Dota 2

_Caboose_ said:
I thought above 50% win rate was the norm O.o

Also on the pudge topic, not necessarily , theres quite a few heroes that i have actually never played or just plain suck at, only played invoker on bots, never played skywrath mage, and i absolutely SUCK at rubick. and thats with about 600 games lol
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yeah but i get his point too if you know you suck with a hero rather dotn play him unless you 5 stacking
 
oltman said:
i think reporting a player for playing badly, especially if he is not doing it on purpose and is just new, is the lamest thing to do. rather try and help the guy by giving tips and advice. thats better than just insulting, aggravating and humiliating him. this is a team game on more levels than just "my team must win". its about playing together, helping each other out and having a good time.

when i play and i get flamed like that, my first reaction is to laugh and tell the guy i am trying my best. if it persists i will act stupid just to annoy the guy further. i will NOT let anyone ruin my good time by calling me out.
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Nah dude, kyk hier. This is how it works: You get to a certain skill bracket by playing games, getting experience (literally) and learning how the game REALLY works. Once you're in a certain high skill bracket, people put in those games you play will mostly be very experienced players.

Now, there are certain things you do not do. As most dota players will know after plenty of games, you instinctively learn where you should not be wandering around at certain times of the game. For instance, all the towers of your team has been dropped and the map is now covered in fog of war. Pushing a lane far into enemy territory by yourself is just asking to be ganked so hard that you will melt in 1 second.

I see players doing that all the time. In fact, we had a guy playing in our team that fed a pudge a heart, forcestaff and ethereal blade in 30 mins. He was about 1 - 15 by that time, and then he proceeds to push lanes by himself and gets pooooned super hardcore by their team every time, no matter how many times we tell him not go to by himself. Each time his excuse will be "Shut up dude, this hero is hard".

Please explain to me how a hero that's hard to play equates to you feeding their whole team in addition to going on your own mission well over countless times, dying and feeding even more and then explaining yourself with such a lame excuse such as "This hero is hard". He had no interest in playing with the team as we were always together without him while he was out getting pooned. The worst part about it was his attitude. He was unwilling to accept advice and he was constantly telling us to shut up whilst trying to communicate with him.

TL;DR We reported him for intentional feeding.

And that's why I think people that play like tards, should, in this case be reported because a person like this WILL spoil the experience for the other four members in his/her team.

/rant

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I'm with Oltman on this. You don't report someone for playing badly. If the person just right clicks the enemy's fountain, that's another story. But in general, everyone has an off day. Everyone has heroes they're bad at. How are they going to improve if they are only "allowed" to play those they are familiar with.
 
I must say i have not played dota in a long time.... before #2 was release, and when i started to play it again i sucked big time. But the atmosphere in the games were crap. People were mean and just because i die 10 times + in a game they shit themselves. I think i'm still a lvl 1 player as i have stopped playing the game. I would rather play LoL.
 
You must remember that dota does not have surrender so its not like lol where one character gets op you can just surrender.dota you have to wait an hour for the winning team to get all the items they want before they will actually finish.
 
InSanity said:
yeah but i get his point too if you know you suck with a hero rather dotn play him unless you 5 stacking
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Its more for the lols actually, say for games with SD u dont really have a choice of which hero u get (cant swap in SD) i mean sometimes i play as Rubick to try to learn, people say play against bots, however if you already understand the fundamentals of a hero, playing against bots is pretty much useless. The only way to improve (and properly) is to play against real people as a bot becomes way to predictable.

Also theres the situation of the match making being completely messed, im currently level 33, i get joined up with a guys level 33ish as well but we up against level 80s...

There is no way with the current setup to be put in a match with a hero u want to learn without people bitching, what they should rather do is go maybe the way LoL went (this will only work with AP) is to pick your character before hand and then match you up with people of equal skill level as the character they selected.

So say i pick skywrath for the first time, it then finds people that are also playing characters for the 1st time.

tl;dr : matchmaking needs to be reworked
 
I disagree generally with reporting peeps for playing badly, especially after playing a 1st time chen (worst Chen ever played, seriously, I broke all sorts of records that night, ask InSanity) in Single Draft mode (all the heroes were heroes I'd never played, Chen being the only support). Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a reasonably good support (my primary role in most games), but that game was purely horrible and I was probably (scratch the probability, there's no doubt :o) the reason we lost that game. Now, I have a 53.26% win rate (196 wins vs 172 losses), which would mean that I'm somewhat experienced.

So how does a player with some level of experience fail that badly regardless of the fact that he or she's playing a hero for the 1st time?

Sometimes people need to remember, that the mindset of the lowest common denominator in the team (the weakest link) in a game that's not going as hoped, differs from the rest of team (no matter how experienced, because I've seen some things that would get a person flamed in pubs happening in top tier competitive games). The rest of the team knows that they're losing because player A is playing a terribly but they'll still try their best to salvage a game, but said player A's analysis of the game, and by proxy their gameplay is impaired because they know that they're the weak link, and as you all know, Dota is one game that punishes mistakes that are made (if you're playing a good team anyway :rolleyes:).

Now imagine all that going through Player A's mind; you're the weakest link in the game, you're probably the reason your team is losing, every mistake you're making is compounding the effect of the previous 2 thoughts. Strain on top of strain (at least in my delightful Chen experience).

Now, you obviously can't play a record breaking Chen without being praised for it, can you (yes, that's sarcasm :p)? I had one guy who eventually tuned the hell out of me, even if I apologized earlier and repeatedly explained my hero selection predicament. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying each player who has a horrible game has the same experience (in terms of situations) as I did, but their reason for playing a bad game can vary and you can never truly know if they're valid or not (who is qualified to say what is a reason valid or not?). I've even had a few horrible Jakiro games (my favorite hero), even one where a guy was like I should never play that hero ever again.

