i got the LE purely to get the VIP cars (learned this time round after forza 3) while im loving the game immensely and dominating laptimes in rivals (as well as the significant cash boost)... one of the cars i was unable to use in forza 3 due to VIP pack is now no longer in the car lineup... the Ferrari F430 Scuderia. If i want to drive this car i either have to either buy the VIP pack for forza 3 and start my F4 profile again so i can import it... or slave away building a ridiculous amount of credits in the hopes of buying the "Unicorn car" on the AH... of all the cars in both forza 3 and 4... the one i wanted most was the scuderia purely bcos i couldnt have it without having to buy the VIP pack... i mean the camaro ZR1 is available and that was VIP in F3 so why not the scuderia?? sigh :? other than that... FANTASTIC game