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    Default South Africa's long walk to decline

    The end of apartheid was signalled 25 years ago today – but South Africa’s dreams lie in tatters
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-decline.html

    Finally the international world can see what Zuma and the ANC are doing to our once amazing country.
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    "Instead of grappling with these problems, Mr Zuma spends his time fending off a swirl of scandal and intrigue. Before he became president, he faced a battery of criminal charges amounting to no less than 783 counts of alleged corruption, fraud and racketeering."

    Lollies. That's a lot of charges, yo.

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    ANC must go. Not sure SA will survive another 10 years of ANC's ineffectiveness.

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    I must say that recently a lot more people than normal are looking into emigration, myself included. Odd that there hasn't been a major political event like someone getting assassinated that's causing a run for the borders, but it's as if everyone has just come to the realization that things are really starting to slide, and fast. I've even heard two separate stories about Zimbabweans who live here saying that what they are seeing in SA now is exactly what they saw in Zim when everything went bad there, the only difference being that it's happening faster here, which is a really scary thought.

    I've always thought I'd be one of the people who would stick it out, but I see no future here for my child when he grows up unless something drastic changes, and there's no sign of change anywhere. If anything, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

    I've already contacted immigration agents about getting a visa for Aus, and it looks like I can qualify for a 189 Skilled Independent Visa, which comes with permanent residence from the get-go, which is awesome. I've told the family and my boss that we plan to leave within the next 2 years or so. As it turns out, my brother told my parents a few days before that he's looking at moving his family to Canada, and both my wife's brothers had also told her parents recently that they are also looking to get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt View Post
    I must say that recently a lot more people than normal are looking into emigration, myself included. Odd that there hasn't been a major political event like someone getting assassinated that's causing a run for the borders, but it's as if everyone has just come to the realization that things are really starting to slide, and fast. I've even heard two separate stories about Zimbabweans who live here saying that what they are seeing in SA now is exactly what they saw in Zim when everything went bad there, the only difference being that it's happening faster here, which is a really scary thought.

    I've always thought I'd be one of the people who would stick it out, but I see no future here for my child when he grows up unless something drastic changes, and there's no sign of change anywhere. If anything, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

    I've already contacted immigration agents about getting a visa for Aus, and it looks like I can qualify for a 189 Skilled Independent Visa, which comes with permanent residence from the get-go, which is awesome. I've told the family and my boss that we plan to leave within the next 2 years or so. As it turns out, my brother told my parents a few days before that he's looking at moving his family to Canada, and both my wife's brothers had also told her parents recently that they are also looking to get out.
    Wow! Amazing it seems the writing is on the wall for everyone because I have also started seriously researching immigration. I feel I have been as positive as I can be but things are just too apparent now. Also looked at Australia and New Zealand and just signed up to go to an immigration seminar in CT 3rd August because I have no clue where to start besides having a valid Passport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradbear117 View Post
    Wow! Amazing it seems the writing is on the wall for everyone because I have also started seriously researching immigration. I feel I have been as positive as I can be but things are just too apparent now. Also looked at Australia and New Zealand and just signed up to go to an immigration seminar in CT 3rd August because I have no clue where to start besides having a valid Passport.
    Well aside from a passport, you need a visa that gives you the right to work and live there, and getting that takes a lot of effort, and money as it turns out. For Aus, a good place to start is to check if your profession is on their skilled occupation list https://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/s...lists/sol.aspx , if it is, you can maybe get in on the general skilled migration program. That's what I'm trying.

    You'll also need unabridged birth certificates (and marriage certificate if you're married) for the family, a police clearance certificate, a good CV with references, and documentation for whatever certifications or higher education you have, and you'll have to do an IELTS test to prove that you can speak English proficiently.

