And games get blamed for violence again

[AntiThesis]

Berlin - German retailer Kaufhof will no longer sell violent video games and films, after a teenager - who was an avid gamer - shot dead 15 people before killing himself last week, the firm said on Wednesday.

"On the basis of what happened in Winnenden, we have decided to take all the games and films deemed unsuitable for below 18 year olds out of our product range," Kaufhof spokesperson Sonja Kittel told AFP.

"The products which we now have in the stores will be sold until the end of March but by April the sales will be stopped all together," Kittel said.

Thomas Burkhart, director of Kaufhof's media department, said within an hour of the decision, most of the games had been removed from the shelves.

Source n More (http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2487785,00.html)

So this guy is a moron and no Kaufhof no longer sells violent games. Fantastic news for the other retailers.

[Pr⊕phet]

yes apparently it was cs first, but now they changed it to farcry2...

...books, scrolls, tapes, movies, cave paintings, music, comics; you name it- have had the blame since the beginning of time.

[Magnarmalok]

Does this mean I can blame Barbie for rape?

[AntiThesis]

It's getting to be insane. When retailers take the inevitable knock to their sales just to placate some people who are in a tizzy it goes over the edge.

[Voicy]

"who was an avid gamer"

You know ... news papers who do not have proper stories and have to resort to thinking up garbage like this to get on the "games are bad" bandwagon _REALLY_ grind my tits.

Using the exact same logic, the following statement rings true as well:


Bread is bad for you.

Prove it? Sure!

- 100% of violent criminals eat bread.
- 10 000/10 000 drunk drivers were reported to have consumed bread within 3 days of their accidents
- A census showed that every time a student fails a test, it occurred within 24 hours of eating bread.
- 100% of people developing lung cancer consumed bread throughout at least 50% of their childhood.
- 100% of suicides recorded in 2007 were by people who ate bread on a daily basis.
- 100% of divorced families were in possession of bread in their houses.
- Every recorded commercial airline crash had trace amounts of bread on board.

There you have it folks.

I mean really now ... sure the kid PLAYED games... even a lot of it. But if they want to point a finger at gaming, I want them to perform a study where a perfectly sane kid goes mental after playing games & watching violent movies for 5 years. Until then...

STFU!

[AntiThesis]

Voicy - thanks. That'll work as a blog for me :D A mild rant on anti-game bandwaggonery.

[Voicy]

I want royalties! Royalties I say!

Royalties and/or cookies :D

[AntiThesis]

Howabout the words "A bloke on the intertubes posted an interesting example"? :p

[Voicy]

Howabout the words "A bloke on the intertubes posted an interesting example"? :p

That'll do ... but only if you exaggerate on the size of my awesomeness. :D

[Dohc-WP]

Errr........... looks sees nothing interesting ! moves on

[AntiThesis]

I'll do that :D

Tomorrow though :p I've already blogged tonight.

[Voicy]

nerd. ijokeijoke!

[The Joker]

OMG
Blaming games again..I wonder why they don't blame zimbabwe on games..Im sure Mugabe playes sim city!!
FFS this pisses me off!!

[Isengard]

Oh noez, how can they blame gamez? This is setting a precedent for more such claims!

Oh wait, this happened before...

[Dohc-WP]

OMG
Blaming games again..I wonder why they don't blame zimbabwe on games..Im sure Mugabe playes sim city!!
FFS this pisses me off!!

And BinLaden has the most frags in Cod 4 :p

[Voicy]

The thing is this:

If they blame the parents - they face a serious reality of getting their asses sued for defamation of character. However (comma) if they blame tv-games, they are safe AND it draws more readers.

Someone remind me to kick the next journalist I see in the panty :mad:

[The Joker]

The thing is this:

If they blame the parents - they face a serious reality of getting their asses sued for defamation of character. However (comma) if they blame tv-games, they are safe AND it draws more readers.

