PS3 jailbreaker off to prison soon
Alexander ‘graf_chokolo’ Egorenkov is running out of time and money
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PS3 jailbreaker off to prison soon
Alexander ‘graf_chokolo’ Egorenkov is running out of time and money
I hoped Sony would have learned there previous mistake and hired him to help improve there product. Instead of trying to destroy him.
Just based on the couple of quotes they attribute to him, I doubt he would've been inclined to work for them - he's pretty much still telling Sony to go and screw themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasley
While I have absolutely no love for those charming hackers who insist on exploiting security flaws to compromise and publicly release usernames and passwords, I feel the need to support an individual who stands up for people's right to use something they've bought in whatever way they feel the need (unless they try to turn it into some epic weapon of mass destruction, that is :p).Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfox
Imagine companies telling you what components you may or may not use in your PC, what operating systems you may or may not install and jailing you for finding a way around that and making it public knowledge to those who wanted to do so as well but couldn't figure it out.
I can't support that kind of bureaucracy. This is one of those times where I feel this guy is in the right and he's being bullied by an insecure oaf of a company and needs as much support as he can get.
I honestly wish him the best of luck.
That is a fair enough point - even though these days buying almost anything comes with T&Cs - but I'm not keen to jump into that whole argument. The problem here is that he released information that no company really wants floating around - including all the stuff in the below paragraph:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycanthrope
Y'know ... after he was initially ordered by the court not to do it, he went ahead, gave them the finger, and released more goodies. And all of this is now in the public domain, meaning that Sony's competition can now easily get a hold of it as well. I think any company has a right to want to protect that kind of information.Quote:
The court ordered Egorenkov to take down any copies of the ‘Hypervisor Bible’, a guide he authored detailing Sony’s PS3 security layer. He refused to do so, and also distributed a file named ‘coolstuff.rar’ which contained, according to Sony’s lawyer Peter Ruess, "copies, decrypted copies and reverse-engineered information of files belonging to the confidential core firmware used in the PlayStation3 which is distributed by our client."
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Feel no sympathy for this idiot. Initially what and Hotz did was okayish, but then even Hotz saw the writing and chickened out, whilst this idiot carried on. How much knowledge does he expect to gain in prison? Other than being someones bitch, he field for knowledge will be somewhat limited.
I might very well be wrong but isn't the 360 basically an open book for anyone interested in that sort of stuff as well? Also, isn't all that information also freely available to developers working on PS3 titles?Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfox
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this just boils down to the typical question of: if someone couldn't pirate something, would they buy it? Sony has always been a very protective company, they've always enforced DRM and they've never been a company that steps outside of their comfort-zone.
I just feel that Sony are fighting a paranoid battle against imaginary threats. Hackers took down the PSN, Playstations were still sold, Playstation users remained loyal and unconcerned and Playstation 3 games were still sold.
Also, I feel that innovation is a part of tinkering and screwing around with something. If some bright guy comes up with a really remarkable innovative use for a PS3 using custom firmware or whatever (hypothetically) Sony also stands to gain recognition and fame, it's another bonus point to why people might want to grab a PS3. While this might not be a perfect example, look at the Android operating system for cellphones and how it basically reigns in the technologically-minded who want to get as much out of it as possible. It also appeals to the average Joe because we know that chances are good that if we can think of some kind of app we want, someone else has probably put it together.
I just have so many thoughts about this entire fiasco and they all boil down to a firm belief that Sony is an irrationally insecure (paranoid) company stomping on seedlings with the potential to be money-trees thinking them weeds.
I just can't back the idea that intelligent people, who see more to a silly device; who want to get as much out of it as they can, should be jailed/litigated for it.
Yes, I understand the desire to protect your intellectual property but sometimes I just feel that it goes too far. Protect your intellectual property against other people's commercial gains, sure, but private use? I just can't.
So wait, this guy is going to jail for enabling linux on a ps3?
That's an awful lot of trouble to go through :rolleyes:Quote:
Apparently a thirst for knowledge is the driving force in his life, to the extent that the prospect of “jail or even death cannot hold it back anymore.”