    If you go through an agent, they will help you through all that and do all the dealing with immigration for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt View Post
    Well aside from a passport, you need a visa that gives you the right to work and live there, and getting that takes a lot of effort, and money as it turns out. For Aus, a good place to start is to check if your profession is on their skilled occupation list https://www.immi.gov.au/Work/Pages/s...lists/sol.aspx , if it is, you can maybe get in on the general skilled migration program. That's what I'm trying.

    You'll also need unabridged birth certificates (and marriage certificate if you're married) for the family, a police clearance certificate, a good CV with references, and documentation for whatever certifications or higher education you have, and you'll have to do an IELTS test to prove that you can speak English proficiently.

    If you go through an agent, they will help you through all that and do all the dealing with immigration for you.
    Thanks for that info Matt! Looks like I'll have to hitch a ride on my wifes qualifications as she is a chef and its on the list. awesome.

    Looking at the recent political forecast we are looking at another 10 years of ANC rule at least. I for one, am not keen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradbear117 View Post
    Thanks for that info Matt! Looks like I'll have to hitch a ride on my wifes qualifications as she is a chef and its on the list. awesome.

    Looking at the recent political forecast we are looking at another 10 years of ANC rule at least. I for one, am not keen.
    Sure thing dude. And if you can get in with the Skilled Independent Visa (189), which is what that list is all about, it comes with immediate permanent residence, which means you can live and work without restriction anywhere in Aus, and you don't even have to work in the profession that you applied for the visa with. You also get the benefits that full citizens would get, like access to the health care and education systems, which are state funded, and you can apply for citizenship after 4 years or so. Definitely the best visa to get in my opinion.

    The agent I talked to says the whole process takes around 9 months, then there's a few months waiting for everything to get finalized, so getting the visa takes around a year. Then you have 5 years to actually make the move.

    Try do the free assessment on http://www.migrate2oz.co.za/, if you score enough points on that, then they will call you to do a quote.
    I talked to Reuven Abeshouse there, and I keep seeing his name coming up on migration forums and stuff, usually people saying they are using or did use him and his team to handle their visa application, and that they are awesome.

    Tip: if you're using an agent, make sure they are MARA registered.

    Bear in mind that you will need a lot of money. Sounds like it varies per profession though. The agents are charging R35 000 odd staggered throughout the entire process, but the main expense is visa application fees of around R65 000 (for the family of 3) that you pay straight to the Australian government, then you have to pay for skills assessment with the relevant authority in Aus (which he tells me means that they will double check all my qualifications that I claim to have and transcripts from uni, and they will call my references, particularly my current employer). Then it's around R2400 to sit the IELTS test, and then of course all the little fees involved in getting all the birth certificates, police clearance certificates, passports, etc. So you'll need over R100K just to get the visa, never mind the cost of actually moving there.

    So I'm going to have to sell the house just to get a visa, but I should make enough money to get us there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradbear117 View Post
    Wow! Amazing it seems the writing is on the wall for everyone because I have also started seriously researching immigration. I feel I have been as positive as I can be but things are just too apparent now. Also looked at Australia and New Zealand and just signed up to go to an immigration seminar in CT 3rd August because I have no clue where to start besides having a valid Passport.
    Where can I find out about this seminar? I'd like to take a look as well - given that I'm a qualified HS teacher, and it seems they're looking for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowfox View Post
    Where can I find out about this seminar? I'd like to take a look as well - given that I'm a qualified HS teacher, and it seems they're looking for some.
    To be honest, I have friends who went to one of those, and they say it's more of a sales pitch to get people to sign up with the agency than anything particularly informative about living in Australia or the emigration process. But it might vary depending on who's giving the seminar.

    But, I think if you're keen, chat to an agent directly, or do an assessment here http://www.migrate2oz.co.za/free-assessment.

    If you want to attend a seminar, these guys do them http://www.immagine-immigration.com/seminars/, and I think that Migrate2Oz does as well.

    Migrate2Oz have offices in SA and in Sydney, which is handy, immagine-immigration are Aus based and they seem to do tours around the world to do seminars and sign up clients, so you have to wait till they are in town.

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