Demasculinized game characters
Well if its something that irks you personally then why air it out here, where you looking for support? Plus I haven't really noticed any "overall gender reversal" in society, I've seen a few singular incidents but nothing general.
Gender issues aren't always a friendly topic on the Internet. Personally I feel we should keep our little irks to ourself unless one is willing to have knifes thrown in ones direction.
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I think what the OP is trying to say is that gender roles are being blurred in society and now he's noticing the same trend in video games. It's related to gaming and therefore can be voiced here.Originally Posted by Ike_009
When you reply with "grow a pair" then that's not approaching this topic in a mature manner and is asking for more immature replies.
If you don't think topics like this shouldn't be brought up on a public forum then no one is asking you to reply.
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Demasculinized game characters
And gender roles in society being blurred in society is a problem because? I thought we as society are striving to recognize the individual and not to place people into boxes based on sex, race, wealth and status or is discrimination ok at certain levels? However to draw lines based on gender roles is fairly sexist in my opinion and I'm not a fan of sexism.
I believed society was evolving and with that gender roles are being blurred as people strive for equality as we as society matures. Therefore I see nothing wrong with that same evolution taking place in gaming, unless games have to be about sexualized woman and manly men of yesteryear.
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I think you mean the feminisation of characters.. Demasculation is necessary because in my opinion they make characters more believable and something you could possibly empathize with.. Overly masculine characters are so "outdated" and stereotypical in the sense that they are so masculine it's unreal. Look at marcus fenix and duke nukem and compare them to let's say... Gordon freeman?
To me Gordon is more believable..
As for dem heels man... lol maybe it's just the aesthetics of that particular game? The paradigm shift of demasculinisation happened long ago circa 1990's. Shit's just getting more feminine lol. At least in games from Japan.. because, Japan.
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I wasn't trying to imply an insecurity about secretly being afraid that they're gay deep inside, I was implying that they, themselves, are afraid of no longer being relevant in the world. In other words, that women may well find more "feminine" men more attractive than ye olde hairy boep, bleskop and furry back.
It hints at a legitimate fear everyone experiences to some degree: the dread that modern clothes, music, technology, etc will at some point surpass our ability to "keep up" and that our generation, our time in the world will pass from memory and be replaced.
As for this, I can only agree with your last sentence. There's no point getting into that kind of debate for any reason than to have a confrontation. People should feel free to be, dress, act and behave in whatever manner makes them happy. We all live once, how dare you or anyone else tell someone how they may live their lives or "act" just to please YOU?I believe in clearly defined gender roles, please note - not stereotypical. Women can be strong and independent and men can be in touch with their feelings and enjoy chick flicks :P.
But I do believe that a man should come across in a masculine manner and vice versa for women. When I look at someone I don't think there should be room to debate over whether or not that person is male or female.
This is a big can of worms though, and I don't think this will end well lol.
Not a world I'd like to live in, thanks.
Regarding Raiden, specifically, he's an androgynous character. I, personally, like that, if for no other reason than because it gets people to have precisely these kinds of discussions. Granted, I have a knee-jerk reaction whenever someone seems to take offence at that. I figure if you don't like it, don't play it.
You argument boils down to trying to make people, characters, media, etc conform to the way you want to perceive the world. Why? The very foundation of that argument is broken: people are different, developers, artists, writers, whatever all have different perspectives. To try and argue that it "shouldn't be that way" and that "there's something wrong with media/people/whatever" is incredibly self-righteous and borderline Nazism.
Sure, here's a solution to a functional multi-culti society: ignore it. That's the trick to getting along well with everyone and everything. Don't like something about them? Ignore it and move on.This is a contentious subject and I know it will most probably not end in a few happy posts but it is a subject that others struggle with.
If something promotes hate-speech, intolerance and harm, speak up against it. (P.S. Simply causing "offence" isn't harm and is no excuse for censorship).
Hell, I think most dudes would break the damn shoe long before they break their anklesI still believe dudes were not made to ware high heels. You can break your poor ankles.
I don't wanna quote you out of context, but I read your post earlier and it's been bothering me the whole day.
When you say your friend does not like homosexuals or heterosexuals you are implying that he/she is a misanthrope and not homophobic. Heterosexual means straight, like most of us (generalisation, I know) . Not sure if you know this, but I just felt I had to correct you.
Please ignore my post if your friend is in fact not heterosexual and he/she can't stand hetero- or homosexual people.
As far as the whole gender topic is concerned I don't really want to get involved, but I'm inclined to agree with Lycanthrope. It's your life and you can choose to live it how you want, not how society wants you to live it. You can date who you want (regardless of gender), and dress in whichever way you want. It's nobody else's business how you want to live your life.
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Lol I've noticed that too but why did you have to sully a post that took so much effort and thought? :PI don't wanna quote you out of context, but I read your post earlier and it's been bothering me the whole day.
When you say your friend does not like homosexuals or heterosexuals you are implying that he/she is a misanthrope and not homophobic. Heterosexual means straight, like most of us (generalisation, I know) . Not sure if you know this, but I just felt I had to correct you.
Please ignore my post if your friend is in fact not heterosexual and he/she can't stand hetero- or homosexual people.
As far as the whole gender topic is concerned I don't really want to get involved, but I'm inclined to agree with Lycanthrope. It's your life and you can choose to live it how you want, not how society wants you to live it. You can date who you want (regardless of gender), and dress in whichever way you want. It's nobody else's business how you want to live your life.
Haha, I couldn't help it. From reading the other posts it didn't look like anyone noticed so I thought I might as well point it out.
Sorry, I was trying to give my opinion on the sexism and not the forever alone person but we can talk about that I guessHaha, I couldn't help it. From reading the other posts it didn't look like anyone noticed so I thought I might as well point it out.
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Demasculinized game characters
The end of this post is trueI don't wanna quote you out of context, but I read your post earlier and it's been bothering me the whole day.
When you say your friend does not like homosexuals or heterosexuals you are implying that he/she is a misanthrope and not homophobic. Heterosexual means straight, like most of us (generalisation, I know) . Not sure if you know this, but I just felt I had to correct you.
Please ignore my post if your friend is in fact not heterosexual and he/she can't stand hetero- or homosexual people.
I might have used hetero wrong though by mistake, what I mean by that is a straight male that acts more feminine. So forgive me If I'm butchering heterosexual.
Last edited by Duke Dude; 26-10-2013 at 06:54 PM.
"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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