Speedfines and Aarto (Jhb)

So it seems for some reason I've been getting some speedfines in Jhb area this month. Haven't had any fines in quite some time... until now. I've been receiving SMSes from paycity saying that there are new fines against my name and that payment is due in 30 days for a 50% discount. Haven't received any registered letters yet, but I think I might have missed one. (Went to the post office too late and was already sent back)

So back in Nelspruit, if I got a fine there, I usually wait until they delivered it at my house and only then I would go and pay the fine. Can anyone tell me how this works with Aarto and what the implications are for not paying (and are they enforcing this)? Especially in the following cases:
- When the registered mail was not received.
- When living in a different province.
- Or even when living in Pretoria and fines were obtained in Jhb.

(I posted this on MyBB but no responses)

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Originally Posted by ViperGTI

So it seems for some reason I've been getting some speedfines in Jhb area this month. Haven't had any fines in quite some time... until now. I've been receiving SMSes from paycity saying that there are new fines against my name and that payment is due in 30 days for a 50% discount. Haven't received any registered letters yet, but I think I might have missed one. (Went to the post office too late and was already sent back)

So back in Nelspruit, if I got a fine there, I usually wait until they delivered it at my house and only then I would go and pay the fine. Can anyone tell me how this works with Aarto and what the implications are for not paying (and are they enforcing this)? Especially in the following cases:
- When the registered mail was not received. NOT 100% SURE -SEE BELOW
- When living in a different province. NO EFFECT - LIABLE
- Or even when living in Pretoria and fines were obtained in Jhb. NO EFFECT - LIABLE

(I posted this on MyBB but no responses)

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Firstly - nobody seems to know wtf is going on with all these dodgy road laws so take what I say as speculation rather than fact.

AARTO seems to require registered mail...however I don't think its their responsibility to follow up on cases where people move and no forwarding address is provided.

>>Can anyone tell me how this works with Aarto and what the implications are for not paying

It appears to me that they can legally block the transfer/sale of the car IF they complied with all the requirements on their side (unlikely).

Officially - obviously you should pay it - its the right thing to do. I seem strangely immune to speeding fines (:cool::cool::cool:) so I paid the R250 they wanted from me in the last 5 years (lols). 12.5% of people pay their fines - in case that is of help in your decision making.

As a side note...JHB is rolled out new tech recently on this front so you getting a bunch of tickets all of a sudden is very plausible.

Also: I'm told that SA is working on importing cameras with IR flashes...i.e. You can't see the flash. They're already in use in Germany but I haven't heard of more widespread use beyond that.

This may help http://www.aartofacts.co.za

I got a speedfine in Limpopo near Tzaneen in April but i'm not able to pay it at all. (R100.00)

I've gone to 3 post offices, they need some sort of form to be able to post it to the correct place (its going to be an additional R50-R60)
I've gone to a Police station who could not help me but told me i could pay it at a checkers, so off i went to checkers, the lady there told me that the fine i received did not have something on it that her system requires. no luck there.

then i checked on payfines, viewfines, paycity and standard bank but none of them had any reference of my fine and they could not find it via the reference number on it.

I'm going to another part of limpopo in a couple of weeks so i will try and pay it there. i need to pay it before 2014-06-16.

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Originally Posted by Tydmors

I got a speedfine in Limpopo near Tzaneen in April but i'm not able to pay it at all. (R100.00)

I've gone to 3 post offices, they need some sort of form to be able to post it to the correct place (its going to be an additional R50-R60)
I've gone to a Police station who could not help me but told me i could pay it at a checkers, so off i went to checkers, the lady there told me that the fine i received did not have something on it that her system requires. no luck there.

then i checked on payfines, viewfines, paycity and standard bank but none of them had any reference of my fine and they could not find it via the reference number on it.

I'm going to another part of limpopo in a couple of weeks so i will try and pay it there. i need to pay it before 2014-06-16.

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Have you tried http://www.aarto.gov.za/index.php/query-my-fine ?

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Originally Posted by matt

Have you tried http://www.aarto.gov.za/index.php/query-my-fine ?

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Thanks for the link Matt i will try it as well.

just checked, 1st the reference number i have in the top right is not long enough and the one on the bottom of the page is to long :(

I could not find anything under my ID and licence number either.

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Originally Posted by HavocXphere

Firstly - nobody seems to know wtf is going on with all these dodgy road laws so take what I say as speculation rather than fact.

AARTO seems to require registered mail...however I don't think its their responsibility to follow up on cases where people move and no forwarding address is provided.

>>Can anyone tell me how this works with Aarto and what the implications are for not paying

It appears to me that they can legally block the transfer/sale of the car IF they complied with all the requirements on their side (unlikely).

Officially - obviously you should pay it - its the right thing to do. I seem strangely immune to speeding fines (:cool::cool::cool:) so I paid the R250 they wanted from me in the last 5 years (lols). 12.5% of people pay their fines - in case that is of help in your decision making.

As a side note...JHB is rolled out new tech recently on this front so you getting a bunch of tickets all of a sudden is very plausible.

Also: I'm told that SA is working on importing cameras with IR flashes...i.e. You can't see the flash. They're already in use in Germany but I haven't heard of more widespread use beyond that.

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Thanks, useful. Do you have any information about this new tech that Jhb has rolled out? And where did you get the 12.5% figure from? (and yes, that definitely helps the decision :))

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Originally Posted by Fivel

This may help http://www.aartofacts.co.za

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Thanks, I know about that site, but it didn't seem to have my specific answers.

