I think there are exceptions to that rule, like if it's Hitler. or Pol Potts. or MugabeOriginally Posted by TBlaar
I think there are exceptions to that rule, like if it's Hitler. or Pol Potts. or Mugabe
Errr....TBlaar....your comment is very biased indeed. Smoking a joint is not the same as killing women and children. You're severely lacking perspective here. The only "exception" to the rule, like Malice pointed out, seems to be personal opinion based on what's popular. That's a lemming approach if I've ever seen it. Trust me, if ANY of those people he killed were somehow part of your friends or family, you'd have a very different opinion today.
What you're saying is that it doesn't matter what a person did, as long as it's "a long time ago". Wow...just, wow.
What you fail to recognize is that without his influence there is a good chance we would not have had a country in any shape or form left. You've made your views quite clear in other threads. No one says ignore the past but you are blinded by it. Pity, but I guess that you are going to leave the country in any event, so what do you care!
He signed off on the deaths of innocent people, lots of them
Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights
-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983
-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985
-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988
-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986
-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead
-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987
-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988
Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”
Great post, sir.
Rest in peace, Tata. Thank you for giving to so many selflessly.
Well, at the end of the day - I think the majority of posts in here were quite constructive. Apart from the one or two "usual suspects" who make things personal (hey Fivel ol' chum?) this was a pretty good thread. In the end, the man is departed and what he left behind is nothing to be proud of. SA went from a 1st World status that could literally give an "up yours" salute to any other country including the US, to a 3rd World crumbling mess much like Zimbabwe. May he rest in peace, because his cronies will carry on without issue.
Quite a few people are missing the point - Mandela as a president did something many rulers/presidents failed to do. He sought a peaceful resolution, that didn't end up in a mass genocide or a dictatorship. Although we are nearing the state that Zim is in, we should all be thankful to Mandela that we are alive and well, more or less.
He was a terrorist, yes, but he was a terrorist fighting for a good cause. If freedom isn't worth fighting for, then I don't know what is.
I for one am thankful that he has finally passed away, the poor man has suffered enough. May he rest in piece.
Last edited by Lyt; 06-12-2013 at 06:18 PM.
I try, but cannot see a single constructive comment in any of your posts - and yes I am biased pretty much to anything you post. Yes it was a good thread until you got involved.
What you fail to grasp is that Mandela, while still very influential till the end, has not been running the country for a while and he would most likely also admit that the country is not where it should be. We have never been a 1st world country overall, we have pockets of 1st world.
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