He is pointing out that Taryn didn't write the article... So before you call someone's comments stupid you should probably check to see who made them.
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He is pointing out that Taryn didn't write the article... So before you call someone's comments stupid you should probably check to see who made them.
Oh good its not just me, for a second there I thought I was misunderstanding the dude. Why I didn't respond with my usual wit...Quote:
Originally Posted by MOnk
The majority of gamers might be over 20, but the mentality of most video games is still very much around 15. Games simply are not mature enough (yet?) to present a scene of attempted rape with anything even remotely near the level of sensitivity it requires.
There's also the very real issue of triggering, and erring on the side of not inadvertently traumatising the one in four women playing the game who have been raped at least once in their lifetimes.
But whatever, I'm sure it's much easier to sit there, as a bunch of guys who have never been victims of sexual assault, and say that showing an attempted rape scene in a video game so players can feel some cheap, contrived, vicarious sense of protectiveness is no big deal.
For me it has nothing to do with protectiveness I just think it would be a good step towards a more mature narrative. Ignoring the issue and hoping it goes away will solve nothing. Use is as a freaking soap box if you have to, put up a screen asking people to support centres for abused women or aid groups and/or provide contact info for said groups. This medium is a powerful tool that can be used to reach alot of people, what if they did include this screen and a girl/woman (even if just 1) who was the victim of such an assault and who was previously too afraid to speak out about it ends up contacting one of these support group or better yet feel empowered to actively fight back or draw some sort of strength from watching a character fight back then it would have been worth while and some good would have come out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azimuth
I'm sorry but to me this is yet another case of double standards. Books have rape (not even attempted) scenes, movies have rape scenes, TV series have rape scenes, even rape/murder scenes but when a game just hints at it OMG violation! I watched the scene and it honestly was only mildly suggestive, compare that the Sanza's attempted rape scene in Game of Thrones or even the marital rape scene in Homeland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azimuth
You can't just say "Oh it's a video game therefore it can't handle being mature" that is a load of bullocks, since the evidence is right in front of us showing the contrary but because it's in a medium which people deem immature the topic must therefore have been handled immaturely. It's a circle-jerk self fulling prophecy.
Now I'm not saying we should take rape lightly and just throw it around as some kind of character building tool for every women but given that fact that just as you said, this is a topic which affects many women, it seems silly to lock it behind some kind of 'maturity' wall not to be spoken of until your industry reaches the designated level of 'adultness'.
The pinnacle of sexuality presented in mainstream video games so far is probably in Mass Effect - that's two people, fully dressed, moving awkwardly around each other on a bed after making the correct sequence of dialogue choices. Out of the mainstream, it's stuff like RapeLay.
Don't even try to compare sexual themes in video games with sexual themes in movies and films. Maybe one day games will be better equipped to deal with that sort of thing, but now? Definitely not. I mean, games are still using boob physics as a marketing feature. Let's get over that first.
It is never going to change if attempts to transcend this are lambasted every time they pop up but not a peep is made when said boob physics sinks to new depths by offering bathing suits, FUCKING BATHING SUITS, as pre-order incentives. Like I said before, ignoring the issue and hoping it will go away solves nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azimuth
'Wise man say if you stick your head in the sand all you get is sand up your nose.'
And I don't think including a rape scene in a video game is the way to do it. At this point, it would be like teaching a toddler about gender and sex by showing them porn.
An adventure game is not the appropriate place for any sort of discourse about sexual violence against women. The whole context just completely trivialises it.
Ai.....Why is it that i am so many times not understood!
I was refering to your original message, not your "Source" comment post Hence my reference to Taryn's article. I was not even talking about the post you were refering to but rather referring to another posted article.
SO dude, before you (and M0nk) have to wip out your "Wit" as you call it, read what i am saying. Also i dont see how i insulted your post?
http://mygaming.co.za/news/news/3963...pted-rape.html
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Originally Posted by OmegaFenix
I cant agree with you at all. What makes this "rape" scene so horrible for you, where shooting or knifing an AI player is now considered trivial? Age restrictions on games are way to low. I really believe with this new Lara game they want to move with the age of the player who played the original way back. In other words an older audience, hence the building up of the character.
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Originally Posted by Azimuth