I almost never report for playing horribly (I even tune my clan mates sometimes for doing so), unless you admit to intentional feeding (a few guys have actually done that).

TL;DR I only ever report peeps for abusive language, being jerks, and general bad attitude.

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The main problem is the matchmaking system. I've had a lvl1 team mate in a game full of lvl 40 + players.
Obviously we lost..Then there are guys that are lvl30-40 and for some odd reason they pick a hero they have never played..Why?
Why would you do something like that, they know Dota is a unforgiving game with an incredibly steep learning curve. Playing in a proper game and then picking a hero you have never played is fucked up as far as I am concerned cause it'll almost certainly ruin the game for the rest of the team.

If you want to play a hero you have never played get a lvl1 account and practice on there against real people in your lvl range.

We had a guy playing bat this morning that had no idea what he was doing, then ended up taking 3 kills from our PA and then bragging how he got kills with a hero he has never played...wtf...

I can carry on about this for hours..I could probably write a book about it lol
 
_Caboose_ said:
There is no way with the current setup to be put in a match with a hero u want to learn without people bitching, what they should rather do is go maybe the way LoL went (this will only work with AP) is to pick your character before hand and then match you up with people of equal skill level as the character they selected.

So say i pick skywrath for the first time, it then finds people that are also playing characters for the 1st time.

tl;dr : matchmaking needs to be reworked
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But then you'd have to rely on AI to set up your team composition. I prefer it the way it is now.
 
The Joker said:
The main problem is the matchmaking system. I've had a lvl1 team mate in a game full of lvl 40 + players.
Obviously we lost..Then there are guys that are lvl30-40 and for some odd reason they pick a hero they have never played..Why?
Why would you do something like that, they know Dota is a unforgiving game with an incredibly steep learning curve. Playing in a proper game and then picking a hero you have never played is fucked up as far as I am concerned cause it'll almost certainly ruin the game for the rest of the team.

If you want to play a hero you have never played get a lvl1 account and practice on there against real people in your lvl range.

We had a guy playing bat this morning that had no idea what he was doing, then ended up taking 3 kills from our PA and then bragging how he got kills with a hero he has never played...wtf...

I can carry on about this for hours..I could probably write a book about it lol
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Dont forget the problem of smurf accounts.
 
It should balance out over time. Unfortunately you'll get knobs in team based multiplayer games.

I've played some games this past sunday and went on a nice 6 game win streak randoming a hero each time which i have no idea what they do. But since ive played probably 3000+ games on LoL im pretty decent at figuring out how the skills and items work and by just following basic last hitting which both games needs and common sense of any moba game its not hard to carry games or just be usefull for your team.

Some people are just bad and reporting them for being bad is daft. Making the same mistake 50 times in 10 minutes after your team told you to stop doing that is just asking to be reported. Oh and telling me a lvl 3 account on Dota 2 that im a noob for playing the 2 headed ogre thing and ripping you a new one is also pretty stupid. Since i randomed the guy and you decide to run into me while im fed.

Sorry if i offend fans of the 2 headed ogre thing since i only know about 5 actual names of champions. Pudge being my favourite and Sniper my second favourite.
 
I only report assholes! :eek:

Unfortunately you will get people who can't play the game in your team every now and then. Nothing we can do about it, but being an asshole and telling him to delete Dota or remove himself from existence isn't going to help either. Precisely one of the things that's wrong with SA Gamers, instead of helping the guy we take them apart. Bad attitude guys :cool:
 
_Caboose_ said:
Dont forget the problem of smurf accounts.
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Yeah true I guess

PaPaRaZZ! said:
I only report assholes! :eek:

Unfortunately you will get people who can't play the game in your team every now and then. Nothing we can do about it, but being an asshole and telling him to delete Dota or remove himself from existence isn't going to help either. Precisely one of the things that's wrong with SA Gamers, instead of helping the guy we take them apart. Bad attitude guys :cool:
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I am all for helping new players, but what if new player doesn't listen to you and tells you to fuck off because he knows what he is doing when he has no fucking clue lol I try help when and where I can.

Also a lvl40 player playing a new toon doesn't require help.
They already know the basics of the game, they also know how critical it is to have a well balanced team, yet they fuck on and pick a hero they have never played...pisses me off completely.

Yes it is just a game but I would like to win, I don't wanna spend 40min of my time just to lose because someone like that ruined the game.
 
i just need to expand on my earlier comment - there certainly are douche bags out there who deserve to be reported. unfortunately you will often end up with some of them in your team. but you also get genuinely new players who just wants to see what all this DOTA rage is about. i am no expert, but have on the odd occasion helped a player with a few tips, like when to silence and when to stun etc. and they seemed sincere in their appreciation.

what a lot of guys do wrong though, and this is the guys with high levels, is that they have never played a hero. when then playing as this new hero they fail to do the most basic of things for a new hero: READ THE SKILLS DESCRIPTION. it tells you what they do and, if you are familiar with the common DOTA style of play, should be able to fit in well. you may not be a pro, but you can at least contribute.

guys who try out powers without reading what they do fall under the douche category :P
 
PaPaRaZZ! said:
I only report assholes! :eek:

Unfortunately you will get people who can't play the game in your team every now and then. Nothing we can do about it, but being an asshole and telling him to delete Dota or remove himself from existence isn't going to help either. Precisely one of the things that's wrong with SA Gamers, instead of helping the guy we take them apart. Bad attitude guys :cool:
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I report someone as soon as they tell me to report someone for being a noob. I rarely report guys for feeding. It has to be clearly intentional feeding, not someone feeding because they not that great at the game.
 
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