ADSL without landline not financially viable

[matt]

Oh noes!

Telkom's first encounter with the real world out there without big brother's monopoly rules. Everything looks so scary & un-viable.

Majoor explained that [monthly] line rental covers the [once-off & sunk] cost of the copper from the clients’ premise to the Telkom exchange

And that ladies & gents is why Telkoms entire argument is bullshit.

I wonder if someone could make this case then. If unbundling takes place, could ISP's install the last-mile copper from the premises to the exchange for a once off fee, and then Telkom would only be able to charge for the connection from DSLAM to BRAS as they put it. But of course, Telkom will say that no-one else is allowed to install lines

[Ichigo]

they should seperate the two like most countries do

[Tank]

face it folks this is telskelm we are talking about, they'll milk us til we die

[Ichigo]

face it folks this is telskelm we are talking about, they'll milk us til we die

well one day they will be hit in the face, it happens everytime in history

[ZAP_Tech]

I wonder if someone could make this case then. If unbundling takes place, could ISP's install the last-mile copper from the premises to the exchange for a once off fee, and then Telkom would only be able to charge for the connection from DSLAM to BRAS as they put it. But of course, Telkom will say that no-one else is allowed to install lines

Guess it workon which method of unbundling is chosen, and by the looks of it most ISP cant maintain the last mile at the moment. But serious, if telkom showed more value proposition they would be better off instead they would rather screw us over and than keeps us happy and willing to spend.

[HoboMincer]

Wish I could get a landline/adsl Stupid telkom wont even give me that. even at the prices they charge. :/

Down with telkom and their dasterdly ways!

[Graal]

face it folks this is telskelm we are talking about, they'll milk us til we die

I'm not sure why, but that cracked me up.

[Solitude]

My adsl line is so broken and there's nothing that Telkom can do about it because they are blaming it on overcongestion. Add to that that I'm paying for a voice line that I'm not using and you've got a very unhappy customer.

Telkom should just go away already.

[Tank]

sadly they won't, as the guvmunt own them

[Slipperyduck]

Cost of copper cable from Exchange to Pole - R2000
Cost of copper cable from Pole to Customer R50
Total Customers over Single Cable to Exchange 50

Chargest to recoup costs on Installation of massively expensive copper cable to the exchange R383.37/customer
Line Rental per customer (excluding ADSL) R111.90

Once off Cost of 48port DSLAM R16000.00 (R334/port)
Installation of DSL cost per customer R490.00

DSL Rentals
384k R152.00, 512k/1Mb R326.00, 4Mb R413.00

*Exchange "Room" rental unknown
*Electricity Charges unknown (Let's take how much it costs and add a few Zeros')
*On-going support (hahahahahahahahaaa - sorry) costs unknown, how many times can you onward bill the customer, nah, lets just push on a massive amount to the customer here too....
*BackHaul SONET Network (sheesh, if you havent recouped your costs on the SONET network from your Business customers [take bills and multiply between 2 and 10] by now - why are you in this business?)

Now it doesn't take much Engineering or Business acumen to work out that there's OBVIOUSLY a lot of FAT fed to the customer when it's really not that expensive to run the exchanges, which they are claiming are SO DARN EXPENSIVE from the customer to the exchange. We're not stupid Telkom, you're making a massive profit and burning it away by throwing it on the oldest gravy train in the country.

If you(Telkom) dump voice line rental on my line, you're still gonna make a huge profit for doing bugger all anyway. You're third cousins girlfriend does NOT need the New BMW, please don't make me pay for it.