Zombie apocalypse or Alien invasion

ok so here's the deal, me and a couple of mates had this discussion, because this sort of thing just comes up when we're in the same (cyber)space, so I thought I would get the MyGaming family involved, cause I seem to be out numbered in my opinion...

If you had to choose between surviving a zombie outbreak or fighting an alien invasion (think The Walking Dead vs Falling Skies), which would you choose?

Logically my brain immediately votes for the zombies, I just think your odds for survival is much better.

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Alien Invasion. Zombies no longer have reason so they will always come for you and the slightest scratch could turn you. Not to mention that the virus could eventually mutate into something much worse.

Alien Invasion would suggest an intelligent (or at least as smart as humans) race. Meaning that they may be open for reasoning or, worst case scenario, all out war where, like in Falling Skies, our only option would be to make the occupation as costly for the invaders as possible.

EDIT: However if Alien species has any sense they would just avoid us.

I agree with Zombie apocalypse, since after watching many Zombie movies including one specific one Zombieland and the cardinal rules to surviving, I think my chances are pretty decent when it comes to being among those who would live!! :)

Alien tech would be too hardcore for my liking :p

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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix

Alien Invasion. Zombies no longer have reason so they will always come for you and the slightest scratch could turn you. Not to mention that the virus could eventually mutate into something much worse.

Alien Invasion would suggest an intelligent (or at least as smart as humans) race. Meaning that they may be open for reasoning or, worst case scenario, all out war where, like in Falling Skies, our only option would be to make the occupation as costly for the invaders as possible.

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True, but with zombies you know your enemy, you know how to fight back and almost anything you can pick up can be an effective weapon. With aliens you don't know their weakness, and they have superior technology.

Let's say for the sake of this discussion, the aliens are here to stay and we're not welcome, not even as annoying pets

Ya I would rather face dumbass zombies than intelligent Aliens with their high tech weapons.

I already have a gameplan for that anyway. I got diddly squat against super smart aliens.

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Originally Posted by bradbear117

Ya I would rather face dumbass zombies than intelligent Aliens with their high tech weapons.

I already have a gameplan for that anyway. I got diddly squat against super smart aliens.

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yeah we plan on setting up camp in Castle of Good Hope. best. stronghold. ever. :D

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Originally Posted by MalicE

True, but with zombies you know your enemy, you know how to fight back and almost anything you can pick up can be an effective weapon. With aliens you don't know their weakness, and they have superior technology.

Let's say for the sake of this discussion, the aliens are here to stay and we're not welcome, not even as annoying pets

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If Aliens wanted our world for its resources they would have showed up by now. Any kind of war would probably be due to some sort of Misunderstand at First Contact or Humans Unwittingly starting Hostilities ala the first contact War in the ME Universe. Meaning that there is a good chance the mess will be cleared up and Humanity would benefit greatly. Even if they where a Covenant type society that is made up many different species that conquer other worlds and assimilate the natives into their society, kind of like with the Native Americans, humanity would still benefit greatly. Even if they came here with no intent other than wiping humanity from the universe we would benefit since war drives innovation, look at the advances made between the start and end of WWII alot of that stuff simply wouldn't exist had it not been for that conflict. And would it really be such a bad thing if we did get wiped out? Look at us, we've been here for what, 30 000 and so far have only set foot on our own moon some 40 years ago. Basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest. If we can't survive their attack/invasion perhaps we are better off in some alien history book as little more than a foot note.

Zombies you may know how to fight but its the ultimate catch 22, every one of you they kill their numbers grow. You are alot more likely to die trying to kill 1 or a small group than you are likely to fully kill them. Plus all those zombie movies has 1 thing in common... pretty much everyone dies at the end.

EDIT: Zombie Apocalypse turns you against your fellow man. Alien Invasion Forces you to work with your fellow man.

ANC apocalypse is bad enough... Ow wait we're talking zombies or zombies.

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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix

If Aliens wanted our world for its resources they would have showed up by now. Any kind of war would probably be due to some sort of Misunderstand at First Contact or Humans Unwittingly starting Hostilities ala the first contact War in the ME Universe. Meaning that there is a good chance the mess will be cleared up and Humanity would benefit greatly. Even if they where a Covenant type society that is made up many different species that conquer other worlds and assimilate the natives into their society, kind of like with the Native Americans, humanity would still benefit greatly. Even if they came here with no intent other than wiping humanity from the universe we would benefit since war drives innovation, look at the advances made between the start and end of WWII alot of that stuff simply wouldn't exist had it not been for that conflict. And would it really be such a bad thing if we did get wiped out? Look at us, we've been here for what, 30 000 and so far have only set foot on our own moon some 40 years ago. Basic Darwinism, survival of the fittest. If we can't survive their attack/invasion perhaps we are better off in some alien history book as little more than a foot note.

