some bad choices but they making up for it now.

[I am Penguin]

My son is 6 years old and he asked me a funny question today. Why does the Playstation have junk games...? I dont have a answer for him maybe you guys can help me answer this one.

He must be used to the Xbox games. I believe it was developed for 6 year olds or maybe, just maybe he takes after DAD? :D

[Solidus]

Anyway im gonna stick my hand up and say that both consoles have negatives and positives..Im leaning towards x box at the moment because sony lost their sole rights to Tekken..wich is possibly 1 of the biggest fighting game series ever...As far as I know it'll be coming out on xbox 1st..But then again i love kill zone and I can't wait for kill zone 2 and that's a ps3 exclusive!!

So XBOX360 FTW and PS3 FTW

Tekken is already based on PS3 hardware and its the lead platform so the only reason its delayed its cause M$ wants it released the same time as the PS3 version. Same goes for FFXIII.

[Info Guy 101]

The migration has started from PS3/xbox :D

[Iwojima]

Lets see how long it takes to get to 500 pages on here too! ;)

[robdutchmonkey]

Hey Robdutch!
We haven't killed each other in a long time on COD4, hahahaha. (CancerousCrow btw)
As for the quote above I have the same qualm, Sony should've actually released the 20GB version worldwide. It never had any Wi-Fi and no card readers. If they kept on with that model I'm sure the market share would've increased dramatically. I mean the 20GB even had the EmotionEngine in it. Face Sony just made some bad choices but they making up for it now.

Lol hey buddy yeah I never see you online anymore that often, but yes, sony's marketing decisions and forcing a single console on the market is not a very good strategy but there's no turning back for them, at least things are picking up

[The Joker]

Tekken is already based on PS3 hardware and its the lead platform so the only reason its delayed its cause M$ wants it released the same time as the PS3 version. Same goes for FFXIII.

Oh well...fact remains they still lost the sole rights to tekken 6

[Solidus]

Oh well...fact remains they still lost the sole rights to tekken 6

Yup, it comes from Sonys complacency this generation.
They never saw M$ coming, but hey even so more power to Namco.
Though playing a game like Tekken with a 360 D-pad = epic fail!
Already saw the nightmare it is when I tried MK vs. DC combos.

[The Joker]

Yup, it comes from Sonys complacency this generation.
They never saw M$ coming, but hey even so more power to Namco.
Though playing a game like Tekken with a 360 D-pad = epic fail!
Already saw the nightmare it is when I tried MK vs. DC combos.

lol..I have to agree with that part..
Im a huge fan of both the Ps3 and X360.
So as ong as they keep pushng out excellent tiles..im not gonna complain...maybe complain about the price tho:D

[matt]

I got an xbox arcade before the price hike, but even now it's a cheapish option compared to the other consoles, and considering that I have no internet connection at home, all I really use it for is to play offline games.

If that's what you are wanting to do with it, then I think it's the best option.

[SpoOkie]

R600-R900 a game is still ridiculous to me though. no matter what console you have.

[xXScarYXx]

R600-R900 a game is still ridiculous to me though. no matter what console you have.

I agree but I go to Musica often to see what PS3 games they have for under R300

[smokey]

Already seven pages?!?! Sheeshh...

Will there be a FBF here too?

[Info Guy 101]

Only if the xbot give a challenge :D

[phoenix]

I have neither of the two consoles and so cannot speak from experience, however my view is that one should pick one's gaming device according to
what games one likes to play.

[Axis]

i rate xbox because its cheaper the games are cheaper and you get Gears ..... and ps3= no gears so.....

[Ghost02]

Do we have FBF's here?

[Isengard]

I have no personal preference, although I have been with Sony since PSone. When I do eventually buy one, it will be a PS3, for various reasons. Blue Ray, Sony game exclusives like Metal Gear Solid 4 and God of War 3. If money wasn't an issue I'd get an Xbox also.

[cornishrex_rules]

We have been a gaming family for many years and I must say that it would be hard to pick just one consol. Esspecially since some PS only games later come out on Xbox as Xbox only games, so we got both. Just do not have the PS3 yet, but we have the PS2, Xbox (needs repairs) and Xbox 360.

[Solidus]

i rate xbox because its cheaper the games are cheaper and you get Gears ..... and ps3= no gears so.....

Gears is the only game worth playing on the 360 IMHO

[phoenix]

Gears is the only game worth playing on the 360 IMHO

Provided you're willing to put up with the controls. Tried it and found
the controls a major turn-off.

I would much rather give Fable 2 a shot.

[phoenix]

Gears is the only game worth playing on the 360 IMHO


Be that as it may, I have tried it and found the controls to be a turn-off.

If I had to get an Xbox 360 and could choose just one game, it would be Fable 2.

For the Playstation 3, it would probably be armoured Core 4.

I am not a fan of JRPGs.

[Jeff]

PC FTW
ps I have a ps3 and I don’t play it much waiting for god3 and uncharted 2

[Info Guy 101]

There's always one PC boy who make's trouble :p

[lilDeath]

There's always one PC boy who make's trouble :p
We can't let you PS3 and XBOX fanbois have all the fun! :D

[Lydon]

I'm an Xbox guy. I own one and am not interested in getting a PS3 in the least as there isn't a game that comes to mind that appeals to me in the least available on it that I can't get on my 360.

[lilDeath]

Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PS3?
I was quite impressed by the gameplay trailer, it looked awesome. Sssnnaake!
As of 2009 it has shipped 4 million copies.

[Lydon]

Metal Gear Solid is honestly and truly the most boring game I've played in my life lol. So yeah, definitely not that one...

[Solidus]

I've come to notice most Xbox fans is net skop skiet en donner fans.
It's like story means nothing to them.

[_Caboose_]

For me its all about the money, and with the PS3 coming down in prices, i will most prob get one for the exclusives such as MGS4 and FFXIII Versus. Its all dependant on the users opinion i guess, as i have the 360 and my neighbour a PS3, and personally i see no difference what so ever in the games that comes out on both consoles. Buttons seems to be exactly the same for me as well.

[Lydon]

I've come to notice most Xbox fans is net skop skiet en donner fans.
It's like story means nothing to them.

Story is indeed important, but when it starts feeling like you're watching a movie alarm bells start ringing...

[Solidus]

Story is indeed important, but when it starts feeling like you're watching a movie alarm bells start ringing...

Funny i find 90% of 360games lacking in the story department.
MGS4 was a game to end of one of the best series ever and really is one of the best games I've ever played. To each his own on that one but the storytelling of Hideo Kojima is unparalleled.

[Lydon]

Funny i find 90% of 360games lacking in the story department.
MGS4 was a game to end of one of the best series ever and really is one of the best games I've ever played. To each his own on that one but the storytelling of Hideo Kojima is unparalleled.

As I said, whilst the story may be well done, the gaming experience was sorely lacking. I honestly didn't feel like I was playing a game at all.

[The Joker]

The only issue I found with metal gear solid 4 was the lack of intellegence on the ai's part.My best mate..She's a girl finished it without even braking a sweat!! It was only her 2nd Ps3 game..So that's quite scary considering she's only been playing games for the last 3 Months.

