I'm sure that if everyone could afford it, they would have bought it... But for some, money is more tight than others. :p
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I'm sure that if everyone could afford it, they would have bought it... But for some, money is more tight than others. :p
money is all ways a problem for lots of people.
Especially in todays day and age.... and the whole economical crysis and stuffs.... money is an issue for mostQuote:
Originally Posted by BlaZing
Is that a valid excuse or are we just trying to make ourselves feel less guilty? :p
its a valid excuse i think :p
Ever heard the saying: "Arm mense bly by die huis"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voicy
What are they supposed to do, cuase they can buy the game, so a pirated game is the next option and while they can't go out, they have something to do. :D
I have only bought games that requires the original to play Online.
The rest I copy, play till I'm done with it and pass it on. If the developers want us to buy games:
1. Price them right
2. Make them free for a said period of time. Then charge a minimal subscription.
That way they will only make money if their content is what the people want. If the game is a fail they will not play past the free period. I have burned my fingers to many times with games that looked awesome but ended up to be crap and a complete waste of R 300.
I used to do the Rips thing, but a few things changed it:
*I got an Xbox 360, no rips for me.
*I get a lot of Xbox bargains on kalahari.net
*MY PC is so dated now that I the games that actually work on it are discounted to the max! lol
Way back in the day everything I got was a copy from a mate. I can't remember the first legit game I got. I think it must have been something like "syndicate" which came on a 4 in 1 cd with some hardware or something.
Now I have started buying all my games. I might still download something I can't find a copy of, like I can't Fallout 3 anywhere so busy downloading (although by the time it finishes, Take2 will probably have stock again).
Also I have made to many mistakes with buying stuff that I really have not enjoyed like Oblivion, Farcry 2, Brothers in Arms and a few others that I have not finished or played much.
In strict terms of the law we're not allowed to do that, but realistically speaking - would you buy a music CD if you haven't listened to the songs on there? Or a car without driving it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eniigma
As long as you buy a game that you enjoy playing I don't see a major problem with it.
Thinking back now the 1st original I bought was D.O.T.T. :D
I totally agree with you. I always 'try' before I buy :o.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voicy
I have bought a lot of games over the years, but only those that I've really enjoyed.
I suppose that is why they bring out demo's, but I've never had satisfaction with any game's demo before. I personally feel that there is something lacking when playing a demo - maybe knowing I can't complete the game without buying it :D
There aren't always demos available for game... :(
Edit: And keep in mind, demos of late are almost as big as the completed game. :D
The only problem with "try before you buy" is often it ends up without they "buying" but still keeping the "trying" copy.
Anyway OT, what's the verdict on selling used PC games? Particularly in places like here? I think I might try offload some of my bad purchases. Admin's can I go ahead and list them here in a new post or will that be a problem?
Hey thats not a bad Idea selling ur old stuff here maybe u should add that to the suggestions box...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eniigma
And start a new thread, but make it clear that you are only allowed to post if you have something to sell or an inquiry. No spamming, that's why we have a TK. :p
True, and I'm sometimes guilty of that, but only because times are tough. Don't want to get into the whole wife/kids/home/car issues, but I eventually do get around to the ones that were forgotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eniigma
Or you can just be really patient and wait until the current titles are abandonware :D
I have never seen a more fitting avatar to go with a post than this one! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RustPuppet
I've also decided to go legit and have started to purchase all my old favourite music albums. I do however rip them to my hard drive and I want to reseal and rack all them all.
I have tossed out all of my old pirated games (Never knew I had that many CD's!) and only have Diablo 2, Titan Quest and My WoW cd's left (All Originals).
With regards to games, I find that there is such a lot of crap out there that I can hardly blame anyone for wanting to Pirate something first and then maybe getting the orignal later (Hellgate London comes to mind; I tossed that original away too).
IMO the problem that we, as PC Gamers, face is the fact that we cannot return a game to the shop once we have opened it. Demo's are often too short and always quite what the end product ends up being. We bascially purchase on reviews which is all too often hype / tripe.