Zombies you may know how to fight but its the ultimate catch 22, every one of you they kill their numbers grow. You are alot more likely to die trying to kill 1 or a small group than you are likely to full kill them. Plus all those zombie movies has 1 thing in common... pretty much everyone dies at the end.

EDIT: Zombie Apocalypse turns you against your fellow man. Alien Invasion Forces you to work with your fellow man.

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....damnit Omega! I was looking forward to the coming zombie apocalypse till you started making sense :p

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Originally Posted by MalicE

....damnit Omega! I was looking forward to the coming zombie apocalypse till you started making sense :p

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Just Call me Omega... Maker of Sense :p

A slight derail but....

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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix

....... Alien Invasion Forces you to work with your fellow man.

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this is also the basis of a conspiracy theory that says one of the ways to get everyone to unite under a new world order is to fabricate or incite(depending if you believe they exist or not) an Alien invasion.

Omega, dude, you have my vote to be our leader in the reasoning with the Aliens.

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Originally Posted by bradbear117

A slight derail but....




this is also the basis of a conspiracy theory that says one of the ways to get everyone to unite under a new world order is to fabricate or incite(depending if you believe they exist or not) an Alien invasion.

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Yep, This was used in the Watchmen graphic novel. Its a pretty good idea but the problem is eventually the truth has to come out and then it will be alot worse. Much easier to just go piss off some actual aliens.

but surely with all the zombie movies and TV series' we've been bombarded with we will be able to learn from "our" mistakes and come together and work as one

and in a way the zombie outbreak could be seen then as a sort of stupid-people-cleansing, so it'll probably be like the world vs the infected USA :D

like you said Omega, it'll be survival of the fittest, leaving only us smart folk in the majority ^_^

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Originally Posted by MalicE

but surely with all the zombie movies and TV series' we've been bombarded with we will be able to learn from "our" mistakes and come together and work as one

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Do we live on the same planet? Because I dunno about you but so far there hasn't been alot of learning from our mistakes going on around here.

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Originally Posted by MalicE

and in a way the zombie outbreak could be seen then as a sort of stupid-people-cleansing, so it'll probably be like the world vs the infected USA :D

like you said Omega, it'll be survival of the fittest, leaving only us smart folk in the majority ^_^

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Also I dunno about you but my experience is that smart folks are rarely the fittest.

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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix

Do we live on the same planet? Because I dunno about you but so far there hasn't been alot of learning from our mistakes going on around here.

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...fair enough. I know I've learned from The Walking Dead that anybody called Lori or Carl should be shot in the head on site :p

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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix

Also I dunno about you but my experience is that smart folks are rarely the fittest.

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lol! we can survive on our smarts alone, who needs to be "fit" :D

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Originally Posted by MalicE

...fair enough. I know I've learned from The Walking Dead that anybody called Lori or Carl should be shot in the head on site :p



lol! we can survive on our smarts alone, who needs to be "fit" :D

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Smart people surviving would more likely be true for Alien invasion than Zombie Apocalypse.

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Smart people surviving would more likely be true for Alien invasion than Zombie Apocalypse.

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...ok, you turned me, I'll start preparing for the coming of the aliens :p

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...ok, you turned me, I'll start preparing for the coming of the aliens :p

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HAHAHAHA! that won't be me...:rolleyes:

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Smart people surviving would more likely be true for Alien invasion than Zombie Apocalypse.

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...BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! that's a good tactic I think, worked in Walking Dead :D

Zombie Apocalypse FTW. Also, I want to be at work when it breaks out. I work in a shopping mall and I've played a shitload of Dead Rising 2, so I'll be ready. :p

I think we all want to have a mini-zombie-apocalypse to happen, so that we can fire some large caliber or rapid fire weapons... but in reality, it will be a dirty place. Aliens on the other hand, would probably have some kind of a doomsday weapon to wipe us all out without knowing.

So I would not like either, but prefer the Zombie apocalypse (provided I can get a fuckload of ammo and weapons beforehand.)

Zombie apocalypse. After watching Zombieland, I think that it could actually be fun. I think this should have been a poll, just so we can see how many people really want zombies

I really depends on the severity of either incident.

The zombie presence revolves around an infection - so it's directly and continuously destructive to humans.

Aliens, while their arrival will likely be heavily destructive in general, it will unlikely be directly destructive - depending on their purpouse.