Someone remind me to kick the next journalist I see in the panty :mad:

These twaddling ass wipes cause millions in damages (lost revenue) by writting such pathetic lies...The gaming companies should sue the news paper and journo:mad:

[mcryan]

This is always a big load of crap. No one can blame a game for some idiot kid killing someone. The game might have had some influence, but no more influence than the movies he watches, the things he reads, etc.

And even still, the cause of this is not media in any case. Dig a little deeper and the kid will probably be on all sorts of medication and drugs to "help" him.

[Dohc-WP]

Remember the stir Manhunt 2 caused before it was released and GTA IV

[The Joker]

Remember the stir Manhunt 2 caused before it was released and GTA IV

Yeah..look those are violent games and im sure those games would have some effect on younger children and teens(hence the 18+).
So it is the parents that should be held accountable because they purchase the games for the kids..Stop holding the damn gaming companies accountable for bad parenting!!

[Dohc-WP]

Yeah..look those are violent games and im sure those games would have some effect on younger children and teens(hence the 18+).
So it is the parents that should be held accountable because they purchase the games for the kids..Stop holding the damn gaming companies accountable for bad parenting!!

Exactly and yet some forumites (Hardcore ps3 fanboiz I wont mention their names) feel proud that their 7 year olds play kz2 and Cod 4 online and resistance FOM etc.

[Shamrock]

Wrong reason. Stop trying to blame bad behavior on other things.

[Isengard]

Stop defending the games. It's clearly the games fault that the world is the way it is today. Ban all games and buy a Wii!

[lilDeath]

Same old.
Same old.
Whatever. Do. They. Know.

[Dragonic]

Same old.
Same old.
Whatever. Do. They. Know.

Agreed. I'm not even gonna bother reading the article.
heard this over the radio last week and when they mentioned about him being a avid gamer I thought "here we go again"

[sycogrim]

I dont get it....... the media and the people repsonsible for the crimes committed are always the first to blame violent games.... I think its F-ed up as you never see the Media actually having a go at the game and seeing if the person actually tried in anyway to re inact that specific game he was playin prior to the incident... These okes can jump to the quickest conclusions ever because they are too F-ing lazy to actually solve a proper crime instead they go straight to his PC and say "oh look hes been playin Man Hunt, and he extremely twisted"...... What about the majority of us playing these violent games you dont see us going around and killing of innocent people because we dont have a reason to and shouldn't have a reason.... the oke that shot those 15 people had clearly been planning something like that for a long time and it just pisses me off that the Media are so quick to turn our world around into something out of Equilibrium.... and to have everyone thinking on one straight line...

If i had the right mind I would get every single gamer whether ur female/male goth,emo jock nerd.... whatever and I would put them in front of the media and k@k them out as they have no right to generalise and blame us gamers and the games we play for the twisted people we have living amoungst us in our societies today.... This is why I F-ing hate the Media bcoz its all full of Lies and BS I dont read news papers or watch the news anymore bcoz they are so quick to point fingers without actually looking at what originally caused the problem...

They should have looked at his background to start off with and the people he hung around, he could have been abused or sexually assaulted, games dont do that to you people do that to you....

Sorry its just my oppinion and it pisses me off how the media blames us gamers most of the time for these shootings that have been going on lately... and trying to twist whats really happenin within their own societies. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[weakest_link]

i learnt to drive on my ps2 :P

bwahahahahahaha

[sycogrim]

i learnt to drive on my ps2 :P

bwahahahahahaha

lol.... but think about it.... it doesnt mean ur gonna turn ur car into a burnout scenario and start pushing cars off bridges and stuff.... am i right or am i right???

[Pyr0]

I play violent games, I drink, I listen to SlipKnot....

Do you see me going around slashing the shit out of someone? There was a few times that i considered it, but not due to the fact that the games or music made me do it. It was due to the fact that the SPECIFIC victim made me befok.