[Info Guy 101]

Anyone can finish MGS4 it's not the type of game you can't pick up and play and the controls for the game have improved with each new game in the series to the point where it is easy now to play it but what difficulty setting did she do it on and how long did it take to finish. If she finished in under 7 hours for her first play through I'll be mightly impressed :D

[SpoOkie]

Ff xiii :p

ps3 wins :D

[Isengard]

Ff xiii :p

ps3 wins :D

Shame then that FF XIII is has a simultaneous release on the 360. Boy was I shocked when that story made the news :eek:.

[Solidus]

Ff Versus xiii :p

ps3 wins :D

Corrected ;)

[Info Guy 101]

@ SpoOkie your avatar rocks :D but is very distracting :p

@ Solidus nice fix :D

[SpoOkie]

FF XIII on ps3 is still going to be better than the xbox 360 version. FMV's in HD perhaps even 1080p instead of stupid SD crap that the xbox version will most likely get. Versus will only launch the next decade perhaps. And besides PS3 owners are going to get the FFXIII demo atleast. Xbox nothing :D

I wish my avatar could be bigger :P

[Axis]

Xbox all the way Ps3 = no gears, assassins creed and more

[Deceptor]

Got my PS3 on monday and I ain't looking back.

[lilDeath]

Got my PS3 on monday and I ain't looking back.
What terms you paying it off on? ;)
rofl :D

[The Joker]

What terms you paying it off on? ;)
rofl :D

LOL well said mate!!
I actually found a guy selling a couple of 80gig's brand new sealed in box for R3800..wich isn't bad!!
It comes with 1 free game and the new dualshock3 controller.

[lilDeath]

LOL well said mate!!
I actually found a guy selling a couple of 80gig's brand new sealed in box for R3800..wich isn't bad!!
It comes with 1 free game and the new dualshock3 controller.
hhmm, sounds too good to be true...
You sure it's not just a sealed box ?

(sorry, couldn't resist :D)

[The Joker]

LOL its all good mate. Nope its the real deal.

[SpoOkie]

I paid R3600 for my 80GB console. 2 DS 3 controllers. Little Big Planet and Batman Begins on blue-ray.

;-)

@xbot assassin's creed and gears of war is on pc. Gears2 isn't yet. But who cares it's an FPS. That's what pcs are there for. Seriously WTF buys red alert 3 for a console?

[phoenix]

One of my colleagues paid around R2000 for his.
Mind you, he was on holiday in Singapore.

[SpoOkie]

Bought mine at Heathrow airport. (my first one got stolen) saw this bargain, just had to get it :D

[Xmnsx]

Got mine last year april (40 gig version), and had to sell it again for university registeration fees, got an xbox now, out of the box rrod, but at least i never had to deal Mi digital.

[Xmnsx]

Got mine last year april (40 gig version), and had to sell it again for university registeration fees, got an xbox now, out of the box rrod, but at least i never had to deal Mi digital.

[koldFU5iON]

Well I've been reading and (I am a secret XBOX fanboi) I have to correct some things on the XBOX side of things that are important to note.


PS3 looks better in my room :P (black + blue + purple) I like it's controller more(has a longer battery life) ... I have a plylist on the thing, plug it into my bigscreen + 7.2 surround sound and viola a nice visualization and great music in the background.


point 1: Battery life, Incorrectum PS3 vs. XBOX360 Battery Life (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/02/02/wii-xbox-360-ps3-controller-battery-life-tested.htm)
Sub Point: I so prefer a recharge cable that can actually reach my couch!

Point 2: I can play my music in the background while I play games


The 360 might be cheaper but Microsoft screws all of its customers with the lack of customisation. I mean WTF? You can't get optical and HDMI out unless you buy their overpriced HDMI cables. Even the PS2 has optical out and that console is ancient.

I think you have your consoles mixed up

HDMI(recent) + Optical Audio (from the beginning) comes with the XBOX360 + they add in an HDMi Cable for FREE ... it's true ;)


Funny i find 90% of 360games lacking in the story department.
MGS4 was a game to end of one of the best series ever and really is one of the best games I've ever played. To each his own on that one but the storytelling of Hideo Kojima is unparalleled.

really? do you have a facts on that 90%? did you even look must've taken you sometime with xbox's MASSIVE Game's library

I hope you chose to exclude the sports and fighting titles?

how about:

Fable 2
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Gears of war
Fallout 3
GTA IV
Star Wars the Force Unleashed

not every story needs to come from Japan ;)

But on a fair playing ground I have a PS3 and I love the fact that it has the built in wireless and I'm enjoying my Blu Ray movies (only 2 at the moment) and LBP is awesome as well as Killzone 2. I just don't think the online aspect is very good (yet) and I think that's the case because of telkom but that should change soon.

also love the fact that we have a local online shopping service on the PSN.

Enjoyed the debate :)

[Solidus]

really? do you have a facts on that 90%? did you even look must've taken you sometime with xbox's MASSIVE Game's library

I hope you chose to exclude the sports and fighting titles?

how about:

Fable 2Crap Ending
Bioshock Multi-plat
Mass EffectOnly game worth getting but its on pc ;)
Gears of warTheres a story?
Fallout 3 Multi-plat
GTA IVMulti plat
Star Wars the Force Unleashed Multi-plat and mediocre

not every story needs to come from Japan ;)

But on a fair playing ground I have a PS3 and I love the fact that it has the built in wireless and I'm enjoying my Blu Ray movies (only 2 at the moment) and LBP is awesome as well as Killzone 2. I just don't think the online aspect is very good (yet) and I think that's the case because of telkom but that should change soon.

also love the fact that we have a local online shopping service on the PSN.

Enjoyed the debate :)

Dunno where you came from but those games you listed played them all and the only great exclusive in there is Mass Effect. Bring me a better list then we talk

[SpoOkie]

Well I've been reading and (I am a secret XBOX fanboi) I have to correct some things on the XBOX side of things that are important to note.



point 1: Battery life, Incorrectum PS3 vs. XBOX360 Battery Life (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2008/02/02/wii-xbox-360-ps3-controller-battery-life-tested.htm)
Sub Point: I so prefer a recharge cable that can actually reach my couch!

Point 2: I can play my music in the background while I play games.

From that site of yours: " But due to the lack of an auto-off feature like the Wii and 360, Sixaxis lasted a meager 18 hours and 41 minutes".

The remote does have an auto-off feature, they are just to stupid to go into setup. So I won't even read anything further from that. I've recharged my controller once since I got my console in January.

Who the hell listens to music while you are playing the game?!

[I am Penguin]

also love the fact that we have a local online shopping service on the PSN.:)

Enlighten me. I cannot access PSN when capped. I have to get International, then purchase PSN store content and pause the download then continue downloading via local?

[SpoOkie]

Local meaning you don't have to hack your way into it. The server is still hosted internationally (because it's cheaper) but you register your credit card and such and pay for stuff in Rands ;)

[I am Penguin]

Local meaning you don't have to hack your way into it. The server is still hosted internationally (because it's cheaper) but you register your credit card and such and pay for stuff in Rands ;)

Sure, thanks. Nice one.

[koldFU5iON]

Dunno where you came from but those games you listed played them all and the only great exclusive in there is Mass Effect. Bring me a better list then we talk

tell you what why don't you list yours ;)


From that site of yours: " But due to the lack of an auto-off feature like the Wii and 360, Sixaxis lasted a meager 18 hours and 41 minutes".

