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    I know the blabla you will get fair usage 1mb up and down but does that mean I will see 1mb/s on my bittorrent client or will I see the same old 100kb download speed with 100 kb upload if so then what is the point as I really see fluctuations besides with peak times (which I have no problems with) so basically is it worth it will I see at least 3 times the download speed on bittorrent as well as steam ect thanks

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    Shaped - You will probably not get 100kbps during the day using torrents, dependant on your ISPs usage
    Unshaped - You may get 100kbps during the day with torrents, depending on the source.

    This is on 1 Meg, and your upload will not be 1Meg as well, will be quite a bit less (384/512, can't even remember).

    I found that Unshaped is faster most of the times when using torrents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBlaar View Post
    Shaped - You will probably not get 100kbps during the day using torrents, dependant on your ISPs usage
    Unshaped - You may get 100kbps during the day with torrents, depending on the source.

    This is on 1 Meg, and your upload will not be 1Meg as well, will be quite a bit less (384/512, can't even remember).

    I found that Unshaped is faster most of the times when using torrents.
    but most of all will it excel at gaming seeing as though that is the main usage of my internet at the moment

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    Remember that your torrent client shows your speed in bytes per second, whereas your line speed is given in bits per second. They differ by a factor of 8, and you also lose ~15-20% due to the overheads of data.

    1024 kilobits / sec = 128 kilobytes / sec
    80% of 128 kilobytes /s = 102.4 kilobytes per second.

    So ~100 kB/s download speed is exactly what you should get for a 1 meg line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar View Post
    Remember that your torrent client shows your speed in bytes per second, whereas your line speed is given in bits per second. They differ by a factor of 8, and you also lose ~15-20% due to the overheads of data.

    1024 kilobits / sec = 128 kilobytes / sec
    80% of 128 kilobytes /s = 102.4 kilobytes per second.

    So ~100 kB/s download speed is exactly what you should get for a 1 meg line.
    This.

    I was about to say, how on earth can you be expecting to see 300KB/s on a 1mbps line. As far as shaped an unshaped goes for gaming, I would say most ISPs have taken an active interest in gaming and have tried to optimise their networks for gaming so you shouldn't really see much difference between the two.

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    Unless you go with KAK cybersmart, who advertise their inability to shape their network due to technical skill, and call this unshaped, ie. no preference of ports or services, just slower in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBlaar View Post
    Unless you go with KAK cybersmart, who advertise their inability to shape their network due to technical skill, and call this unshaped, ie. no preference of ports or services, just slower in general.
    This ^

    Quote Originally Posted by MOnk View Post
    I would say most ISPs have taken an active interest in gaming and have tried to optimise their networks for gaming
    Cybersmart is definitely not one of those ISPs. +50ms latency on any server, constant spikes and disconnects. Been having this problem since I signed up with them. Want to change my ISP but can't really afford it right now since Cybersmart has the cheapest 384k uncapped offering.

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    Unshaped is the best for gaming, torrents and everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleVR101 View Post
    I know the blabla you will get fair usage 1mb up and down but does that mean I will see 1mb/s on my bittorrent client or will I see the same old 100kb download speed with 100 kb upload if so then what is the point as I really see fluctuations besides with peak times (which I have no problems with) so basically is it worth it will I see at least 3 times the download speed on bittorrent as well as steam ect thanks
    No. Just No.
    please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_units

    In order to get you're mythical "1Mb/s" download speed on your bit torrent, you'll need firstly a UN-SHAPED 8Mb/s+ DSL line.
    Last edited by Glordit; 25-09-2012 at 11:23 PM.

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