Neo Sibeko
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Hi to you all.
I only signed up here because of a post that was made here sometime last year and sadly I never knew about it so I never got a chance to respond. I believe the particular grievance was about my selecting the P2770HD as the Dream Machine Monitor. We replaced the T260 because of various reasons; one of the major ones being that the T260 was EOL meaning you just can't buy a new one anymore.
There's no point in having a dream machine rig based on parts that don't exist in the channel. As for the P2770HD, I liked the fact that it had a Tuner, it had a remote, it had a better image processor than the T260, it had speakers that sound ok and best of all its 16:9. I understand that you lose a good 120 pixels on the vertical but substrates are now being made in those aspect ratios universally so they can target, the PC, business and entertainment segments.
We may not like it, but sadly that's what it has become. Now in the context of the PC, the 120 pixels more don't really do much for you, you want a finer image use MSAA, and if you want an even better image use AA with sub pixel accuracy and AA in alpha channels (basically transparency AA and other enhancements from both AMD and NVIDIA). That can give you the same image sharpness if not better actually (no crawling)
Ideally the monitor I would want is a 27" 3D Vision certified monitor, however making panels that quick at such a size is hard but there's one recently announced from Acer (HN274H). At the time of electing the P2770HD there were no LED backlit monitors of that size and every other monitor was 1920x1080 as well but smaller.
That is the reason I picked that as the Dream machine Monitor. You could have just asked instead of calling me out on a Forum I was not aware of.
Now to deal with those who would question my understanding of all things technical in the context of NAG. I'll never claim to now everything, I don't. In fact there are many (thousands if not hundreds of thousands) who would run circles around me and I've spoken with various people from all over the world from designers to engineers at various firms, who talk straight above me head on many occasions. It is the nature of the industry and one that makes us strive to get better. I will continue to learn where I can and hope it never stops.
However for the NAG target audience, I cannot and am not able to engage in detailed discussions of most products for a number of reasons. (1) We have limited real estate, (reviews are usually 600 to 1,200 words at most) (2) The detailed stuff is not in any way relevant to the average NAG reader. (3) I see more pieces of hardware a week than most will in a year, that is just how it goes and there just isn't time to get into the detail and once again, what does it mean to you the reader.
For instance, on a single motherboard review we can test basic efficiency in several synthetic tests. We can test Spi 1M, 32M efficiency, PLX vs NF200 switching chips, test the performance difference between the AST multiplexing chips on the native CPU PCH on SB or NB on the X58 platform for example. Either way there are profiling tools available for this that do allow such tests. We can then test the auto tuning of secondary or tertiary IMC settings when you change primary settings. We can test the difference between BIOS revisions.
We can test, the SNR on on baord audio controllers, THD, cross-talk etc.
We can test and probably write an entire 10~20 pages on just the PWM/VRM configuration of most motherboards, their drivers, Digital vs Analogue PWMs, their switching rates, efficiency at 300, 500, at 800 and above 1MHz, VRD12 implementations (actually refer to www.theoverclocker.com Issue 9 – It’s a magazine that I own and run
. We can test the thermal tolerances, ripple, LLC implementation across manufacturers and between boards from the same manufacturer. We can test many a thing that we don't because I'm aware who I'm writing for and what really matters.
Now we can also test Bclk limits, RAM clock limits, PCI-E clock limits, we can go as far as to do all mods needed to boost any of these. We can test sub-zero degrees using DICE or LN2, Water or Air and then compare the electronics efficiency at each of those points. There are many things we can test, but I don't do that. It is not because I can't, it's simply meaningless to you.
Here's what you don't know, boards like the X58A-UD9, ASUS Rampage III Extreme and the Black, MSI Big Bang X-Power, X58A-OC, X58A-UD7 Rev 2.0, Crosshair 4 Extreme, EVGA Classified 760, Sapphire Pure Black X58, and such. These are not gaming motherboards; no they are overclocking products and at that - extreme overclocking products. In a gaming context there's not much to talk about, it'll make virtually no difference which one you buy, but for their intended audience it’s the difference between spending 30L of LN2 and 50L chasing down the last 50MHz.
The same goes for graphics cards, Gigabyte's SOC or ASUS’s DirectCUII line isn't about a stock overclock, it's about a stronger VRM, NEC proadlizer Caps, that can help clean our power and maintain loads of juice to the core. Its why those cards will do 1.5GHZ (Asus GTX580 CUII) in the hands of a legendary overclocker like Sham and why reference units will not make the speed.
All that Asus poured into their CUII 580 and a 10MHz factory overclock isn't to look nice in your case, it's to break records. Do not easily brush aside what the overclocking community which I am part of does it’s allot more important than you could imagine. You call it mere tinkering, ïŠ
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Finally @ Tank: Good to see this is what you say on other forums, if I've been wrong on something bring facts, point me out and lets have at it. I speak what I know as fact. If you think I have a fan base call them out. Problem is I can't have a debate with you because you are lacking technically as a fan and as an aspiring overclocker. If you beg to differ lets have at it, but going on other forums and bad mouthing me won't change those two things. I'm always willing to learn if you feel you can school me
I only signed up here because of a post that was made here sometime last year and sadly I never knew about it so I never got a chance to respond. I believe the particular grievance was about my selecting the P2770HD as the Dream Machine Monitor. We replaced the T260 because of various reasons; one of the major ones being that the T260 was EOL meaning you just can't buy a new one anymore.