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Originally Posted by Tydmors

Thanks for the link Matt i will try it as well.

just checked, 1st the reference number i have in the top right is not long enough and the one on the bottom of the page is to long :(

I could not find anything under my ID and licence number either.

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Aarto is not implemented in Limpopo. How did you get the fine? Via post or did they pull you over? If you just got it via mail, then you can safely ignore it until (or if) they come and deliver it at your house, but for R100, it is most likely that they'll just write it off.

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Originally Posted by ViperGTI

Thanks, useful. Do you have any information about this new tech that Jhb has rolled out? And where did you get the 12.5% figure from? (and yes, that definitely helps the decision :))



Thanks, I know about that site, but it didn't seem to have my specific answers.




Aarto is not implemented in Limpopo. How did you get the fine? Via post or did they pull you over? If you just got it via mail, then you can safely ignore it until (or if) they come and deliver it at your house, but for R100, it is most likely that they'll just write it off.

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Hi Viper, sorry for hi-jacking your thread a bit.
I was pulled over. I hope that they just write it off as well.

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Originally Posted by Tydmors

Hi Viper, sorry for hi-jacking your thread a bit.
I was pulled over. I hope that they just write it off as well.

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No problem.
Noooo... If you were pulled over, you have to pay before the court date. Otherwise they'll issue an arrest warrant due to failure to appear in court which in itself incurs another fine of R400 (or used to be years ago). I suggest you call the magistrate court and ask them how to pay the fine.

For all provinces except for Gauteng, a fine you receive in the mail is just a notice whereas a fine you receive when being pulled over is a summons.

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Originally Posted by ViperGTI

Thanks, useful. Do you have any information about this new tech that Jhb has rolled out? And where did you get the 12.5% figure from? (and yes, that definitely helps the decision :))

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New tech...they are rolling out automated cameras. Looks a bit like a consumer camera on a tripod...pretty much impossible to spot in time since there isn't an oke standing behind it. i.e. low profile & easy to make it blend in.

12.5%...can't remember...its floating around the web somewhere. Think I saw it in a news24/IOL article. Should be moderately easy to google.

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Originally Posted by HavocXphere

New tech...they are rolling out automated cameras. Looks a bit like a consumer camera on a tripod...pretty much impossible to spot in time since there isn't an oke standing behind it. i.e. low profile & easy to make it blend in.

12.5%...can't remember...its floating around the web somewhere. Think I saw it in a news24/IOL article. Should be moderately easy to google.

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Yip! Roodepoort / Constantia / Randburg is vrot with these new cameras. It's small enough to hide behind a chevron board. You usually spot their cars down the road (or if you're lucky, up the road) from where it is. I've got a feeling guys are gonna get HELLA fines from these new cameras.

Moral of the story guys - don't speed. And if you do want to play with your car, for heavens sake, scout the area first and do it safely.

I recently received a fine on the N2 in the Mossel Bay District for R400. I saw on the aarto.gov.za website that if you pay within 32 days you get 50% off the fine?

Does anyone have any experience with this? What is the easiest method of payment for the discount to apply? (I live in CT, so going to the Mossel Bay traffic department is not an option).

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Originally Posted by HavocXphere

New tech...they are rolling out automated cameras. Looks a bit like a consumer camera on a tripod...pretty much impossible to spot in time since there isn't an oke standing behind it. i.e. low profile & easy to make it blend in.

12.5%...can't remember...its floating around the web somewhere. Think I saw it in a news24/IOL article. Should be moderately easy to google.

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Ok, just found out it uses radar (the reason why my "device" doesn't pick it up). I know they used these unattended radar cams at one stage between Nelspruit and Middelburg (not sure if it was the same brand), but they eventually had to stop using it because it was too unreliable. For instance, there was a picture in the local newspaper at the time (taken from a speeding fine), showing a guy standing next to his vehicle, talking on the phone and the ticket claiming he is doing 140km/h at that moment. Think these are probably different brand / tech though. :(

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Originally Posted by Helix

I recently received a fine on the N2 in the Mossel Bay District for R400. I saw on the aarto.gov.za website that if you pay within 32 days you get 50% off the fine?

Does anyone have any experience with this? What is the easiest method of payment for the discount to apply? (I live in CT, so going to the Mossel Bay traffic department is not an option).

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Aarto only applies to fines received in Gauteng. See my message above if you've received the fine via mail. If you got pulled over, you can perhaps go to the court or write them and ask for discount.

Thanks ViperGTI! Do you think R400 is too big that they'll definitely follow it up with a home-delivery of a futher summons/or write it off?

As a varsity student, R400 is a bit of a blow to my bank account, so if I can get out of it/reduce it, that would be great. On the fine it said, "representation must be submitted within 7 days", which has passed (only received it after the 7 day period anyway..) Could I still go to the department and make a plea for it to be reduced?

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Originally Posted by ViperGTI

No problem.
Noooo... If you were pulled over, you have to pay before the court date. Otherwise they'll issue an arrest warrant due to failure to appear in court which in itself incurs another fine of R400 (or used to be years ago). I suggest you call the magistrate court and ask them how to pay the fine.

For all provinces except for Gauteng, a fine you receive in the mail is just a notice whereas a fine you receive when being pulled over is a summons.

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just my luck, i've been phoning all the traffic department numbers that i could fine and each one just gives me another number until the last 2 places gave me numbers that nobody picks up.

I will try the little area's magistrates court number again a little later as no one is picking up the phone there either.