I hate it when people blame games :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[weakest_link]

lol.... but think about it.... it doesnt mean ur gonna turn ur car into a burnout scenario and start pushing cars off bridges and stuff.... am i right or am i right???

hmmmmm need a bigger car for that ... tazz doesnt cut it :(

[sycogrim]

Well as i say this media is pushing me to a point where im gonna start sueing them for generalising and as they are pretty much saying that all gamers are violent and are the first to walk out onto the street and start killing people...

[Dragonic]

I dont get it....... the media and the people repsonsible for the crimes committed are always the first to blame violent games.... I think its F-ed up as you never see the Media actually having a go at the game and seeing if the person actually tried in anyway to re inact that specific game he was playin prior to the incident... These okes can jump to the quickest conclusions ever because they are too F-ing lazy to actually solve a proper crime instead they go straight to his PC and say "oh look hes been playin Man Hunt, and he extremely twisted"...... What about the majority of us playing these violent games you dont see us going around and killing of innocent people because we dont have a reason to and shouldn't have a reason.... the oke that shot those 15 people had clearly been planning something like that for a long time and it just pisses me off that the Media are so quick to turn our world around into something out of Equilibrium.... and to have everyone thinking on one straight line...

If i had the right mind I would get every single gamer whether ur female/male goth,emo jock nerd.... whatever and I would put them in front of the media and k@k them out as they have no right to generalise and blame us gamers and the games we play for the twisted people we have living amoungst us in our societies today.... This is why I F-ing hate the Media bcoz its all full of Lies and BS I dont read news papers or watch the news anymore bcoz they are so quick to point fingers without actually looking at what originally caused the problem...

They should have looked at his background to start off with and the people he hung around, he could have been abused or sexually assaulted, games dont do that to you people do that to you....

Sorry its just my oppinion and it pisses me off how the media blames us gamers most of the time for these shootings that have been going on lately... and trying to twist whats really happenin within their own societies. :mad: :mad: :mad:

ROFL Nicely put bro.
HAHA We must organize a massive debate between gamers and anti-game journalists and people like Jack Thompson.

LOL I LOVE violent games(and Destruction Derby Games), but I've never even been in a fight, LOL stupid people.

[sycogrim]

ROFL Nicely put bro.
HAHA We must organize a massive debate between gamers and anti-game journalists and people like Jack Thompson.

LOL I LOVE violent games(and Destruction Derby Games), but I've never even been in a fight, LOL stupid people.

Thanks dude.... but im so close to hunting that company down and taking them for all they are worth.... and then donating it to the gaming industry... :D

[AntiThesis]

hmmmmm need a bigger car for that ... tazz doesnt cut it :(

1.) Load Tazz with Nitroglycerin.
2.) Accelerate
3.) Brake hard.

:p

[Dasher]

gives me a idea,Manhunt 3 media edition,find all the ppl who blame games and hunt them down,warning:not for ppl from the media.

[Keldarza]

Amazing that no-one points out the internet... you can find alot more disturbing things online that you will ever find in a game [you can buy off the shelf].

[HANDsolo]

Father of psychotic teen, Billy*, speaks out: "I don't understand how this could have happened. He went through a bad period, a few months back, when word got out at school that I sexually molested him repeatedly when he was a child. He was constantly being teased and mocked by the other students and would come home in tears. I would beat him and verbally abuse him like any father would a son who was acting like a baby. I would beat his mother in front of him to show him how his behaviour was damaging this family in the hopes that it would set him right. This wasn't helping at all so I bought him a game called Counterstrike and gave him my dad's rifle from the World War 2 and took him regularly to the firing range to train him to be a man. I showed him that shooting things was the best way to overcome your fears and to clear your mind. He seemed to be enjoying our time together. If I had known that, that d@mn game would have turned my little Tim into such a monster, I would never have allowed him to play it. I don't understand how they could allow such filth to be sold!? We never saw this coming."*

* Not father's real name
* This quote was made up

[sycogrim]