There's no point in having a dream machine rig based on parts that don't exist in the channel. As for the P2770HD, I liked the fact that it had a Tuner, it had a remote, it had a better image processor than the T260, it had speakers that sound ok and best of all its 16:9. I understand that you lose a good 120 pixels on the vertical but substrates are now being made in those aspect ratios universally so they can target, the PC, business and entertainment segments.
We may not like it, but sadly that's what it has become. Now in the context of the PC, the 120 pixels more don't really do much for you, you want a finer image use MSAA, and if you want an even better image use AA with sub pixel accuracy and AA in alpha channels (basically transparency AA and other enhancements from both AMD and NVIDIA). That can give you the same image sharpness if not better actually (no crawling)
Ideally the monitor I would want is a 27" 3D Vision certified monitor, however making panels that quick at such a size is hard but there's one recently announced from Acer (HN274H). At the time of electing the P2770HD there were no LED backlit monitors of that size and every other monitor was 1920x1080 as well but smaller.
That is the reason I picked that as the Dream machine Monitor. You could have just asked instead of calling me out on a Forum I was not aware of.
Now to deal with those who would question my understanding of all things technical in the context of NAG. I'll never claim to now everything, I don't. In fact there are many (thousands if not hundreds of thousands) who would run circles around me and I've spoken with various people from all over the world from designers to engineers at various firms, who talk straight above me head on many occasions. It is the nature of the industry and one that makes us strive to get better. I will continue to learn where I can and hope it never stops.
However for the NAG target audience, I cannot and am not able to engage in detailed discussions of most products for a number of reasons. (1) We have limited real estate, (reviews are usually 600 to 1,200 words at most) (2) The detailed stuff is not in any way relevant to the average NAG reader. (3) I see more pieces of hardware a week than most will in a year, that is just how it goes and there just isn't time to get into the detail and once again, what does it mean to you the reader.
For instance, on a single motherboard review we can test basic efficiency in several synthetic tests. We can test Spi 1M, 32M efficiency, PLX vs NF200 switching chips, test the performance difference between the AST multiplexing chips on the native CPU PCH on SB or NB on the X58 platform for example. Either way there are profiling tools available for this that do allow such tests. We can then test the auto tuning of secondary or tertiary IMC settings when you change primary settings. We can test the difference between BIOS revisions.
We can test, the SNR on on baord audio controllers, THD, cross-talk etc.
We can test and probably write an entire 10~20 pages on just the PWM/VRM configuration of most motherboards, their drivers, Digital vs Analogue PWMs, their switching rates, efficiency at 300, 500, at 800 and above 1MHz, VRD12 implementations (actually refer to www.theoverclocker.com Issue 9 – It’s a magazine that I own and run
. We can test the thermal tolerances, ripple, LLC implementation across manufacturers and between boards from the same manufacturer. We can test many a thing that we don't because I'm aware who I'm writing for and what really matters. Now we can also test Bclk limits, RAM clock limits, PCI-E clock limits, we can go as far as to do all mods needed to boost any of these. We can test sub-zero degrees using DICE or LN2, Water or Air and then compare the electronics efficiency at each of those points. There are many things we can test, but I don't do that. It is not because I can't, it's simply meaningless to you.
Here's what you don't know, boards like the X58A-UD9, ASUS Rampage III Extreme and the Black, MSI Big Bang X-Power, X58A-OC, X58A-UD7 Rev 2.0, Crosshair 4 Extreme, EVGA Classified 760, Sapphire Pure Black X58, and such. These are not gaming motherboards; no they are overclocking products and at that - extreme overclocking products. In a gaming context there's not much to talk about, it'll make virtually no difference which one you buy, but for their intended audience it’s the difference between spending 30L of LN2 and 50L chasing down the last 50MHz.
The same goes for graphics cards, Gigabyte's SOC or ASUS’s DirectCUII line isn't about a stock overclock, it's about a stronger VRM, NEC proadlizer Caps, that can help clean our power and maintain loads of juice to the core. Its why those cards will do 1.5GHZ (Asus GTX580 CUII) in the hands of a legendary overclocker like Sham and why reference units will not make the speed.
All that Asus poured into their CUII 580 and a 10MHz factory overclock isn't to look nice in your case, it's to break records. Do not easily brush aside what the overclocking community which I am part of does it’s allot more important than you could imagine. You call it mere tinkering, ïŠ
==================================================================
Personal:
Finally @ Tank: Good to see this is what you say on other forums, if I've been wrong on something bring facts, point me out and lets have at it. I speak what I know as fact. If you think I have a fan base call them out. Problem is I can't have a debate with you because you are lacking technically as a fan and as an aspiring overclocker. If you beg to differ lets have at it,
but going on other forums and bad mouthing me won't change those two things. I'm always willing to learn if you feel you can school me
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