The remote does have an auto-off feature, they are just to stupid to go into setup. So I won't even read anything further from that. I've recharged my controller once since I got my console in January.


You've only recharged your controller once? wow that's amazing do you actually use your console for gaming?

anyways let the debate war continue :D

[SpoOkie]

I've finished Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm and Little big planet. And according to The Naruto game i've clocked in 34 Hours of game time. I've watched blu-rays and a couple of other movies on the thing.

[I am Penguin]

anyways let the debate war continue :D

What debate, What war? Its only Xbox owners that "war" in/at a Debate. They have a very good reason for it tho. They have to defend, at all costs, their meager quality/defunct (RROD) and outdated hardware console against the facts of a more superior, high class, multi functional , future poof, more advance hardware console + HD media player.

[WaldoRibeiro]

What debate, What war? Its only Xbox owners that "war" in/at a Debate. They have a very good reason for it tho. They have to defend, at all costs, their meager quality/defunct (RROD) and outdated hardware console against the facts of a more superior, high class, multi functional , future poof, more advance hardware console + HD media player.

AMEN! Please copyright this, then I will buy the rights and copy this to all the other forums! People need to hear this, because it really is true. I am an Xbox 360 owner and, having played the PS3, I need to get rid of it pronto.

[Lydon]

against the facts of a more superior, high class, multi functional , future poof, more advance hardware console + HD media player.

That is selling worse than the 360 :p

[I am Penguin]

That is selling worse than the 360 :p

Onluy for the year the PS3 did not exist! The real difference is a meager 1 million and to achieve that feat microsoft had to driop their prices to con more people into buying useless arcade consoles.

[Xmnsx]

Im an xbox 360 owner as well, but can agree that the ps3 is a better console on all fronts, fanboi's can have their little wars, but only time will tell. If microsoft adopts a new console early on then the ps3 will win this generation, and if sony adopts early microsoft will win, it all just depends on who supports their current gen console longer, and the whole bluray vs dual layer debate is in my opinion idiotic as well cause the 7th gen era ends in like two years, even if microsoft did adopt blu ray it would be a terrible business move cause the xbox is already almost four years old. You can draw parallels between the snes vs genesis and ps3 vs xbox 360 console wars. For anyone interested the parallels are as follows:
Sega released a console over a year earlier than nintendo.
Microsoft released a console almost over a year earlier than sony.
Sega released the sega cd add on in 1991 which was ultimately a failure.
Microsoft released the hd dvd add on in 2006 which was ultimately a failure.
The genesis though having inferior hardware, lead sales for most of the 4th gen console wars in the north american and european markets,never really making an impact in japan.
The xbox 360 though having inferior hardware, has and is still current leading in sales in north america and europe but falls far behind in japan.
Sega ultimately lost the console wars cause it stopped supporting the genesis in 1995 while nintendo pushed on with the snes until 1997.
So IMHO the winner of this gen, as i said in my last post, will be determined by how both companies handle the launches of their next gen consoles. I could go on with parallels between sega and ms, theres quite alot actually, but im too lazy at the moment

[lilDeath]

No, quad-posting is enough, it taught us all a lesson.

You have an Edit option in the bottom right-hand corner of each post you make, right?
Please use it. Don't be shy.

Thanks buddy.

[Xmnsx]

Sorry about that dude

[WaldoRibeiro]

The xbox 360 though having inferior hardware, has and is still current leading in sales in north america and europe but falls far behind in japan.

Actually you are incorrect. Only leading in USA. PS3 has better sales in EU since last May already.

[Lydon]

Actually you are incorrect. Only leading in USA. PS3 has better sales in EU since last May already.

The US sales difference versus the EU sales difference results in the 360 selling better.

[WaldoRibeiro]

The US sales difference versus the EU sales difference results in the 360 selling better.

I know it is selling better, but not anywhere major besides the USA. And most 'sales' are RROD swap outs which is like 30% or more. Don't be fooled.

[SpoOkie]

Total Sales:

Wii – 34.55 million, as of 30 September 2008
Xbox 360 – 28 million, as of 1 January 2009
PlayStation 3 – 21.3 million, as of 20 February 2009

North America according to NPD group

Wii - 17,521,000
Xbox 360 - 13,857,400
PlayStation 3 - 6,790,000

There happy? And now lets have the stats for mandrax use!? Just because something is selling well doesn't mean it's good. As far as I know Microsoft pedaled RROD consoles as sales. So their actual number can be as lowered with about 2-5million units.

[Xmnsx]

I find it surprising that the xbox 360 is still leading sales in north america, considering that most americans could probably afford a ps3 or both consoles

[WaldoRibeiro]

Just because something is selling well doesn't mean it's good. As far as I know Microsoft pedaled RROD consoles as sales. So their actual number can be as lowered with about 2-5million units.

Amen to that!

[Mdoggie]

I find it surprising that the xbox 360 is still leading sales in north america, considering that most americans could probably afford a ps3 or both consoles

It's the same reason why the PS3 will always lead in Japan, People generally want to support the country thus PS3 controls Japan, Xbox 360 controls the USA.


I know it is selling better, but not anywhere major besides the USA. And most 'sales' are RROD swap outs which is like 30% or more. Don't be fooled.
They don't count swap outs as sales, only proper sales and since the 3 year warrenty only finished for release buyers a few months ago, almost none of those sales would be replacements. Don't be fooled.

[SpoOkie]

I find it surprising that the xbox 360 is still leading sales in north america, considering that most americans could probably afford a ps3 or both consoles

Have you ever been to America? It's surprising that they even allow people from other countries there.

[Xmnsx]

Have you ever been to America? It's surprising that they even allow people from other countries there.

Lol i actually have been there, i had a year scholarship studying at bard(new york)

[e1ace]

I'm still not sure why people are saying that the ps3 isn't selling well? I'm not sure if my 'fanboy' eyes are seeing something different but isn't it ahead or at least right on par with x360 in terms of the rate its selling? the ps3 is like 5 months ahead of the x360 to get to 20million isn't it?

i think the major problem is the fact that too many people look at vgchartz for there console sales. rather wait for press releases from either sony or microsoft.

sony reported that they had SOLD 21.3 millions ps3 consoles worldwide as of 31st December 2008 (i can get the source link if someone doubts this - a bit lazy at the moment). vgchartz says 20.62 million worldwide as of now??

even when NPD released ps3 sales results vgchartz refused to increase the ps3 results because they said NPD must be wrong. not sure if you know but NPD doesn't estimate like vgchartz does...

[Xmnsx]

That sounds so unlike sony to use the word SOLD and not SHIPPED

[Lydon]

I'm still not sure why people are saying that the ps3 isn't selling well? I'm not sure if my 'fanboy' eyes are seeing something different but isn't it ahead or at least right on par with x360 in terms of the rate its selling? the ps3 is like 5 months ahead of the x360 to get to 20million isn't it?

i think the major problem is the fact that too many people look at vgchartz for there console sales. rather wait for press releases from either sony or microsoft.

sony reported that they had SOLD 21.3 millions ps3 consoles worldwide as of 31st December 2008 (i can get the source link if someone doubts this - a bit lazy at the moment). vgchartz says 20.62 million worldwide as of now??

even when NPD released ps3 sales results vgchartz refused to increase the ps3 results because they said NPD must be wrong. not sure if you know but NPD doesn't estimate like vgchartz does...