Father of psychotic teen, Billy*, speaks out: "I don't understand how this could have happened. He went through a bad period, a few months back, when word got out at school that I sexually molested him repeatedly when he was a child. He was constantly being teased and mocked by the other students and would come home in tears. I would beat him and verbally abuse him like any father would a son who was acting like a baby. I would beat his mother in front of him to show him how his behaviour was damaging this family in the hopes that it would set him right. This wasn't helping at all so I bought him a game called Counterstrike and gave him my dad's rifle from the World War 2 and took him regularly to the firing range to train him to be a man. I showed him that shooting things was the best way to overcome your fears and to clear your mind. He seemed to be enjoying our time together. If I had known that, that d@mn game would have turned my little Tim into such a monster, I would never have allowed him to play it. I don't understand how they could allow such filth to be sold!? We never saw this coming."*

* Not father's real name
* This quote was made up

did you type this out????

[The Joker]

I dont get it....... the media and the people repsonsible for the crimes committed are always the first to blame violent games.... I think its F-ed up as you never see the Media actually having a go at the game and seeing if the person actually tried in anyway to re inact that specific game he was playin prior to the incident... These okes can jump to the quickest conclusions ever because they are too F-ing lazy to actually solve a proper crime instead they go straight to his PC and say "oh look hes been playin Man Hunt, and he extremely twisted"...... What about the majority of us playing these violent games you dont see us going around and killing of innocent people because we dont have a reason to and shouldn't have a reason.... the oke that shot those 15 people had clearly been planning something like that for a long time and it just pisses me off that the Media are so quick to turn our world around into something out of Equilibrium.... and to have everyone thinking on one straight line...

If i had the right mind I would get every single gamer whether ur female/male goth,emo jock nerd.... whatever and I would put them in front of the media and k@k them out as they have no right to generalise and blame us gamers and the games we play for the twisted people we have living amoungst us in our societies today.... This is why I F-ing hate the Media bcoz its all full of Lies and BS I dont read news papers or watch the news anymore bcoz they are so quick to point fingers without actually looking at what originally caused the problem...

They should have looked at his background to start off with and the people he hung around, he could have been abused or sexually assaulted, games dont do that to you people do that to you....

Sorry its just my oppinion and it pisses me off how the media blames us gamers most of the time for these shootings that have been going on lately... and trying to twist whats really happenin within their own societies. :mad: :mad: :mad:

I totally agree with you Mr Sycogrim
I can't stand this bullshit"let's blame it on video games"
These journo's are a bunch of no neck braindead retards, they should be held liable for all the lost revenue generated by their crap articles!!

[Isengard]

I stopped getting upset about this kind of thing a long time ago. It's going to go on for as long as there are games and people who get web site hits, tv viewers or newspaper sales for it. So long as people like Jack Thompson end up getting their just deserts I'll be content.

[Eniigma]

I agree with you syco, its not the violent video games fault. Its all the people that type like bcoz and tx and "u r going 2 luv this" that will cause us all to go postal and break out the automatic weapons.

While I am only joking, I'm only really half joking. I personally really can't handle that kind of ling /typing whatever you call it. It's one of my personal peeves. But its also just as likely to cause me to co postal as paying GTA or counterstrike or whatever violent game of choice. The actual chances of either of those causing me to go postal.... 0 zero, zip, nil, nada.

[sycogrim]

thats why if you think about it if I for example had to go to those Media companies i could take them for all they are worth seeing as they are not only generalising but they are pretty much saying that all gamers are syco's and stuff and should be locked up... they are also saying.... lets use me for an example: they are saying im crazy and wanna kill people i see and then kill myself.... thats how those stories portray themselves and if you think about it anyone if not everyone can sue as it is individual insults and generalisation/false accusations thrown towards us as gamers...

[AntiThesis]

I think the fact that it is very general (and they try to keep it like that) would make it harder to sue or get anything productive done that way.

