Jozi bouncer attacks alleged weed smokers - Stones Fourways

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Originally Posted by Wenzdayz

you cant be sure on that video that what they were smoking was weed. it will be his word against theirs. like Joker said what is evident on the video is the assault and the guy admitted to assaulting them. for these kids to face any charges that guy should have called the cops then and there, but no saw fit to take the law in his own hands. the police cant arrest the guys for "probably" smoking weed.

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notice the cigarette stump that he picks up and hands over to the other guy

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Read what I said. If that cigarette was stuffed with weed then you have your evidence.

Who shares a cig with another 2 guys whilst hiding in the bathroom

Regardless of whether or not they were smoking weed, he's approach to the situation, I think, was unwarranted. It's rather obvious that there were better ways of handling the situation. And according to a News24 article (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...uncer-20131004) he wasn't even a bouncer. I get that drugs are illegal, but can you imagine if people who are against drug-use went around beating up every drug user they came across? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Ike_009

Who shares a cig with another 2 guys whilst hiding in the bathroom

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School kids?

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Originally Posted by Lyt

Read what I said. If that cigarette was stuffed with weed then you have your evidence.

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ok so where is that cigarette butt now? i doubt that guy kept it... so how will the police prove this? they cant its as simple as that.

criminal law is very specific. you cannot charge someone with a crime on hearsay evidence. also what will the police charge them with possession of a cigarette that possibly has weed in it, based on video footage that is not clear?

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Originally Posted by Wenzdayz

ok so where is that cigarette butt now? i doubt that guy kept it... so how will the police prove this? they cant its as simple as that.

criminal law is very specific. you cannot charge someone with a crime on hearsay evidence. also what will the police charge them with possession of a cigarette that possibly has weed in it, based on video footage that is not clear?

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The footage shows that he attacked them while they were busy smoking that cigarette. When he punched that guy, the guy nearest to the sink was still smoking it. He then dropped it, and Shane picked it up. If they were smoking weed, then it's evidence. If they do take him to court, he will definitely serve, but they on the other hand will pay a small fine and spend a few hours in jail. Still as I said, there is proof of them smoking weed :P .

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Originally Posted by Lyt

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Originally Posted by Wenzdayz

ok so where is that cigarette butt now? i doubt that guy kept it... so how will the police prove this? they cant its as simple as that.

criminal law is very specific. you cannot charge someone with a crime on hearsay evidence. also what will the police charge them with possession of a cigarette that possibly has weed in it, based on video footage that is not clear?

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The footage shows that he attacked them while they were busy smoking that cigarette. When he punched that guy, the guy nearest to the sink was still smoking it. He then dropped it, and Shane picked it up. If they were smoking weed, then it's evidence. If they do take him to court, he will definitely serve, but they on the other hand will pay a small fine and spend a few hours in jail. Still as I said, there is proof of them smoking weed :P .

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I don't really want to get involved in this as I'm more of an observer in matters like this, but could you please explain to me how it's evidence of them smoking weed. I can see the guy smoking, but I definitely can't tell what he's smoking and I doubt that the Shane dude kept it so how exactly can he prove that they were smoking a joint?

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Originally Posted by Wlad

I don't really want to get involved in this as I'm more of an observer in matters like this, but could you please explain to me how it's evidence of them smoking weed. I can see the guy smoking, but I definitely can't tell what he's smoking and I doubt that the Shane dude kept it so how exactly can he prove that they were smoking a joint?

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this is exactly what i was trying to get him to explain but i think he is just arguing for the sake of arguing

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Originally Posted by Wlad

I don't really want to get involved in this as I'm more of an observer in matters like this, but could you please explain to me how it's evidence of them smoking weed. I can see the guy smoking, but I definitely can't tell what he's smoking and I doubt that the Shane dude kept it so how exactly can he prove that they were smoking a joint?

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"The footage shows that he attacked them while they were busy smoking that cigarette. When he punched that guy, the guy nearest to the sink was still smoking it. He then dropped it, and Shane picked it up."

The question here isn't if he kept the joint or not. The joint is there, he picked it up, and if it was marijuana he has proof.

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Originally Posted by Wenzdayz

this is exactly what i was trying to get him to explain but i think he is just arguing for the sake of arguing

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You are trying to get me to explain? Wut??? Why would I argue if I didn't have a valid point? Keep your assumptions to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Lyt

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Originally Posted by Wlad

I don't really want to get involved in this as I'm more of an observer in matters like this, but could you please explain to me how it's evidence of them smoking weed. I can see the guy smoking, but I definitely can't tell what he's smoking and I doubt that the Shane dude kept it so how exactly can he prove that they were smoking a joint?

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"The footage shows that he attacked them while they were busy smoking that cigarette. When he punched that guy, the guy nearest to the sink was still smoking it. He then dropped it, and Shane picked it up."

The question here isn't if he kept the joint or not. The joint is there, he picked it up, and if it was marijuana he has proof.

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Originally Posted by Wenzdayz

this is exactly what i was trying to get him to explain but i think he is just arguing for the sake of arguing

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You are trying to get me to explain? Wut??? Why would I argue if I didn't have a valid point? Keep your assumptions to yourself.

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Huh? That doens't prove anything dude. Just because you can see him smoking something does not automically mean he was smoking a joint. The only way it can be proven is if he (shane) kept the bud. It could be a rolled cigarette (with tabacco) or anything else.

Sorry for the multiple quoutes, my phone does that.