Have you had a look at the December 2008 sales? PS3 vs 360? Eish about sums up the poor PS3's sales.

[WaldoRibeiro]

One thing you guys don't seem to realize is that, yes, maybe the PS3 sold 7 million less units than the Xbox 360, but 21 million is still a HELLUVA lot of consoles sold and those people still need to be provided for.

[tpex]

Not another X360 vs PS3 thread.... o.o


Everyone knows PC beats the sh*t outa them both.

;)

Amen! after a few years you console players will be stuck playing bad gaphical games wile we (pc gamers) rave about awesome graphics

[WaldoRibeiro]

Amen! after a few years you console players will be stuck playing bad gaphical games wile we (pc gamers) rave about awesome graphics

Not really. I game on both console and PC and keep both very up to date so I don't lose out either way. And another thing, the people who choose consoles really don't care about the PC so it matters nothing. :)

[lilDeath]

Not really. I game on both console and PC and keep both very up to date so I don't lose out either way. And another thing, the people who choose consoles really don't care about the PC so it matters nothing. :)
Yes, well, the PC and consoles are catering towards different markets so you cannot compare them.
The PC is the all-rounder in computing and the consoles are for gaming, each one has their pros and cons.
Check this thread - http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=349

[Wraith_One]

Still going on about that hey lilDeath. Take a break n go play your new game. What game you taking anyway?

[Lydon]

Amen! after a few years you console players will be stuck playing bad gaphical games wile we (pc gamers) rave about awesome graphics

You do realise that for a price of a new, updated console you'll most likely end up paying less than an upgrade for your PC in order to play those games in a few years time? Hardware that's a few years of age is *not* going to play the latest games well.

[lilDeath]

Still going on about that hey lilDeath. Take a break n go play your new game. What game you taking anyway?
hehe :D
Don't know, must go and see what wantitall have on offer.

[Xmnsx]

Well people have made different choices based on their own tastes, i know i went the console route because i missed the ease of use and the fact that i didnt need to upgrade hardware all the time to run the latest games, once my xbox becomes dated ill build a gaming rig and stick with that until the 8th generation of consoles drop to a reasonable price. That way i still have the multiple functionality of a pc, and will have a console as well once my pc becomes too dated for games.

[Wraith_One]

Well people have made different choices based on their own tastes, i know i went the console route because i missed the ease of use and the fact that i didnt need to upgrade hardware all the time to run the latest games, once my xbox becomes dated ill build a gaming rig and stick with that until the 8th generation of consoles drop to a reasonable price. That way i still have the multiple functionality of a pc, and will have a console as well once my pc becomes too dated for games.

Yeah that sounds like a good plan. I'll stick with my PS3 for now but will have to upgrade my PC once again for Diablo 3. Not sure if my PC will run it but will upgrade it even if it does.

[Xmnsx]

Does anybody have any idea what the minimum specs for diablo 3 might look like?

[lilDeath]

I am not aware if the specs have been released yet... isn't it a bit early, considering there is no official release date for it yet?

I would imagine though, that a half-decent pc should be able to play it.

[Xmnsx]

Blizzard always takes ages, but i guess for the quality that u get, its worth the wait

[SpoOkie]

I would say it would use wow's specs with a higher shadermodel card 4.0 minimum.

[Wraith_One]

I would say it would use wow's specs with a higher shadermodel card 4.0 minimum.

Nope it's gonna have higher requirements. I'm quite sure of that.

[KingLv]

Xbox Live Gold now only $39.99(R421) for 12months

[phakt]

/me pokes his head around here

Interesting :p

[Deceptor]

Seems like the Xbox 360 vs PS3 war has died down for the time being.

[Dohc-WP]

some of the trolls left and went back to MyBB

[WaldoRibeiro]

One thing I just want to clear up: Doesn't mean that if someone supports the PS3 that they're a troll. It seems everyone considers the Xbots to be merely 'defending their product'. Well that's what the PS3 fanboys are doing as well. This thread is made for this purpose, not trolling. Then again, how do you tell an idiot he's an idiot. If the shoe fits I guess...

[Dohc-WP]

There's a saying it takes 1 to notice 1 !

[lilDeath]

So.... PS3 vs Xbox360 huh :p

[Dohc-WP]

So.... PS3 vs Xbox360 huh :p

sumthin like that :p

[Shamrock]

I don't think PS3 has much going for it. I love PlayStation 1, it's like the crib I grew up in, so don't think I'm a MS fanboy. I just don't see any reason, motive or anything else for PS3 being better. The game range seems below average, multiplayer options might as well be taken out of the occasion...but either way, I don't see it as being MUCH worse than the 360, other than in pricing.

[The Joker]

One thing I just want to clear up: Doesn't mean that if someone supports the PS3 that they're a troll. It seems everyone considers the Xbots to be merely 'defending their product'. Well that's what the PS3 fanboys are doing as well. This thread is made for this purpose, not trolling. Then again, how do you tell an idiot he's an idiot. If the shoe fits I guess...

OMG
Ps3 fabboy= trouble maker
Xbox 360 fanboy= trouble maker
Fanboys make trouble because they swear by the product they use and everything else is crap...from their biased point of view!!

[Shamrock]

Yeah. In doing this you gotta be able to take a step back and look at the facts, really. I wouldn't go for a PS3, but that's just me -- anyone else who wants one, go for it. That's really the simplicity of it.

[The Joker]

Yeah. In doing this you gotta be able to take a step back and look at the facts, really. I wouldn't go for a PS3, but that's just me -- anyone else who wants one, go for it. That's really the simplicity of it.

+1
I own both consoles and love them both to bits.

[KingLv]

+1
I own both consoles and love them both to bits.

Then can we ask you the big question... Xbox or PS3?

[The Joker]

Then can we ask you the big question... Xbox or PS3?

Honestly...I prefer my Xbox360.
I don't know why..I just do:p

[phoenix]

Honestly...I prefer my Xbox360.
I don't know why..I just do:p

Surely you must know on some level. Is it the look of the machine? The controller? The user interface? The non-gaming functionality? Online? Or is it the games that you prefer?

[The Joker]

I think its probably because I own more titles for the x360.
Oh and lets not forget Gears of war2.

[sycogrim]

hell i just play with whatever is put in front of me :D might take some time of getting used to but hey its worth it......... ill play on anything that involves gaming :D

[WaldoRibeiro]

Oh and lets not forget Gears of war2.

Gears 2 is not nearly enough to motivate liking a console more. Admittedly, neither is KZ2. It should be the entire collection that generally catches your eye, or the interface, or controller, etc. If Gears 2 was on DS, doesn't mean I'd like the DS more than anything. No way!

[phoenix]

hell i just play with whatever is put in front of me :D might take some time of getting used to but hey its worth it......... ill play on anything that involves gaming :D

Nintendo Wii?

;)


Gears 2 is not nearly enough to motivate liking a console more. Admittedly, neither is KZ2. It should be the entire collection that generally catches your eye, or the interface, or controller, etc. If Gears 2 was on DS, doesn't mean I'd like the DS more than anything. No way!

Heaven forbid no!

