Ellen Page's moving speech at the Time to Thrive Conference

[James]

I agree that religious discussions are a quick way to make people uncomfortable, but the forum is open to pretty much all topics (aside from illegal stuff like how to commit piracy) so we can't enact a rule prohibiting the discussions.

If a tacit agreement is formed to avoid religious debates, then that's great. I think that was already existent, but occasionally it surfaces.

[Crableg]

Neo, regarding the whole "being gay is choice thing", If it was a choice that means you could wake up tomorrow and choose to be attracted to other men ? But you wont be, its just how you are, you arent attracted to other men and the thought of it might even give you the shivers.

Now its the exact same the other way around, if you are gay, that same drive that makes you not attracted to other men, will instead then attract you to other men / woman.

Its just what you are, you cant change it.

[Iam3G]

Thanks James - (whilst all of that is still settling in) - I once again would like to point out that I think the real depression of this thread started when people slandered religion again. So, again, can I ask that we stop doing that as a community, please? I also did not openly "judge" any gay people here. I merely stated my religion does not agree with it (and it doesn't. facts are facts). You chose to read into that what you wanted.

I agree 100% with that you said. If you're going to post about something, be prepared when someone comes out with a counter-argument. All I did was post a simple reply and I got a negative rep with an insulting comment from the person who did it. That person, ol' Clive, wasn't willing to post his comment in the open forum - but rather insisted to make it personal from the word "go". That's not in the spirit of this forum.

Guy, you're contradicting yourself twice over.

One post you say your religion does not agree with it, and the next you say its you who do not agree with it.

Which one is it?

[Clive Woofer]

That person, ol' Clive, wasn't willing to post his comment in the open forum - but rather insisted to make it personal from the word "go". That's not in the spirit of this forum.

This person, ol' Clive, added a comment to the neg-rep that read "What do I think about that? I think you should get your head out of the sand.", which is the exact same thing I've been saying in this thread from the get-go, so maybe you should stop trying to twist the truth in order to martyr yourself.

You know what galls me here? The fact that you insist we're slandering religion, when we're actually just disrespecting your particular brand of religion. Qornea right here is also a christian, ask him whether as a christian, he feels victimized by the posts in this thread?

You can play the victim card all you like old chap, but you're not the victim here.

[Snare]

N - I don't like gay people, but don't mind. It's their choice anyway.
U - Okay cool you're entitled to your views...but being gay isn't a choice...
N - It is - my religion says so.
U - No, I'm gay, I know wasn't a choice.
N - You're wrong.
U - Based on what? Maybe your religion has it wrong.
N - STOP OPPRESSING MY RELIGION!

A summary.

Also I love James. Platonically. #NoHomo

Cool summary. When is the movie coming out

[Neo]

I have personal reasons why I don't agree with it as well. And they're just that - Personal. Nothing that anyone needs to lose sleep over.

If you're going to debate with a Christian about homosexuality and you're going to try and defend it, then both parties are bound to get very offended. Trust me on this. Homosexuality is a very sensitive topic, especially to Christians since it even managed to split the church body even further. But, you guys won't care about that and I won't bore you. Just try and respect someone when they don't agree with your views. It doesn't mean that person doesn't respect you as a PERSON.

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This person, ol' Clive, added a comment to the neg-rep that read "What do I think about that? I think you should get your head out of the sand.", which is the exact same thing I've been saying in this thread from the get-go, so maybe you should stop trying to twist the truth in order to martyr yourself.

You know what galls me here? The fact that you insist we're slandering religion, when we're actually just disrespecting your particular brand of religion. Qornea right here is also a christian, ask him whether as a christian, he feels victimized by the posts in this thread?

You can play the victim card all you like old chap, but you're not the victim here.

I'm sorry if you feel offended or galled. But like James said, don't post something if you're not prepared to hear someone else's opinion on it. What I'm asking for is a little respect when doing so and not go and make things personal - which is exactly what you did.

[Clive Woofer]

I'm sorry if you feel offended or galled. But like James said, don't post something if you're not prepared to hear someone else's opinion on it. What I'm asking for is a little respect when doing so and not go and make things personal - which is exactly what you did.

Well ain't that just peachy. Once again you play the victim. You're the one who told homosexual people that they're wrong and they made a choice, and that they're going to hell to top it off and now we should respect you and not make it personal?

You don't have to agree with homosexuality, but if you're going to voice opinions based on lies and inaccuracies, don't cry blue murder when you're called out on it. Respect is earned. You don't deserve respect simply because it's your opinion.

Also, if you're going to debate about homosexuality to homosexuals, don't be surprised if you're treated with disdain. You're not a victim, you're an asshole parading his homophobia under the banner of religion.

I have personal reasons why I don't agree with it as well. And they're just that - Personal. Nothing that anyone needs to lose sleep over.

Case in point. Religion is just a convenient vehicle for your homophobia.

[GlacieredPyro]

But like James said, don't post something if you're not prepared to hear someone else's opinion on it.

This whole thread is summed up here.
The same goes for you man.

You posted how you and your religion are against homosexuality and that you believe it to be choice. Then you heard other people's views.
They felt offended by your comment on "choice" and you in turn were offended by their comments on your religion.
You cast the first stone so now turn the other cheek.

It's a circle jerk that'll never stop and that is still going on world wide every minute of every day.

[Neo]

Listen....quote where I said that they're going to Hell. Go on. Quote my direct words. You sir, have a problem with my religion as it goes against what you believe and it introduces accountability. There's absolutely nothing strange about that.

The whole time I thought you had a problem with my opinion - but it turns out you're just another Christian hating atheist. That puts everything you said in a totally different light. Thanks!

[James]

Okay guys, I'm going to draw a line in the sand. The religious element of this debate ends now or I will lock the thread.

Alternatively, I propose we lock the thread and start a fresh one with Ellen's speech and try again without the well known religious stance on homosexuality creeping in.

Let's not use comics for strawman attacks, especially when those broadly attack a social group. We wouldn't tolerate it for racism, homosexuality, and atheism, so religion is afforded the same courtesy. The offending images will be removed.

Your move forum members :P