[Grimspoon]

Violent games and movie will always be to blame, ignorant dumb people out there need to blame something / someone.

[Solidus]

Alcohol has killed more people than games and I don't see that getting banned.
People are just plain ignorant in general have no one to blame but themselves

[HANDsolo]

did you type this out????

Yes I did. Your post was longer. Anywayz, it's just one small step towards the 200 post mark. This is another.

[AntiThesis]

Shameless padding :D

@Isen: I don't think we should ever stop getting upset about it. If we do then there are no voices of dissension. No good that.

[sycogrim]

Yes I did. Your post was longer. Anywayz, it's just one small step towards the 200 post mark. This is another.

Oh ok so u pretty much put it into plain text for me :D


Shameless padding :D

@Isen: I don't think we should ever stop getting upset about it. If we do then there are no voices of dissension. No good that.

Yeh true that we gotta fight for our right to play games without people giving us hell about what we should and should not having in our lives....

[HANDsolo]

Why can't people see that this, and most other similar incidents, was just a suicide. There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that go down quietly and those that want to take their tormenters down with them. This was the latter. Stop giving people like this guns!!

[Cay-9]

games get blamed music gets blamed whats the world coming to

[AntiThesis]

Blame the parents :) Bad parenting = messed up kids. That's about it.

[Dragonic]

Why can't people see that this, and most other similar incidents, was just a suicide. There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that go down quietly and those that want to take their tormenters down with them. This was the latter. Stop giving people like this guns!!

QFT.

Plus games actually helps you to let out some stress. Then you can take out your stress on people, aliens, zombies and even cars, that aren't real. Because any NORMAL person would know that doing the stuff they see in games is not acceptable in the real world, even if you are a little kid.

[AntiThesis]

Games as stress relief is something else entirely but yeah, they are useful for it :D Nothing like killing Hitler to get rid of a headache.

[HANDsolo]

In any case, If I had to go on a suicidal rampage it will be an epic FAIL. I don't own a gun, I don't know where to get one quickly and I don't want to wait to get one legally. Best I could do would be to take out my 9 Iron and swing it violently at people. But, then that would get the sport of golf banned. I got nothing against golf. Stop giving these people guns!!

[AntiThesis]

Hmm... perhaps you could do some chaos with a croquet mallet? Always hated croquet.

[AntiThesis]

Just for you voicy: http://robsramblings.co.za/?p=47

[sycogrim]

Just for you voicy: http://robsramblings.co.za/?p=47

and i get left out :( lol... just kiddin :p

[HANDsolo]

When am I going to get quoted in the media!?

[AntiThesis]

When I'm I going to get quoted in the media!?

When you give me a good quote :D

[Voicy]

Just for you voicy: http://robsramblings.co.za/?p=47

bwhahahahahahaha! AWESOME!

Glad you could make use of it though...

[AntiThesis]

Well thankee for the quote :) :D

I foresee this forum being the source of many blog posts.

[wizdumb]

- i play violent games
- i listen to hardcore/metal music
- i watch horror movies
- i drink alcohol
- i suffer from roadrage (ok just towards incompetent taxi-drivers)

and yet i don't kill or mutilate my fellow human beings, or any living animal for that matter.

i think its just easier for the media and others to blame other mediums rather than the person themelves, and maybe then their parents and then the school and maybe their church. people must be held responsible for their own actions imo

[Eniigma]

I thought it was Oxygen that was the cause of all this. It's rumoured that 100% of all violent and even the non-violent criminals where on Oxygen at the time they committed all their crimes...

[Wenzdayz]

i thought it was oxygen that was the cause of all this. It's rumoured that 100% of all violent and even the non-violent criminals where on oxygen at the time they committed all their crimes...

rofl :d:d:d

[Grimspoon]

They need someone to blame, and the obvious group to blame would be the guys making / playing / selling violent video games. Typical ignorant mankind.