I love my DS, but much of the attraction of Gears [from the bit I have played] seems to lie in its impressive [for a console :D] visuals. Not in a month of Sundays could a DS do justice to that aspect of the game.

[sycogrim]

Nintendo Wii?

;)



Exactly I mean if I have a Wii, Xbox, PS3 or whatever ill make sure i play on all of them lol... :D

[phoenix]

I would prefer to see only one console platform:with a gamepad and Wiimote-type controller and support for mouse and keyboard.

Would reduce developers' workload, cut down on fanboyism and make it easier for us PC-users to enjoy some the better console games.

[Dohc-WP]

I would prefer to see only one console platform:with a gamepad and Wiimote-type controller and support for mouse and keyboard.

Would reduce developers' workload, cut down on fanboyism and make it easier for us PC-users to enjoy some the better console games.

Then the creativity would die down ! face it competition means that the console manufacturers and developers would do anything to get the best games with the best graphics and gameplay onto the market, if there's no competition then the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap games just for a quick buck because the console manufacturer would know that there's no other alternative so you would have to buy their crap. a good example is the wii it is the only console with such a n innovative motion sensor controller (sixaxis doesnt count) and look at all the crap games on the wii

[phoenix]

You have a point there. I just find it annoying when something interesting turns up on another platform.

c'est la vie.

[The Joker]

Gears 2 is not nearly enough to motivate liking a console more. Admittedly, neither is KZ2. It should be the entire collection that generally catches your eye, or the interface, or controller, etc. If Gears 2 was on DS, doesn't mean I'd like the DS more than anything. No way!

Well thanx for pointing that out!!
I was asked why I prefer my xbox360 and i answered the guy. Seeing as you know exactly what im thinking, please answer all the questions aimed at me!!
FFS:mad:

[Shamrock]

It's really a question of preference. It's sort of like, in a company you never ask people what they want, because they don't know. So you introduce something new and if people like it they'll use it. Answering why you like XBox more than PS3 is nothing more than preference and the appeal of what the company has done. IMO, they're not very different. So yeah, that was a pretty silly retort (WaldoRibeiro)

[sycogrim]

Well thanx for pointing that out!!
I was asked why I prefer my xbox360 and i answered the guy. Seeing as you know exactly what im thinking, please answer all the questions aimed at me!!
FFS:mad:

Dude its like what we were talkin about with sharkbait, if you have both its harder to compare because you wanna play both consoles and enjoy what you have with them.... and I'm not sure who said it but it was along the lines of you have to play with both consoles before you decide which one to buy and in ur case u obviously enjoy Xbox and PS3 and therefore own them.... I guess what im trying to get at is that you can afford to criticise consoles as you not only own both but play with them to :D

[Phobiac]

xbox pwns ps3... installing games on your console is rather bs hey... id rather go buy a blu-ray player than the ps3....

[Wenzdayz]

I'd say it depends on the games. Some games are just better on console. It does take some getting used to if you played on pc and then moved to a console.

[Phobiac]

best way to start is get the xbox controller for windows (or a standard cabled one) and start messing around there. that would make the transition to console alot easier as you have the basic feel for the controllers

[Solidus]

xbox pwns ps3... installing games on your console is rather bs hey... id rather go buy a blu-ray player than the ps3....

I'd rather sit with an install then listen to my console take off :rolleyes:
Installs are partly developers faults and not so much the blu-ray drive as some great games don't even require an install.

[Lydon]

I'd rather sit with an install then listen to my console take off :rolleyes:

Ah, but that's just the thing. With an install you don't really go anywhere at all.

[The Joker]

This argument will carry on till the end of time!!

[sycogrim]

This argument will carry on till the end of time!!

Ja this argument will go on until something superior comes out and just dominates all lol... :p

[Solidus]

Ja this argument will go on until something superior comes out and just dominates all lol... :p

Like the Wii 2 :D

[dasco144]

every forum u go on has this topic.... o and btw PS3 FTW

[Lydon]

every forum u go on has this topic.... o and btw PS3 FTW

How to spot a PS3 fanboy.










I jest :p

[The Joker]

How to spot a PS3 fanboy.










I jest :p

LOL
+1 Mate!!
At least I own both, so i can't be called a fanboi!!

[phoenix]

Joker, all that means is that you are a Double Fanboi as you liked both enough to pay good money for them. ;)

:D

[The Joker]

Joker, all that means is that you are a Double Fanboi as you liked both enough to pay good money for them. ;)

:D

Dude..I am not a fanboi!!
I love gaming, ive got a X360, Ps3 and Pc.
Im not getting sucked into this argument..lol!!

Oh yeah..I hate fanboiz:mad:

[Cay-9]

Xbox = cheaper
PS3= better graphics

[The Joker]

No dude Ps3 does not = better graphics.
I own both consoles and they are plugged into a 40 inch full HD sony bravia.
If you see Gears of war 2(Xbox360) on this screen you'll be amazed!!
Both consoles have excellent graphics, only diffirence between the 2 is the price.
I think the Ps3 is also built a bit better.

[WaldoRibeiro]

No dude Ps3 does not = better graphics.
I own both consoles and they are plugged into a 40 inch full HD sony bravia.
If you see Gears of war 2(Xbox360) on this screen you'll be amazed!!
Both consoles have excellent graphics, only diffirence between the 2 is the price.
I think the Ps3 is also built a bit better.

Here at home I've got a 52" Samsung, and Gears 2 has got nothing on the PS3. KZ2 just murders Gears 2. Also, many cross platform games have a few frames less, but that's due to the reading speed of the optical drives. The graphics are better or equal in some cases. Hardly ever is it worse.

[The Joker]

Here we go again mentioning killzone2..with all its grey textures and bland graphics!!
I own both consoles mate. I think they both look excellent on a proper full HD screen.

[Dohc-WP]

Here we go again mentioning killzone2..with all its grey textures and bland graphics!!
I own both consoles mate. I think they both look excellent on a proper full HD screen.

Dont feed the troll Joker :D Feeding it will end up getting u banned :p

[The Joker]

Dont feed the troll Joker :D Feeding it will end up getting u banned :p

LOL
I love both consoles and this is the last time im posting in this thread.
Way to many fanboiz around!!

[Sinister]

End of the day I think its all up to the user......

[WaldoRibeiro]

Dont feed the troll Joker :D Feeding it will end up getting u banned :p

It's time for this childishness to end. I was posting my opinion, and my observations regarding my TV and my consoles. End of story.

EDIT: Your avatar (Xbox 360 gamertag avatar) clearly represents your mentality. If you are smart enough, you'll realize what I mean.

[Tinman]

Iv had three reports regarding this thread guys.

Please try and keep it civil.

This thread can actually server a purpose, but you have to use it responsibly.

The idea is to conduct educated discussions regarding the pros and cons of each console, not simply flame each other. From now on this thread will be monitored closely.

All posters found guilty of flame baiting, blatant fanboyism, general trolling and personal attacks will be dealt with.

We havent had a banning yet I am proud to say, lets not spoil things guys.

Play nice

[Tinman]

Iv had three reports regarding this thread guys.

Please try and keep it civil.

This thread can actually server a purpose, but you have to use it responsibly.

The idea is to conduct educated discussions regarding the pros and cons of each console, not simply flame each other. From now on this thread will be monitored closely.

All posters found guilty of flame baiting, blatant fanboyism, general trolling and personal attacks will be dealt with.