I have nothing but respect for a person who stands for what he believes in. Yes, Sony does have a right to protect their intellectual property, but this is taking it way too far. As mentioned in the article, the way Sony is handling the situation is creating more enemies for themselves and opening themselves up to more cyber attacks.
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycanthrope
You've been able to install Linux on the 360 since 2007/2008, this still works on current models of the console. This fact and that MS hasn't done anything to stop that, that they also have had a refreshing attitude towards people pulling the Kinekt apart I believe has kept them in good stead with the hacker community at large. I'm sure some still try bust into MS now and then, but no one significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycanthrope
You can't take a 360 modded with Linux online for any lengthy period of time of course, but this is a good compromise. As said many times, the people who have the skills to get around the security of the consoles have no interest in disrupting online play with cheats or pirating games, so its been left at that. All the information and tools on how to get Linux onto your 360 still sits on the original hackers website and no harm has come from it.
This is corporate bullying and Sony is quite frankly making a mockery of the legal system. I don't believe Egorenkov has done anything wrong. We've been tinkering with gadgets in our possession and sharing that knowledge since forever. I myself have a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier (guitar amplifier) that I'm always tearing apart and fiddling with and frequently partake in discussion on the Boogie boards (forum). I wouldn't be able to achieve the sound I like with the amp if I wasn't allowed to do this or leverage the past experience and guides of others. Am I not within my rights? You cannot say yes to me, and no to modding the PS3, its the same principle.
The thing is, as soon as you try and classify this into right/wrong (black/white) you're leaving a lot of space for confusion. Is what Sony is currently doing right? From your and my point of view - no. From theirs? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhand
Is what Egorenkov did wrong? For us? No. For Sony? Yes.
You are, as you say, within your rights to open up and fiddle with your guitar amplifier - but, suppose you break something. Will your warrantee cover it? No. And the funny thing about rights are, they can be restricted. And in the PS3's case - they are restricted, in legal Terms & Conditions that you effectively agree to when you purchase and use their product. If you don't believe in rights being restricted - go take a look at South Africa's very own Constitution - rights may be restricted where they interfere with the rights of another entity. Principle doesn't really enter into it.
It's not like it takes a lot of reading to find the restrictions either - they form part of the second clause in the System Software Licence Agreement - I'll even quote the relevant part -
There it is, in perfect legalese. So, from a legal standpoint, Sony are perfectly within their rights to enforce their terms, or procecute anyone who breaches those terms.Quote:
2. RESTRICTIONS
You may not lease, rent, sublicense, publish, modify, adapt, or translate any portion of the System Software. To the fullest extent permitted by law, you may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the System Software, or create any derivative works, or otherwise attempt to create System Software source code from its object code. You may not (i) use any unauthorized, illegal, counterfeit, or modified hardware or software in connection with the System Software, including use of tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism for the PS3™ system; (ii) violate any laws, regulations or statutes, or rights of SCE, its affiliated companies, or third parties in connection with your access to or use of the System Software, including the access, use, or distribution of any software or hardware that you know or should have known to be infringing or pirated; (iii) use any hardware or software to cause the System Software to accept or use unauthorized, illegal, or pirated software or hardware; (iv) obtain the System Software in any manner other than through SCE's authorized distribution methods; or (v) exploit the System Software in any manner other than to use it in your PS3™ system in accordance with the accompanying documentation and with authorized software or hardware, including use of the System Software to design, develop, update, or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use in connection with the PS3™ system for any reason. Without limiting the scope of SCE's remedies, any violation of these restrictions will void the PS3™ system's warranty and affect your ability to obtain warranty services and repair services from SCE or its affiliated companies
Sony and MS have a different approach - MS allows tinkering, Sony doesn't want you to. Again, these are their creations, so once again, they are executing their right to restrict or not to restrict.
I'm not saying I'm supporting what Sony's doing, guys. Don't get me wrong. I have a PSP, and I would love to run homebrew apps on it, but I'm aware of the fact that in doing so I would be in breach of those T&C's that come with using it. Feel free to disagree with me on this, but just because you or I believe it's right to jailbreak the item, in terms of the law, you're not.
And for a lawyer (and for almost any corporation), the letter of the law is what counts. That's what judgements get based on, not feelings.