Firstly, the idea that "they would already be here" if they wanted our resources is flawed, just as a group of fishermen in the first century would argue that other humans in the world wouldn't just want their resources, as they would already be there.

Secondly, the idea that they could be rationalized with, and intelligent, is also flawed - because we are creating proxies of ourselves. The vast majority of the time, we are forced to create proxies of things we already know, for things we can't know. A society that has never seen plants - has lived entirely off fauna, would never be able to understand, imagine, or even predict them, because they wouldn't fit any proxy that the society could create. Beyond that, if they COULD be rationalized, it would be as a wolf attempting to rationalize with woodcutters and poachers, or natives with aggressive harvester colonists (ie, they'd "spare" us, but we'd be a tiny unhealthy, unhappy minority) The only way it could happen would be if mutual symbiosis could be achieved (see - Combine in Half Life 2). At very least, we'd be akin to an infant complaining to an adult, when that adult.

So, we have three basic ideas of why we may be "visited". Resources, domination, relay.

Resources: Just as one may kick away an ants nest to get to a water vein underneath, you don't go around killing every single ant. The ants scatter, join up with the other colony relays, and as a species they survive. Naturally, this depends widely on what resources they are hunting for (unlikely its water, it's one of the most common elements within the galaxy). If the creatures are more instinctive (space whales, etc), they will adapt to us, as we will adapt to them. Our entire ecology will suffer horribly, but life goes on.

But if they are hunting for biological matter, then, well, it depends on their process. If they look to invade, and manufacture, we could surive. If they look to feed (see - Tyranids in 40k), we're dead in a horrible but short process.

Domination:As stated, based on the naive (and, to be honest, somewhat arrogant) assumption that aliens will be a proxy of us, our mentality, and our technological process. It would be highly likely they would either quickly absorb as us a workforce to either be quickly expended or mass produced. We'd survive depending (again, see - Combine in Half Life 2).

Relay: Pretty much like us jumping onto an island, clearing away a patch of forest, and building a giant satellite dish. Naturally destroying the habitat in the immediate area, instilling protective measures around it, but otherwise leaving the rest of the island alone.

So, basically, the lethality of such an invasion swings widely depending on what they want, and what they are. Then again, one can only approach such a concept with human mentality, so it's naturally possible nothing I've said, nor anything anyone else has said, applies :P

BUT, with the zombie apocalypse you're looking at a constant theme of failure, no one survives except a barren few, who even then slowly drop off. While the planets ecology won't be overly phased, us as a species is reduced to a tiny fraction.

Realistically, we have pretty amazing containment procedures, so I rather doubt it would lead to such a worldwide catastrophe - unless, of course, we're seeing the virus spread across our atmosphere from space, in which case it would arguably be an alien invasion as well (see - Biomega manga).

So, we have an Alien invasion where our survival is completely unkown, a thematic zombie apocalypse where we all die, or a realistic zombie incident where many die, but likely contained.

Well I think I would have to go with alien invasion to be honest. I don't think I could decapitate somebody infected especially if I knew them when they were not undead.
With aliens well I have no problem launching all out assault on them

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Originally Posted by simon

Well I think I would have to go with alien invasion to be honest. I don't think I could decapitate somebody infected especially if I knew them when they were not undead.
With aliens well I have no problem launching all out assault on them

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I think I could behead a loved one, once you become a zombie you're dead to me :p

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Originally Posted by Robin

Zombie apocalypse. After watching Zombieland, I think that it could actually be fun. I think this should have been a poll, just so we can see how many people really want zombies

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Poll Added ^_^

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Originally Posted by Crzwaco

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Hahhahaha!! Thats just brilliant!! A definite strategy to use in the event of a Zombie Apocolypse!!

For fear of reviving an (un)dead post ... you guys have overlooked the possibility of a zombie-like-alien invasion. Think along the lines of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" ... the Pod People. Those guys didn't have to do much to have us wiped out; we just had to fall asleep and a pod would clone us and we'd be gone. That's a tad more freaky than a Zombie Apocalypse (which arguably is going to be loads of fun; for mostly the wrong reasons) or a big-headed brainiac alien invasion.

Just try to stay awake for more than a week and you'll realise the whole planet is doomed. Zombies are relentless in their slow pursuit of every piece of flesh they can get their hands on but they'll take time to hunt us all down, and in some cases we'll be safe enough hiding away in our bunker in Tibet. Smart aliens will probably also struggle to find every survivor (at least, that's what Hollywood tells us). Pod People on the other hand? They just need to wait for us to fall asleep O_O