We havent had a banning yet I am proud to say, lets not spoil things guys.

Play nice

[lilDeath]

Finally, the madness ends. Thanks TM.
I quite agree with you and you are spot on. I enjoy reading this thread and some of the comments are just not :cool: and actually childish.

There is a distinct difference between fanboyism (unsubstantiated claims) and stating an opinion that is backed up with facts / personal experience.

Also, posters need to remember that not everyone will (or should) agree with their statement, no matter how right they think they may be. Try and explain why you say what you do, instead of getting upset and attacking someone.

So, chill please and continue the discussion. :)

Maybe I must buy both consoles and start posting my opinions ;)

[The Joker]

LOL
Now everyone is to scared to post in this section!!
We can all get along guys, just check your fanboinism at the door!!

[phoenix]

After my ongoing problems with Windows Activation, all 3 current generation consoles are enjoying my favour.

[lilDeath]

What probs you having, phoenix?

[The Joker]

Damn this thread hasn't seen any action in a long time...

[sycogrim]

jokerboi is a FANBOI lmao :D:D:D:p

[Solidus]

jokerboi is a FANBOI lmao :D:D:D:p

Hahahaha that should get the fire going

[sycogrim]

Hahahaha that should get the fire going

well i dont think it will piss him off coz he told me hes not a fanboi... so i just do it to try and push his buttons lol... never seems to work coz im just full of jokes and k@k :p

[Solidus]

well i dont think it will piss him off coz he told me hes not a fanboi... so i just do it to try and push his buttons lol... never seems to work coz im just full of jokes and k@k :p

Ok then I'll start,
Yo Joker, Grid is kaaaark its as realistic as Road Fighter was on the 8-bit.

[sycogrim]

Ok then I'll start,
Yo Joker, Grid is kaaaark its as realistic as Road Fighter was on the 8-bit.

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.... now thats starting kak lmfao :D :p

[Lydon]

Damn this thread hasn't seen any action in a long time...

Because we all know the 360 is the better console, silly :p

[Wenzdayz]

Because we all know the 360 is the better console, silly :p

Lol, I agree :D

[Dohc-WP]

Ok then I'll start,
Yo Joker, Grid is kaaaark its as realistic as Road Fighter was on the 8-bit.

Looool ! JOKER gonna get u

[The Joker]

Ok then I'll start,
Yo Joker, Grid is kaaaark its as realistic as Road Fighter was on the 8-bit.

WHHHHHHAAAAATTTTT?????
1st things 1st, im selling my ps3, anyone interested? As far as im concerned its useless, makes a pretty nice door stop though:p

GRID RULES:D

[Solidus]

WHHHHHHAAAAATTTTT?????
1st things 1st, im selling my ps3, anyone interested? As far as im concerned its useless, makes a pretty nice door stop though:p

GRID RULES:D

FAAAANNNBBOOYYYYYY!!!!!!
I thought you "loved" your PS3, face it you're a fanboy!

[The Joker]

LMAO
Neah I love my ps3..I was just being an ass..come to think of it now, you were being 1 aswell..lol..Grid rules!!

[Solidus]

LMAO
Neah I love my ps3..I was just being an ass..come to think of it now, you were being 1 aswell..lol..Grid rules!!

I'm just laying some bait here, we all know how you don't like that statement :D

[The Joker]

LOL
Yeah I now..Its all good mate!!

[Fluff_E]

I personaly <3 teh xbox

[Voicy]

Any fanboy extremists remarks on here will result in a swift kick in the panty :mad:

[Lydon]

*swift fanboy remark*

Bring it :p

[The Joker]

I miss the fanboi's!!

[phoenix]

;)I think things calmed down when we agreed that consoles pale before the awesome power of a gaming PC.

[Doggeh]

PS3, Its just so sleek n sexy, i dont know they details on any of them though xD

[iOverflow]

PS3 FTW! and xbox is dieing !

[Lydon]

PS3 FTW! and xbox is dieing !

Dieing isn't a word, so clearly playing the PS3 isn't good for your brain cells ;)

Get an Xbox! It is, after all, putting the PS3 to shame where it counts ;)

[Solidus]

Dieing isn't a word, so clearly playing the PS3 isn't good for your brain cells ;)

Get an Xbox! It is, after all, putting the PS3 to shame where it counts ;)

Oh so sales count now, last I checked Gears 2 was the only game worth getting on the 360 :p

[Dohc-WP]

Oh so sales count now, last I checked Gears 2 was the only game worth getting on the 360 :p

err... wot about
Halo
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
GTA IV The lost & the Damned
Pgr 3 + 4
perfect Dark
Forza 2
race Pro

I could go on but my hands will get tired.... :D

[Solidus]

err... wot about
Halo
Mass Effect
Dead Rising
GTA IV The lost & the Damned
Pgr 3 + 4
perfect Dark
Forza 2
race Pro

I could go on but my hands will get tired.... :D

hahahaha, those games are out already and pretty "old" at that.
Best game on that list is Mass Effect IMO others are pretty meh.
My reference was actually to games in the foreseeable future, since Gears 2 there hasn't been anything worthwhile. Oh and aren't South Africans locked out from getting Lost and the Damned?

[The Joker]

PS3 FTW! and xbox is dieing !

By saying what you just said there, you are now officially the Head candidate for idiocy ps3 fanboinism!!

[Dohc-WP]

hahahaha, those games are out already and pretty "old" at that.
Best game on that list is Mass Effect IMO others are pretty meh.
My reference was actually to games in the foreseeable future, since Gears 2 there hasn't been anything worthwhile. Oh and aren't South Africans locked out from getting Lost and the Damned?

Mass effect 2 (a ps3 version hasnt been officially confirmed yet)
Race pro only came out recently
There's also the brilliant looking alan wake coming out soon
Halo wars are also achieving major sales at the moment
oh capcom also confirmed the 360 will get the superior version of dead rising 2
oh there's also star ocean the last hope

[The Joker]

Mass effect 2 (a ps3 version hasnt been officially confirmed yet)
Race pro only came out recently
There's also the brilliant looking alan wake coming out soon
Halo wars are also achieving major sales at the moment
oh capcom also confirmed the 360 will get the superior version of dead rising 2
oh there's also star ocean the last hope

That list is fine except for Halo wars, I'm sorry but strategy games don't belong on consoles!!

[Solidus]

Mass effect 2 (a ps3 version hasnt been officially confirmed yet)
Race pro only came out recently
There's also the brilliant looking alan wake coming out soon
Halo wars are also achieving major sales at the moment
oh capcom also confirmed the 360 will get the superior version of dead rising 2
oh there's also star ocean the last hope

RacePro, played it pretty bland. Forza is better.
Alan Wait you mean? careful the game might just turn out to be Duke Nukem Forever and the brilliand looking can be achieved on the PC with a pretty good graphics card.
Star Ocean Last Hope, probably the first "good" JRPG after the precious Lost Odyssey so that doesn't even say much as to the quality of the title. It couldn't even save the the 360 sinking in Japan. LOL at your Halo Wars comment, you gonna back the quality of the game with sales now? Its a snorefest and are for Die Hard Halo fanbois. Seems all 360 bringing this year is some extra DLC and some Wii gimmick rip off. Unless they bought out another exclusive :p

[Dohc-WP]

RacePro, played it pretty bland. Forza is better.
Alan Wait you mean? careful the game might just turn out to be Duke Nukem Forever and the brilliand looking can be achieved on the PC with a pretty good graphics card.
Star Ocean Last Hope, probably the first "good" JRPG after the precious Lost Odyssey so that doesn't even say much as to the quality of the title. It couldn't even save the the 360 sinking in Japan. LOL at your Halo Wars comment, you gonna back the quality of the game with sales now? Its a snorefest and are for Die Hard Halo fanbois. Seems all 360 bringing this year is some extra DLC and some Wii gimmick rip off. Unless they bought out another exclusive :p

well see @ E3

[The Joker]

AAAHHHH The thread has been restored to its former fighting glory!!

