Soul Calibur V critic reviews

[Strifehart]

How do you PEGI a poster? We have already established that few parents pay attention to age restrictions & most retailers ignore them completely so plastering that all over building is going make -16 male adolescents want to play it because

so the PEGI 16 means bugger all. If I was under 16 I would consider it a reason to play the game, that's part of human psychology - we all want to do what we are not allowed to do.

You're conveniently disregarding the cultural differences at play here in order to facilitate your own stance. Normal day-time anime aimed at children has more occurrences on boobs, fanservice and nudity than this single ad campaign.

This marketing campaign does not exist beyond the boundaries of Japan. There's no innocent western kids that's going to be influenced by it any more than advertisements (of a similar nature) for perfumes, lingerie, etc which they currently see in stores or on billboards at the side of roads. If anyone's in the wrong here, it's the western media making this a big issue. They are the only ones who are drawing attention to it. You'd never be aware of this if these sites didn't deem it "newsworthy".

You're honestly making a mountain of a molehill by attempting to force your own set of morals onto a piece of advertising media that's not even directly/locally available to (nor direct at) you, without visiting local sites that copy/paste "news" from international sites. This is tabloid worthy "news" and not even worth putting this amount of discussion into it imho.

[Intoxik8ed]

Take the history of comic books, saw the special thing on tv. there was a time when all comic books had the same degrading type of stories if i remember correctly after the death of superman issue. when ideas got pushed too far it reverted to something awesome. Was just a phase. Gaming is in the same boat bringing out generic overly used ideas and concepts. As a gamer I want something new , a fresh idea. when that turn around point gets struck the ad and campaigning will not need sensationalism to sell products. Can only hope it comes soon.

[OmegaFenix]

You're conveniently disregarding the cultural differences at play here in order to facilitate your own stance. Normal day-time anime aimed at children has more occurrences on boobs, fanservice and nudity than this single ad campaign.

This marketing campaign does not exist beyond the boundaries of Japan. There's no innocent western kids that's going to be influenced by it any more than advertisements (of a similar nature) for perfumes, lingerie, etc which they currently see in stores or on billboards at the side of roads. If anyone's in the wrong here, it's the western media making this a big issue. They are the only ones who are drawing attention to it. You'd never be aware of this if these sites didn't deem it "newsworthy".

You're honestly making a mountain of a molehill by attempting to force your own set of morals onto a piece of advertising media that's not even directly/locally available to (nor direct at) you, without visiting local sites that copy/paste "news" from international sites. This is tabloid worthy "news" and not even worth putting this amount of discussion into it imho.

Did you just skip over my entire argument? It has nothing to do with my... Oh Frak it, if it hasn't broke though by now it never will. Like I said before watch the videos I posted and maybe, just maybe, (if you are able for disregard the "cultural" issue that I had hoped I put to bed 2 or 3 pages ago) you will understand the point I was trying to make, the point that used Ivy's jubblies as example.

[OmegaFenix]

Take the history of comic books, saw the special thing on tv. there was a time when all comic books had the same degrading type of stories if i remember correctly after the death of superman issue. when ideas got pushed too far it reverted to something awesome. Was just a phase. Gaming is in the same boat bringing out generic overly used ideas and concepts. As a gamer I want something new , a fresh idea. when that turn around point gets struck the ad and campaigning will not need sensationalism to sell products. Can only hope it comes soon.

Check out The Big Picture with MovieBob Chipman over on the escapist. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...he-big-picture) He has a few episodes about comics doing that, the 2 that deal with Miss Marvel is particularly interesting.

Yep we are already seeing games attempting more serious topics with more maturity. We can only hope that this catches on and publishers won't have to resort to this kind of thing to sell games.

[Strifehart]

Did you just skip over my entire argument? It has nothing to do with my... Oh Frak it, if it hasn't broke though by now it never will. Like I said before watch the videos I posted and maybe, just maybe, (if you are able for disregard the "cultural" issue that I had hoped I put to bed 2 or 3 pages ago) you will understand the point I was trying to make, the point that used Ivy's jubblies as example.

You can't disregard the cultural issue, because it would completely alter the context of the discussion. In fact the actual "issue" or discussion is only present due to the presence of cultural differences.

It doesn't affect any of us any more than what I had for dinner affects you. This irresponsible culture of "reporting" on nonsense completely elevates irrelevant pieces of information to "newsworthy" stories.

I will have a look at these videos you are referring to, but I'll still obviously develop my own opinion on the topics of the videos.

[Ze Snake]

I still dont understand the argument... How many children watch shows like Californication? Media in general has no filter when passed from HDD to HDD. Its like you're saying the worlds boob related marketing was pinned down on SC5... and then based on this people dont take gaming seriously. I take gaming seriously. Most of my friends on xbox live do. Competition's increasing, prizes from third party companies sponsoring competitions and tournements etc.

The amount of active gamers worldwide, the age difference, gaming used in media and sitcoms and movies based on games/franchises would indicate that gaming is taken seriously. If you ask me the stigma of 'gaming is for geeks' is still much MUCH more powerful than the stigma created by some boobs.

I wonder how many people here that play SC bought it because of the boobs? I dont choose characters based on who has boobs. And I've always loved the art and character styling of SC. And to be honest what attracted my attention more to Ivy wasnt her boobs... but her weapon. A sword whip? Thats just cool.

I dont know anybody that has chosen to play a game based on sexual attraction. Not since Leisure Suit Larry. And the last LSL was so crap it proved that a quality game is not just about boob size. SC is a damn good fighting game.

To say gaming not taken seriously because of this marketing seems far fetched. Ever since I got my xbox and started becoming active in forums i was suprised at how busy the industry is. Is gaming really not taken seriously????

[OmegaFenix]

Did you actually watch ANY of the vids I posted up, because if you did and you still dont get it no amount of me trying the explain it will EVER get through?
I think everyone seems to get stuck on the SC5 issue, it provided me with an example. My reasons for not buying it is my own.

You are looking at it as a gamer. Sure as a gamer you are bound to think "its ok", gamers take gaming seriously & function under the assumption that its taken seriously by non-gamer, serious as business yes, serious as a art form fuck no.
All 6 pages of my posts have been about how this sort of this, NOT JUST IVY TIT POSTER, but MW3's home movie cineamatic, the hot coffee controversy, Mass Effect Sex Simulator (Fox New taking Mass Effect's sex out of context and causing a huge hoo-haa), MW2 air port level, Six Days in Fallujah, pick a the gaming controversy, reflects on game to NON gamers, laymen, the average Joe, people who dont spend hours on a forum or game. People that dont love and understand the industry.

I am done trying to make the point, it has been made. I've provided reference and even external material by a respected video game web series regarding this "issue."

[OmegaFenix]

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