So yes, Pirating is bad, but at the same time, why do we, the consumer, have to run the risk when it comes to making a purchase?
ROFLMAO ... he must have a huge collection of abandonware :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Voicy
To pirate games is dumb. It makes me have to pay R800 for a game.
To pirate overpriced software (WinRAR, Microsoft Office, etc...) makes sense. But still not forgivable.
EDIT: Oh... and you get your console screwed.
So when a game comes out, is it ok to "lend" it until it comes out at a reasonable price? BTW, do you guys use local "rental" downloads? International will be almost as much as buying the game at the high price.
Depends on who pays for the bandwidth ;):D
If you have to pay for it :p
If you can't afford it - don't do it. That's the most stupidest argument I've ever heard. 'I can't afford a rols roys so I steal one'. Dayeem. Do you NEED games to survive? No. 'I can't afford a ROLEX so I steal one'. Sorry bud. Your argument holds no water. Games are a luxury, not a necessity. I can't get over how miff your point is. No good. I'd perhaps understand if you said 'I can't afford food so I steal' but even THEN I'd say WORK TO MAKE SOME MONEY FOOL. But videogames? Pff. That argument's as bad as a crack junkie needing a fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Joker
I agree with mikdog
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikdog
Amen Brother!!! :D:D:D
30 GB = R130 = 3-8 Games.
1 PC Game = R400.
so even South Africa with some of the worlds most expensive bandwidth... it's still cheaper :P
Edit: I should have downloaded GTA IV. Look And Listen didn't want to accept my return... F*^#Q ROCKSTAR!
Piracy is honestly a stupid argument. It's made out to be a huge problem when it really isn't. There are so many ways to support something other than buying it. My whole argument on it is that the internet is the best line for promotion; games and music practically make up 30% of the internet. The other 70% is porn.
But take a program like Adobe Photoshop. It's one of the most common programs, but not many people buy it, and I doubt many people who download it end up paying either way, but it does attract more sales, and it eliminates competition. If no one pirated, there would be less sales of programs like Photoshop, not more. That's how I see it.
I'm not willing to pay a couple hundred Rand for something which I've only used for 30 days unless I profess in that field. There are, however, other people who are willing to and will buy a Student's Version of Flash and Adobe products and whatever else so that they can learn how to use it, but that's still money, and that wouldn't have been generated were it not for Photoshop being so easily and readily available on the internet.
Another example is a while ago a friend of mine gave me links to a whole bunch of albums. I downloaded them and it was a completely different style of music, I loved it, so I bought several CDs from the bands and a bunch of other merchandise (T-Shirts and stuff). I wouldn't have streamed a song on Youtube and decided to buy their CDs though.
Not only that, CD sales are not going down in any way, but for some reason, artists and game makers whinge about it as if they'd be making way more money if piracy wasn't an issue.
Sure, I think this has it's limits. But when it comes to the argument of pirates (yarr) are "robbing game makers," I see it as their helping them along. The people who pirate wouldn't really buy the game if piracy wasn't an option, they'd just probably vouch for not getting it, which is fine, but at the same time, by their action of spreading the game around there are still several people who get the game and really love it so buy the original.
What I think is incredibly lame is when people start selling pirated games. Buying and selling pirated games is just stupid, no doubt.
Lol simple answer, If you pirate, you're a criminal making all us who buy the originals suffer, this is with games, movies, cd's etc. And you're likely to make us a little peeved.
I can understand young people who can't afford games etc to do it (I did) but it's still wrong and there's no excuse
Why are we suffering ?Quote:
Originally Posted by robdutchmonkey
The reason why Games cost more is not because of piracy at all but because of development costs. In the early nineties games were alot cheaper to make because less people were busy working on a single game and the development costs of games were alot less back then, compared with if u look at the amount of people involved in developing a single title these days. I remember when shenmue came out on the dreamcast it was considered to be the most expensive game that was ever developed. To develop games these days cost more because most developers use famous actors for voice acting, go to real locations to shoot photographs, promoting the games etc. Look at gears of war, the 1st one ended up being over 10 million dollars, and the only way to get back those development costs is to sell the game at a premium price. To be Honest People that pirate the game wouldnt have bought in the 1st place so the company didnt lose a customer at all.