[Solidus]

AAAHHHH The thread has been restored to its former fighting glory!!

Indeed it has and high time already, now if only the MyBB can be as active.
now that was all out FanBoy war

[The Joker]

LOL Well STUFF the fanboi's on MYBB!! They don't know sh*t!!

[Deceptor]

Nice too see that this thread has come back to life.

[Lydon]

Oh so sales count now, last I checked Gears 2 was the only game worth getting on the 360 :p

Go have a look at the list of games that have sold over a million copies on the 360, then on the PS3. I think you'll notice the 360 has substantially more ;)

*re-adjusts punching gloves*

[Solidus]

Go have a look at the list of games that have sold over a million copies on the 360, then on the PS3. I think you'll notice the 360 has substantially more ;)

*re-adjusts punching gloves*

Sales != Quality

Judging by your logic, High School Musical must be a great a film :rolleyes:

[The Joker]

Sales != Quality

Judging by your logic, High School Musical must be a great a film :rolleyes:

I just hurled my lungs out when I read that:eek:


Ok carry on fighting:D

[Dohc-WP]

* Eats big bowl of Popcorn *

[Lydon]

Sales != Quality

Judging by your logic, High School Musical must be a great a film :rolleyes:

To many it is. Just because you don't like it (as a result of not fitting in the target market), that doesn't mean others don't. Clearly it's the opposite.

Your argument is a little silly, considering millions of people wouldn't buy a terrible game. We're not talking about thousands...we're talking about millions. If the games were dirt cheap, then yes maybe, but the latest generation games simply aren't.

[The Joker]

To many it is. Just because you don't like it (as a result of not fitting in the target market), that doesn't mean others don't. Clearly it's the opposite.

Your argument is a little silly, considering millions of people wouldn't buy a terrible game. We're not talking about thousands...we're talking about millions. If the games were dirt cheap, then yes maybe, but the latest generation games simply aren't.

Good point mate;)

[phoenix]

He may have a point.

Xboxen do seem to die more often than PS3s do.

My friend's Box displayed the Red Ring of Death this weekend.

[Dohc-WP]

To many it is. Just because you don't like it (as a result of not fitting in the target market), that doesn't mean others don't. Clearly it's the opposite.

Your argument is a little silly, considering millions of people wouldn't buy a terrible game. We're not talking about thousands...we're talking about millions. If the games were dirt cheap, then yes maybe, but the latest generation games simply aren't.

throws Lydon with popcorn ! cause wot he says make sense.

[Solidus]

To many it is. Just because you don't like it (as a result of not fitting in the target market), that doesn't mean others don't. Clearly it's the opposite.

Your argument is a little silly, considering millions of people wouldn't buy a terrible game. We're not talking about thousands...we're talking about millions. If the games were dirt cheap, then yes maybe, but the latest generation games simply aren't.

My argument silly, oh no you have it wrong. Since when do the general public know whats good. They follow the hype train and that is where is M$ is king. Halo 3 had one of the biggest marketing campaigns ever seen and thats why it sold so many and it was actually weaker than Halo 2 as said by many. Millions of people DO buy terrible games, have you forgotten about a little thing called the Wii?????

So please if you going to use that argument, then the Wii pawns all. Bring me quality and not quantity.

[The Joker]

LMAO..I just had to post these pics!!
http://www.stevey666.co.uk/ps3grill/images/grillkut.jpg

http://ui11.gamespot.com/618/xbox_2.jpg

[Lydon]

My argument silly, oh no you have it wrong. Since when do the general public know whats good. They follow the hype train and that is where is M$ is king. Halo 3 had one of the biggest marketing campaigns ever seen and thats why it sold so many and it was actually weaker than Halo 2 as said by many. Millions of people DO buy terrible games, have you forgotten about a little thing called the Wii?????

So please if you going to use that argument, then the Wii pawns all. Bring me quality and not quantity.

You can't use Halo 3 as an example to prove your point, as it is an extreme example. One needs to look at things in context, and in this case Halo 3, as I said, is an extreme example of hype. If the simple answer to games selling so well is hype, why aren't Sony hyping their games much more? It would be a logical step, but clearly it's not the right step, as selling games simply isn't that easy. How have Microsoft managed to put together a list of 53 games that have sold over a million copies via pure hype and Sony only 19? Hype is clearly not the defining factor in Xbox games selling so well.

Secondly, with regards to the Wii - it's aimed at the casual gamer market. The Xbox and PS3 are aimed at more hardcore gamers. Simply have a look at the game libraries and you'll see that. The millions of people who buy Wii games most likely have no interest in the PS3 and Xbox libraries and vice versa. You, clearly, aren't a Wii fan, but you can't use your opinion on the Wii to summarise its library of games as "terrible," just because you don't like said games. Millions of people do!

[Dohc-WP]

My argument silly, oh no you have it wrong. Since when do the general public know whats good. They follow the hype train and that is where is M$ is king. Halo 3 had one of the biggest marketing campaigns ever seen and thats why it sold so many and it was actually weaker than Halo 2 as said by many. Millions of people DO buy terrible games, have you forgotten about a little thing called the Wii?????

So please if you going to use that argument, then the Wii pawns all. Bring me quality and not quantity.

Umm Kz2 was hyped even more than halo and look at those sales, it doesnt evedn compare to halo, have you ever though of the fact that halo is actually a good game, thats y its almost 2 years after release still on the top of the most played xbox live game.

[Solidus]

You can't use Halo 3 as an example to prove your point, as it is an extreme example. One needs to look at things in context, and in this case Halo 3, as I said, is an extreme example of hype. If the simple answer to games selling so well is hype, why aren't Sony hyping their games much more? It would be a logical step, but clearly it's not the right step, as selling games simply isn't that easy. How have Microsoft managed to put together a list of 53 games that have sold over a million copies via pure hype and Sony only 19? Hype is clearly not the defining factor in Xbox games selling so well.

Secondly, with regards to the Wii - it's aimed at the casual gamer market. The Xbox and PS3 are aimed at more hardcore gamers. Simply have a look at the game libraries and you'll see that. The millions of people who buy Wii games most likely have no interest in the PS3 and Xbox libraries and vice versa. You, clearly, aren't a Wii fan, but you can't use your opinion on the Wii to summarise its library of games as "terrible," just because you don't like said games. Millions of people do!

Halo 3 is one example and Gears 2 is another.
M$ pawns Sony when it comes to marketing their console and their games whereas Sony has just become complacent and relied on the Playstation name alone. Barring that, the 53 that have sold million, how many are exclusives and how many multi-plats? How many of those have general favourable reviews? The 360's bigger games library higher install base works in its favour not to mention the 2 and a half year head start and the shaky launch that the PS3 had.

