Valve and Icefrog

[Cyrus]

I prefer DoTA to HoN. It's really not about the graphics, it just plays better. I reckon with IceFrog at the helm, any project with an AoS feel to it will not only catch up, but overtake anything else out there.

Yeah I totally agree with u on that.

Neither of you guys are quite right, lol.

Guinsoo created Dota All-stars, but the original Dota map, which All-stars is based on, was made by Eul (also an item named after him). But yeah, it was an AoS type map, just much simpler than most. To be fair, Guinsoo did most of the groundwork for core Dota gameplay, even tho 5.xx wasn't really balanced too well and could be pretty buggy, and it was already popular when Icefrog took over. Icefrog, in turn, did a really good job of refining the game.

I think everyone involved deserves kudos here, and we've got a bunch of great games thanks to them

Yeah every1 deserves kudos and yeah I knew about Eul.