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    I feel sorry for the passengers on the taxis who wern't expecting something like this to happen and give my prayers to their families.

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    Can people stop writing their own stories on what happened, all we know is there was a crash, brakes failed and police are after a homicide charge. What we don't know is if the company was negligent, nor if the driver had worked a double shift or using the wrong brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike_009 View Post
    Can people stop writing their own stories on what happened, all we know is there was a crash, brakes failed and police are after a homicide charge. What we don't know is if the company was negligent, nor if the driver had worked a double shift or using the wrong brakes.
    Agreed, it doesn't help making assumptions without knowing any concrete facts.

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    Yes people, the speculation police are in the thread now ...... stop posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocXphere View Post
    I totally get that your scenario is possible. But so is simple mechanical failure. You can't just arrest someone on the off chance that one of the possible scenarios is reckless.

    Maybe the cops known something that isn't in the article. Who knows. All I'm saying is those charges seem mighty sketchy based on what little we know.
    But isn't the point of an arrest to hold the person while the charges are being fully investigated? I'm a complete layman here, but isn't an arrest for culpable homicide the norm in an accident where someone dies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar View Post
    But isn't the point of an arrest to hold the person while the charges are being fully investigated? I'm a complete layman here, but isn't an arrest for culpable homicide the norm in an accident where someone dies?
    You'd arrest them if there is a reasonable suspicion, not when there is just a possibility.

    Say someone get shot. A cop hurries to the scene sees someone flee and arrests the person. Reasonable suspicion. versus: Cop storms your house & arrests you for a murder that happened in brakpan because there is a possibility that you were the shooter (along with 50mil other south africans).

    Possibility is just not enough.

    The police does tend towards the MO you suggest in fatal car crashes though. How legal that is - i have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar View Post
    But isn't the point of an arrest to hold the person while the charges are being fully investigated? I'm a complete layman here, but isn't an arrest for culpable homicide the norm in an accident where someone dies?
    Yes, last i checked it's standard procedure for these things. If some idiot runs across the N1 in the middle of the night and he goes through your wind screen, you will be charged with at minimum, manslaughter .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike_009 View Post
    Can people stop writing their own stories on what happened, all we know is there was a crash, brakes failed and police are after a homicide charge. What we don't know is if the company was negligent, nor if the driver had worked a double shift or using the wrong brakes.
    Why are we not allowed to speculate on what we think happened? It's human nature and some even label it as "making conversation". Would you prefer a more quiet thread where people only post articles and offer condolences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster View Post
    Why are we not allowed to speculate on what we think happened? It's human nature and some even label it as "making conversation". Would you prefer a more quiet thread where people only post articles and offer condolences?
    Because this is a case where 27 people died, I don't think it's fair to their families and that of the drivers to jump to conclusions on who to blame and what happened. The other issue I have it isn't speculating, it's people making their own opinions and stating them as fact. It's a tragedy sure but wait until we know the full story before condemning a driver who may or may not have experienced brake failure and thus the control to prevent this accident.

    The other fact here is you as the driver are meant to check that it's clear before proceeding through an intersection even if you have a green so those drivers may have been able to prevent the accident also. However I wasn't there so I don't know the story, I saw a very limited view from a dash-cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HavocXphere View Post
    You'd arrest them if there is a reasonable suspicion, not when there is just a possibility.

    Say someone get shot. A cop hurries to the scene sees someone flee and arrests the person. Reasonable suspicion. versus: Cop storms your house & arrests you for a murder that happened in brakpan because there is a possibility that you were the shooter (along with 50mil other south africans).

    Possibility is just not enough.

    The police does tend towards the MO you suggest in fatal car crashes though. How legal that is - i have no idea.
    Except in this case there is at least a reasonable suspicion that he is guilty of negligent driving. When you come down a hill in a truck you're supposed to be in the same gear you would be in if you were going up the hill. Have a look at that video again. That truck was definitely not in a low gear. It was doing at least 80 when it ran that crossing.

    There is more than enough reason to arrest the guy while charges are filed.

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