As for the Wii, there are some good games on it but as we see they aren't really successful. Yes everyone knows its for the casual market but using sales in argument would have to include the Wii as it is 7th generation console regardless of what we all might think

[phoenix]

Good to see that this thread has become interesting again.

Solidus, what do you mean when you say that the good Wii games aren't really successful? Are you saying that they don't sell well?

What does it mean to say that a console us seventh generation? Is there not more to the evolution of consoles than just pretty graphics.Where to after photorealism has been achieved?

[iOverflow]

Face the facts, Ps3 sells badly and has a horrible Economic Structure, but it is new and has unwitnessed potential for gaming, so far
While Xbox is really at it's tip top level of gaming potential and is going to take a nose dive into economic failness due to the fact that it's going to eventually lose to ps3
So, Rather go for the ps3 because it is more new :)

[Solidus]

Good to see that this thread has become interesting again.

Solidus, what do you mean when you say that the good Wii games aren't really successful? Are you saying that they don't sell well?

What does it mean to say that a console us seventh generation? Is there not more to the evolution of consoles than just pretty graphics.Where to after photorealism has been achieved?

Yup the good games like Madworld don't really fair well on the Wii.
I don't see the upcoming The Conduit selling well on it either, if it aint Mario or Zelda it tends not to do so well. The consoles released from the year 2005 onwards are considered the 7th generation of consoles and right now we have the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3.

[Dohc-WP]

M$ pawns Sony when it comes to marketing their console and their games whereas Sony has just become complacent and relied on the Playstation name alone. Barring that, the 53 that have sold million, how many are exclusives and how many multi-plats? How many of those have general favourable reviews? The 360's bigger games library higher install base works in its favour not to mention the 2 and a half year head start and the shaky launch that the PS3 had.




Sony pawned Sega when they overhyped the ps2, looking at things its clear to see that the ps2 wasnt as advanced as sony overhyped it to be, remember alot of dreamcast killer games were cancelled due to sony hype. Half life, proppeller arena etc. Having an early launch and bigger library does not = success as we have seen with the dreamcast.

The reality is alot of people has stopped swallowing the lies that sony has fed them over the years and thats one of the reasons why the xbox is so successful, the original xbox could have easily won the console war but due to exclusivity deals sony had with most devs and ms only starting in the console industry alot of people were scepticle, but not anymore as we can see

[The Joker]

Im so proud of all of you..hehe. My little fighters going at it..lol!!
Well im not getting involved cause I love both my consoles and that won't be changing any time soon!!

[Solidus]

Sony pawned Sega when they overhyped the ps2, looking at things its clear to see that the ps2 wasnt as advanced as sony overhyped it to be, remember alot of dreamcast killer games were cancelled due to sony hype. Half life, proppeller arena etc. Having an early launch and bigger library does not = success as we have seen with the dreamcast.

The reality is alot of people has stopped swallowing the lies that sony has fed them over the years and thats one of the reasons why the xbox is so successful, the original xbox could have easily won the console war but due to exclusivity deals sony had with most devs and ms only starting in the console industry alot of people were scepticle, but not anymore as we can see

In M$ case it does, with the PS2 Sony at least had some good games at launch. Whereas the PS3 had little games at the start and most not even system sellers. The 360 just had momentum going and M$ knew this hence the heavy marketing behind their new console.You said it yourself hyping up PS2 killed the Dreamcast and M$ took a lesson from that. They hit hard and fast not giving a Sony chance, they done what Sony done with Nintendo when the PSX hit stole exclusives from it like Final Fantasy.

[Dohc-WP]

In M$ case it does, with the PS2 Sony at least had some good games at launch. Whereas the PS3 had little games at the start and most not even system sellers. The 360 just had momentum going and M$ knew this hence the heavy marketing behind their new console.You said it yourself hyping up PS2 killed the Dreamcast and M$ took a lesson from that. They hit hard and fast not giving a Sony chance, they done what Sony done with Nintendo when the PSX hit stole exclusives from it like Final Fantasy.

What im saying is ms didnt overhype the specs of the 360 like sony did with the ps3 (they claimed the ps3 was the second coming, the same way they did with the ps2) they claimed the ps2 was a hundred times faster than the Dreamcast and it wasnt ! the same with the ps3 they claimed it was going to be so much faster than anything else and yet the 360 and the ps3 is neck and neck graphically, the same way the dreamcast was neck and neck with the ps2

[Solidus]

What im saying is ms didnt overhype the specs of the 360 like sony did with the ps3 (they claimed the ps3 was the second coming, the same way they did with the ps2) they claimed the ps2 was a hundred times faster than the Dreamcast and it wasnt ! the same with the ps3 they claimed it was going to be so much faster than anything else and yet the 360 and the ps3 is neck and neck graphically, the same way the dreamcast was neck and neck with the ps2

Ah yes in that aspect you are correct. Then again if M$ overhyped their console specs they'd be laughed at cause of the RROD debacle :D
At least they not using cheap Chana parts in their consoles now :rolleyes:

[Lydon]

Halo 3 is one example and Gears 2 is another.
M$ pawns Sony when it comes to marketing their console and their games whereas Sony has just become complacent and relied on the Playstation name alone. Barring that, the 53 that have sold million, how many are exclusives and how many multi-plats? How many of those have general favourable reviews? The 360's bigger games library higher install base works in its favour not to mention the 2 and a half year head start and the shaky launch that the PS3 had.

As for the Wii, there are some good games on it but as we see they aren't really successful. Yes everyone knows its for the casual market but using sales in argument would have to include the Wii as it is 7th generation console regardless of what we all might think

You've still only managed to mention two games that are apparently overhyped. Can you remember the huuuuge hype around Killzone 2 and how it was slated as the PS3's saviour etc? To be completely and utterly honest I heard more about Killzone prior to release than I did of Halo, yet it's sales haven't even touched that of what we were lead to believe they would. I do agree that Sony's marketing department needs a serious wake-up call, but that is all part of the package and Microsoft are clearly attracting developers to their platform because they've proven that they are willing to market their games and as a result they sell well. Everyone wins.

Now with regards to the 50+ games that have sold over a million, I really am not going through the list one by one but why is it an issue if a game is not an exclusive? Surely the fact that people are choosing the 360 version over the PS3 version on multiplat games is therefore even more worrying? I'll give you the fact that the 360 had a good headstart, but if anyone had a shaky start it was the 360 because of trying to get that headstart. RROD anyone? Yet despite that the console is still outselling the PS3 worldwide and has owned it in the software sales department.

And in conclusion...back to the Wii, yes it is a console from this generation but I still don't think it can be compared to the 360 and PS3. It's aimed at a completely different market despite it being a 7th gen console. It's like the difference between using a laptop and a netbook. Both are current-gen systems, but they're aimed at different markets. The laptops in question would be the 360 and PS3, whilst the less feature-rich netbooks would be the Wii. Different markets, different features.

I used to be a huge Sony fan. I was so stoked for the PS3 and planned on getting one come hell or high water, but they've really disappointed me this generation. They underestimated both the Xbox and the Wii and now they're scrambling to play catch-up.