What about well established IPs? Are you more likely to buy them on release?Originally Posted by ViperGTI
What about well established IPs? Are you more likely to buy them on release?
Ai, don't really have anything to say so I will leave you guys with this:
OmegaFenix, honestly. Jesus man. Get over yourself a bit. Stop plying this whole "god's gift to gamer-kind" angle, and for once, read what's written without putting words in anyone's mouths.
Where did I say being a hobby gamer means you tell casual gamers what they should or shouldn't play? Or that they're the one's ruining the industry? In fact, where, in this thread, did I say anything negative about casual gamers? Anything negative in my posts comes from your overactive imagination.
The only thing I've said thus far is that casual gamers generally buy established brands, because they're familiar with them. Economics 101.
I never said being a hobby gamer makes you an elitist prick. Elitist pricks are elitist pricks, so please, take your accusations of 'discrimination' to someone who they actually apply to.
For someone who loves mouthing off on my grossly inflated sense of self you do an awful lot of assuming. Please point out to me where I said you said anything?
I also didn't accuse you of anything, merely suggested you may be confusing the two.
So follow your own advice and read.
So now that we all know that money ruined games, what can we do about it?For someone who loves mouthing off on my grossly inflated sense of self you do an awful lot of assuming. Please point out to me where I said you said anything?
I also didn't accuse you of anything, merely suggested you may be confusing the two.
So follow your own advice and read.
We can:
1) Try and convince the masses to stop supporting shit and let it be known that we are actually really yearning for originality.
2) Support Indie developers/make our own mods with mod tools.
Does any remember when Counter-Strike first came out? It was omgwowwtf and it became popular, and it was fun. Fun as shit! Same with Dota. It became more enjoyable than Warcraft III itself.
And look at DayZ for instance. It's an awesome idea. Too bad the Arma II engine is so terrible, but it's something relatively new. And it even sort of kickstarted a new project called The War Z. Which you can register for here, btw.
There has been so many mods that came out for games that were way more fun than the original games themselves, but where's that these days? Nowhere because developers don't allow modding tools anymore. If people don't want to make fun games anymore, and just churn out the biggest load of kuk every 3 months, at least let the communities use tools to make their own damn games.
i was just thinking this weekend, whilst playing Dead Island, how cool it would've been to have 2 slegdehammers, one in each hand, with spinning attacks and double hammer slam...
Games have become seriously mind-numbing. It's ridiculous. Every time I get my hopes up for a game, it eventually releases and turns out to be a disappointment which just makes me feel unexcited for any future releases.
*Turns the dial down a notch or ten*
Quick note about 'casual gamers' I honestly hate that term, it's so abused, overused and distorted that it now means almost nothing. If you are buying Skyrim you are not a casual gamers, either that or everyone who buys Skyrim is a casual gamer since it's unlikely anyone that bought Skyrim doesn't play games as a hobby.
Ok so anyway, new IP, old IP , strange weird and freaky IP. There is NOTHING wrong with established IP, some comic characters have been around for more than half a century, some book series have been going on for decades, even some TV series have been going for a decade and sometimes longer. Established IP means familiarity it means comfort. People like things they are familiar with, it's easy for them to jump into. When you extend this to games it's not only story, characters and settings but it's also gameplay mechanics.
So the more familiar you make a game the lower the barrier for entry becomes the more people you can encourage to try you game.
I'm not going to dislike a game just because it's sequel, I'll dislike it because maybe I feel it doesn't add very much to previous games or maybe because the game itself just isn't good. But disliking a games just because of it's name is silly. Also I often like sequels, they provide an opportunity for the developer to learn from the previous game and build a better game.
Yes sure it would be nice if fewer people bought CoD and more people bought KoA but you can't just expect that to happen, you have to plan with the knowledge that you can't just expect huge sales on your brand new IP and that you have to build it up.
It depends on how good the first game / two was. Batman AC & ME3 I pre-ordered... Assassin's Creed Brotherhood I got a couple of months after release and Revelations about the same time as release. Skyrim I got on special quite a while after release. So it varies.
The developer also plays a role obviously... I got Mass Effect 1 for less than R100, a couple of years after released and based on that game alone, I went out and bought Dragon Age and pre-ordered ME2 (my first pre-order ever).
The thing with established IPs, is that while they were new IPs themselves at one stage, they've proven themselves during that stage which makes it almost a safe bet for buying "blindly".
So although I do like established IPs, new is also good. Got a bunch of new stuff during the Steam summer sale that I wouldn't have bought at full price as it was at release, but now at more affordable rates, it is worth taking experimenting.
Last edited by ViperGTI; 23-07-2012 at 03:20 PM.
No guts, no glory, no brain, same story.
You were attacking my posts, using my examples to go on about people bashing on casual gamers, and saying that it isn't distinction, but discrimination. So my apologies that the only logical conclusion is that you're calling me elitist or discriminatory towards casual gamers, especially seeing as I'm the only one who brought up casual gamers up to that point.For someone who loves mouthing off on my grossly inflated sense of self you do an awful lot of assuming. Please point out to me where I said you said anything?
I also didn't accuse you of anything, merely suggested you may be confusing the two.
So follow your own advice and read.
No I was stating a fact, all you have to do is play any game with other people to hear how the "core" gamers attack casuals and that IS discrimination. No where did I say you are one of those or that you even discriminate. Yet your immediate response is jump on the defensive, and you say I have self esteem issues.
As for "Attacking" your post... Dude I dont even have words. You talk to me about attack but this is your go to response?
I'll make you a deal, if you are so offended and feel so victimised by my post there is an easy solution. Add me to your ignore list and be done with it other wise just grow up.
Now that the personal "attacks" are out of the way we can get back on topic.
Just to be fair, I haven't seen MegaFenix attack anyone for a while now :P
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