They have, for more than a decade.Originally Posted by Graal
Besides, games doesn't drive OS sale, development and adoption. Hells, home use doesn't even drive it, that's why Windows 10 was given as a free upgrade to so many users. Industrial use, machines, OS licenses where you'd never expect to find them, and the support fees for those licences are where the money is being made, and what drives development.
Exactly that. Remember that the Windows 10 upgrade was only free to Retail and OEM/Non-business licences. Companies with Enterprise Agreement/Software Assurance licences still has to "buy" Windows 10 licences or have them form part of their entitled products. These cost mega bucks for some companies. Also, embedded operating systems (Windows 10 IoT Core / Windows Embedded Compact / Windows Embedded CE / Windows CE / Windows Embedded 8 / Windows XP Embedded / Windows NT 4.0 Embedded / Windows Embedded Industry / Windows Embedded NAVReady / Windows Embedded Handheld) all have different costs associated with it. Ever use an ATM in SA? You've probably used Windows XP Embedded then.
Very important to note is that these special versions of Windows IS NOT THE SAME AS THE OS THAT SHARES THE SAME NAME.
Also, with things like an EA/SA comes professional services. Which is where the real money gets made.
Did Shuttleworth support Ubuntu specifically for the purpose of furthering videogaming on the OS? Because that's what we're talking about here.
Unless I missed something, I'm honestly not sure what relevance this has to the discussion? I was talking about the rise of Linux as a gaming OS, not what factors drive OS sales.Besides, games doesn't drive OS sale, development and adoption. Hells, home use doesn't even drive it, that's why Windows 10 was given as a free upgrade to so many users. Industrial use, machines, OS licenses where you'd never expect to find them, and the support fees for those licences are where the money is being made, and what drives development.
This is what we were talking about, I'll walk you through it:
You were lamenting that Win10 is not what you want, and that really you want Linux to change to suit your needs.
E-Soup said that loads of people had lamented this very lament for decades, and that it's not gonna happen. (I add soon to his last sentence in my head, because ol' Soup might speak in absolutes, but he's no sith.)
You presented the change in the number of available games on Linux as evidence of the Linux changing to suit your needs. Please note that this was the first point in this conversation that games had been mentioned.
I refuted the evidence on the grounds that no OS developer cares about gaming, and that Linux thus isn't changing to suit your needs as much as you hoped, the point you made in post #1142449.
And this is a tiny caveat, but Shuttleworth != Canonical.
I think what you're missing here is that people do not game on Linux because before now it was not viable. Developers did not create games with Linux support and playing most games required messing around in WINE with very unpredictable results. This is fast changing as more and more devs port their games to Linux. Right now they are busy working on a gaming API called Vulkan, specifically to replace OpenGL on Linux. There is even a Linux distro specifically intended for playing games. Clearly the gaming scene on Linux is advancing in leaps and bounds.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by saying that no OS developer cares about gaming and therefore gaming on Linux is not becoming more viable (???)- this after being presented with evidence of how gaming on Linux has become more viable.
Why you felt the need to go off on a tangent about OS creators and the driving factors behind OS sales is something only you'll know. My posts here have been about the viability of Linux for gaming right from the start. I already have Ubuntu on my desktop and it is used for most of my day-to-day tasks. I need to keep Windows as a dual-boot OS for my gaming needs, which I'm hoping I won't need to do for very much longer.
So in conclusion:
I'll try to be succinct:
* I believe the point that you're missing here is that you're the only one talking about gaming specifically. The rest of us were talking about Win10 in general, and even your first post fails to show that you define viability as the ability to play modern games on the OS.
* Pointing out the fact that Vulkan is in development is a non-starter, IMHO, as it's still in development.
* A thousand odd games running on Linux is a drop in the ocean, especially if you look at the engines driving those games.
* Gaming-centric distro's are not new. See SuperGamer, released in 2006.
* Again, the tying in of OS development and gaming lies in the fact that the entire thread is about a new OS and its development.
Do realise, the reason we're saying all this is that we've danced this dance before.
EDIT: And now, I'll stop feeding. I try to only ever reiterate once.
Lol, omfg.
Sometimes I wonder.
No we not! Don't bring the rest of us into this argument. We were talking about the restrictions windows 10 in the EULA stating they can block certain software and hardware. I think you guys should start new thread, this thread has been thoroughly derailed.
Turns out that MS will bring down the ban hammer on titles currently available in the Windows 10 store that have been acquired through "unauthorized channels"
That kinds of sucks, but won't affect me, haven't had "Unauthorised" software on my PC for years.
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