Okay, that's cool. I wasn't implying otherwise, I was asking.
I didn't miss your point - you simply didn't make it clearly enough.I thought that was quite clear.Lots of people want to play the game the way it was released, and not with any mods or anything attached to it.
Of course I've had issues with that in TF2. I'm talking about dedicated servers and communities in general, and the effect those sorts of insular conditions have on casual gamers. What's with the "singling out" stuff? You constantly treat my posts as though they're attacks, rather than bits of a discussion.As to an insular attitude, I'm sure you had that in TF2 as well? In fact, I seem to clearly recall an insular "omglookatthesen00bs" attitude in TF2. Singling out CoD4 as a community with such an attitude is both pointless and irrelevent.
Third party gaming applications. I guess I could've made that clearer, but since we were talking specifically about gaming, I thought that was implied. Steam is also more of a platform than a simple application, and I don't want shit running on top of it. I also don't have a problem with Steam's (or TF2's, or CoD4's) server browser, to be honest.Guess you don't have anti-virus. Or steam. Or skype. Or even an internet browser other than internet explorer. What were you saying in the other post about stupid principles...?
But I don't use Skype (ew).
And yet everyone's jumped all over exploits in MW2 as though it's something new. :POh, and I don't disagree with you about PB. I don't like it and I never have. But Steams VAC service is even more useless, tbh.
And I consider it an unnecessary evil.Actually, I have considered it. I consider a third party app such as xfire to be a necessary "evil" for online gaming.
As I said, I didn't have a problem with it. *shrug*Rather use a simple system such as xfire to manage your online servers than a flaky system such as the original MW1 server browser. If you want to stick with that dodgy server browser, be my guest, but it just seems odd that you don't consider the better alternatives available.
There you go being persecuted again. Seriously, man, it's getting old fast. Please drop it, or I'm going to start ignoring your posts. And I don't mean that in a bitchy way, I'm just getting really tired of it. This is a discussion, not a war.Oh, and before you accuse me of being one of those "1337" players who live on the promod server, let me just mention that I have over 500 hours on the various TDM/mixed servers, and less than 100 on promod (most of the time is made up of clannies).
1. I don't care, of course, because I stopped playing CoD4 on PC and moved over to Xbox where it's not an issue. But what about other people? Which brings me around to point 2:Furthermore, as a casual player, why would you have a problem with the "insular" clan players? They have their servers, you have yours. It's not hard to get a vanilla game, especially something such as MW1. If MW2 had had DS support, I can assure you it would have been exactly the same format as the MW1 servers.
2. I spend about three to four months of the year in the UK. Have you ever looked at a European server browser? It's huge. It's intimidating. And it is hard to get a vanilla game, because a good lot of those servers are running mods. Back to your XFire thing then, and you'll have to agree that nobody should have to install a third party application just to browse games, right? It's a pain in the arse. Of course, it's idealistic to think this, but again, perhaps you're not considering the average player who doesn't even know XFire exists. And yes, I realise this includes people who have absolutely no idea what NAT is. See, it's a discussion, not a war.
Heh, then stop being cheap and invest in better firewall software. :PThe thing is, although you may forward the ports on the router, you often end up having to forward the ports through your firewall, else it simply refuses the packets on principle. As a result, both the hardware firewall on your router and your software firewall are compromised. Thats not secure at all.
Or perhaps devs will come up with a better solution for p2p play. Who knows. Fact is, a lot of people aren't running with compromised security because they're using decent firewalls.In a world where IT security is becoming a bigger issue by the year, a business model like that simply won't survive. People will wise up to the fact that it's hurting the security of their home networks, and they'll leave those ports closed. Which in turn means fewer hosts. Which means fewer games. Which consequently means a game that will die faster.
Also, and I know you're going to hate this but - consoles, anyone? While I agree that PC gaming isn't exactly dying, anyone would have to be delusional not to see that gaming is moving over to console in a huge way. These security risks simply aren't an issue over there - and, be reasonable here, let's agree that this makes development and support that much simpler. Why wouldn't devs want that?
Sure, but maybe not as much as you'd think.I don't disagree that the gaming industry is a profit driven one, but I believe they stand to hurt their own bottom line by ignoring security like this.
Let's revisit this statement in 18 months. ;PI disagree. Although A/B has gone this way, it looks as if EA (the other super-publisher) is going to continue focusing on DS. Which is the way it should be.
Just the one in three years. And it cost me less (well, nothing) to replace while I've recently spent nearly R2500 on PC upgrades. I don't even want to know what maintaining a decent PC has cost me over the last decade or so.Soooo, how many xbox 360s have you gone through thus far?![]()
But that's not why you made the comment, was it? Console hate is so last week.