And yes all My Xbox games are original (i'v even spent over R1000 replacing 2 discs which cracked)
What about reaaaaallly old games, though. Doubt I could find a place to buy something like StarCon 2, now. Though fans have completely REMADE the game, free, if I'm not mistaken.
The reason I say we suffer is not because it necessarily drives costs up, but because we pay plenty of money to do the right thing and to support the developers for making the few games we love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dohc-WP
You can't tell me games take about R500 to develop etc, otherwise, why are places like shopto selling brand new games for 20 GBP?
The problem we face in our country is the fact that certain places monopolise the distribution of our gaming and hardware forcing many people into piracy, but still, there's no excuse for commiting a crime is there? It just makes you as bad as the ones sitting in prison.
You can't blame a person for having a few pirated things, we're all human, but the ones who do it quite a bit and/or sell it for money are really bad.
When it comes to old games like ps1 games etc, I don't see a problem as you can't find them firstly, and secondly the developers don't care about it anymore profit-wise.
Well Firstly the developers do care about old games if they didnt then Sony wouldnt have released the ps1 emulator for the psp or they wouldnt have even bothered to make the ps3 bc with ps1 games. Ask urself why nintendo have the virtual console, why did capcom remake Street fighter II in Hd or why ms have xbox classics on XBL. If they didnt care then why are they going through all the trouble to still support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by robdutchmonkey
Secondly the reason why games cost so little in britain is 1. they are a first world country and 2. most of the big development houses are in britain and europe, thus they make most of the games in europe (codemasters, Ubisoft, vivendi, eurocom etc.)thus they dont need to ship it halfway around the world. to get it to stores (less transport costs can lead to cheaper price).
I never said a game cost R500 to make ! I said the cost of games are alot more than they used to be back in the day due to the increase in development costs. Ask urself why AAA titles usually cost more instore than unknown releases. The reason is simple AAA titles usually cost more to make hence the higher price.
I used to download alot of games etc, but eventually most of the games I downloaded I didnt enjoy. So now I normally first check out reviews etc and I actually buy the games. With the way the global markets are now, I can see alot of game companies shutting down due to piracy and not being able to recover costs. So to be a legit person, I decided to start buying the originals.
You misunderstand me, the reason I say they don't care much, is because it's impossible to buy, there's a reason they made the ps3 backwards compatible with the ps3, to mnake more money as they sell them as downloads off psn. I said it's still a crime, but I can understand people downloading them (which is piracy if you don't have an original copy), but that doesn't stop it from being illegalQuote:
Originally Posted by Dohc-WP
In my teens and early 20's I pirated all the titles I played. Sucks being a sorry arse student with no cash.
But, I am happy to say that I buy all the titles I play now, yes, some of them were horrid like UFO Aftershock and Turning Point, but that was only my own mistake because I didn't bother to visit gaming forums to read up on them.
Face it boys, it's worth while paying that R350 or R400 for a PC title that keeps you busy for 5 hours without giving you a hangover or some dodgy STD :D
Agreed, Warlynx
Look, the long and the short of it is this: We knew we were wrong by copying games. We told ourselves that since we didn't physically steal anything it was ok.
See it as you will, personally it just makes me feel better and proud to be able to buy games now and not have to worry with copying them - seeing as I now have no excuse i.e. finance/availability NOT to purchase legal copies.
Wish I was you, mate. :D
I walk into a pc store, look at the prices and walk out again. I went for online games instead (as my sig so blatantly states). The R172 / month give me all the enjoyment I need (and yes I am boring because I only play one game bla bla).
I will be buying D3 when it comes out though (Whether it is rubbish or not!)