I think Elder scroll V will the next 120 + hour epic. BioWare will deliver another top notch story with DA2.
I think what is key to BioWare is story, yes some other titles may have been longer but DA, ME 1 & 2 all had epic stories.
Oblivion and the like, maybe even the witcher, was more of a "create your own adventure" game. I personally could never get into the Witcher.
My problem with the Elder Scrolls is that they lack story, choice and tangible consequence. In the great tapestries of interwoven choices, consequences and drama, Elder Scrolls is what Days of Our Lives is to Star Wars.Originally Posted by OmegaFenix
Yes, Elder Scrolls has a market and there are people who enjoy it but... I'm not one of those people. Skyrim may be different, it may be that Bethesda have finally learnt what makes an RPG tick rather than just creating another pretty world with lifeless characters and meaningless character development. I doubt it, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Stories are the key to any real RPG. A story that you, as the role-player, affect.I think what is key to BioWare is story, yes some other titles may have been longer but DA, ME 1 & 2 all had epic stories.
Incorrect. Oblivion was a sandbox RPG. And even as an RPG, it was more of an action-adventure game with some RPG mechanics than an actual born-and-bred RPG. The Witcher was a true, die-hard RPG no different to Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Planescape, Arcanum or others.Oblivion and the like, maybe even the witcher, was more of a "create your own adventure" game. I personally could never get into the Witcher.
Other sandbox RPGs include Two Worlds, Gothic and Risen.
Also, can't believe you never managed to get into The Witcher. It was a beautiful and amazing game. Plus, it had boobiesAlso, I feel The Witcher is a much darker RPG than Dragon Age and that is a large part in what captivates my heart.
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One thing I have to disagree on, DA:O's actual story may have been short but - like all RPG games - it's the side quests that give it it's longevity. Look at Mass Effect 2 it only had 4 main missions (Which weren't long at all) save the colony on Horizon, investigate the abandoned Collector ship, investigate the derelict Reaper and then finally Suicide mission. The rest of the game was getting your crew loyal, and completing the odd mission you found whilst scanning a planet.
The Witcher may have felt more fulfilling because it didn't have that many side quests but it did have quite a long story (When measured in mission).
Now I don't want DA2 to fall into the groove along side ME2. Getting your crew loyal was fun but it was also VERY repetitive. DA2 need a good story with lots of side quests. Which by the sounds of it won't be happening like all us RPG fans want
"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
My problem with the Elder Scrolls is that they lack story, choice and tangible consequence. In the great tapestries of interwoven choices, consequences and drama, Elder Scrolls is what Days of Our Lives is to Star Wars.
Yes, Elder Scrolls has a market and there are people who enjoy it but... I'm not one of those people. Skyrim may be different, it may be that Bethesda have finally learnt what makes an RPG tick rather than just creating another pretty world with lifeless characters and meaningless character development. I doubt it, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Stories are the key to any real RPG. A story that you, as the role-player, affect.
Incorrect. Oblivion was a sandbox RPG. And even as an RPG, it was more of an action-adventure game with some RPG mechanics than an actual born-and-bred RPG. The Witcher was a true, die-hard RPG no different to Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Planescape, Arcanum or others.
Other sandbox RPGs include Two Worlds, Gothic and Risen.
Also, can't believe you never managed to get into The Witcher. It was a beautiful and amazing game. Plus, it had boobies
It was its flaunting of the boobs and the ingame sex that pissed me off, found the whole shebang rather juvenile. All you have to do is give a chic a pair of gloves and she would be jumping up and down on your +5 staff of penetration.
I much Prefer ME 1 & 2's approach to sex. Much more mature.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...22-The-Witcher
Says the man who posts boobs on tk
Amen, brother! Definitely live for RPGs here as well <3 Well, not exclusively, but I find it to be one of life's greatest pleasures <3
*grin* Not often I get to discuss RPGs, so forgive me if I relish this :3One thing I have to disagree on, DA:O's actual story may have been short but - like all RPG games - it's the side quests that give it it's longevity. Look at Mass Effect 2 it only had 4 main missions (Which weren't long at all) save the colony on Horizon, investigate the abandoned Collector ship, investigate the derelict Reaper and then finally Suicide mission. The rest of the game was getting your crew loyal, and completing the odd mission you found whilst scanning a planet.
One tiny little detail you're forgetting is that there were tangible consequences for NOT doing the side-quests in Mass Effect 2. By doing the side-quests you gain the loyalty of your followers, increase their survivability in the suicide mission, which upgrades your ship will have as well as some minor other benefits. By choosing not to do the side-quests, you could change the outcome of your game.
Can you think of so much as one tangible consequence for not doing a side-quest (chantry boards, mage collective) in Dragon Age: Origins?
AgreedThe Witcher may have felt more fulfilling because it didn't have that many side quests but it did have quite a long story (When measured in mission).Sheesh, I'm actually finding it difficult to remember events in The Witcher, must be time for another playthrough
Especially since I no longer have my previous saves (must have them for when Witcher 2 is released!)
*nod* I have no doubts that I will enjoy Dragon Age 2. I just find it difficult to grasp a few... changes. A mage jumping around like a ninja on crack, for example, bugs me :/Now I don't want DA2 to fall into the groove along side ME2. Getting your crew loyal was fun but it was also VERY repetitive. DA2 need a good story with lots of side quests. Which by the sounds of it won't be happening like all us RPG fans want
Yep, But posting boobs in tk is suppose to be juvinile and silly since there is no context. The Witcher's foray into spreading his seed with everything that has 2 legs and a vagina, inside the context of the game brought the entire experience down. The game tries to tell a serious story but breaks off every now and again, gives the player a post card with tits on it like its trying to keep u interested.Says the man who posts boobs on tk
*shrug* You're no doubt aware that boobs and sex don't really appeal to me, so it's hardly as though I ever really pursued those options. In my second or third play-through I did, just to find out more about the background and all that.
I wouldn't really call it juvenile and it's not often that they flaunted boobs (outside of the cards). The dryad, for example, I thought was brilliantly done, boobs and all because it was... believable. A dryad, a creature of nature, walking around all green and... boobed, for lack of a better description. It worked and it worked well.
So Geralt is a sex object, I'm sure he can handle it
*gasp* Heathen!
Witchers are sterile, he's not spreading seed so much as being used by the boobed ones for their own wicked intentions!
Anyway, I wasn't fond of the sleep-with-everything-that-moves aspect, but that aspect was still, entirely, a choice. It was there and available if you wanted it and not if you didn't
Ooooh... or maybe you couldn't resist knocking on heaven's door? *GRIN*
Oh well Having not finished it I can't say that I really that I am missing anything. I much Prefered Demon's Souls.*gasp* Heathen!
Witchers are sterile, he's not spreading seed so much as being used by the boobed ones for their own wicked intentions!
Anyway, I wasn't fond of the sleep-with-everything-that-moves aspect, but that aspect was still, entirely, a choice. It was there and available if you wanted it and not if you didn't
Ooooh... or maybe you couldn't resist knocking on heaven's door? *GRIN*
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