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    All this talk about "lack of transformation" and allegations of "racial discrimination" has got me thinking. Why do we have policies in place to effectively protect the majority of citizens by keeping a minority race (yes I'm bringing race into this) at bay? I thought the idea was to develop our country into a country where you cannot be discriminated against based on the color of your skin, your gender, religion or sexual preferences.

    It makes me sad to see politicians moaning about the "lack of transformation" in sports (specifically Rugby and Cricket) when nothing is being done to really address the issue. In my opinion if you want to see a more diverse range of players at senior levels you need to invest in the youth. You need to bring the sport to the people you want to see in the sport. How many rugby/cricket academies have been set up in rural areas or informal settlements? What about setting up youth development programs? Introducing kids to the sport at school level? What about recruiting high-school students into club structures? Setting up new clubs in areas with poor representation?

    Yes, you will not see results overnight, but in 10-20 years you could potentially have a gigantic pool of talented players who have been groomed from a young age that are eligible for selection based on MERIT.

    Why do we as South Africans have to accept mediocrity? The matric pass rate for one was dismal, so they lowered the standard. Now the pass rate is better, but our senior certificate is actually worth less. However very little is being done to address the issues. The quality of some teachers can be described as poor (and I'm trying to be positive here) with some of the teachers not understanding the classes they are giving. Some teachers have issues with language. So many times you have a teacher that can barely speak English that presents a class in English. While I'm all for receiving basic education in your native tongue, its very difficult for say an Afrikaans speaking teacher with limited knowledge of English to present a subject they are not familiar with in English to a class full of students who also have difficulty with English (because they're also not bought up in a house where English even features as a daily language). Ever tried explaining a technical course's material in Afrikaans? What about Zulu? Xhosa? It becomes very difficult. Why don't we have secondary schools that focus on the other 9 official languages? What about higher education facilities to cater for these?

    I'm quite disappointed at the attack on Stellenbosch University for perceived "lack of transformation". Maties have for a very long time been an "Afrikaans" varsity, which started presenting some subjects and courses in English. This is due to a number of factors, and it makes sense to present STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) subjects in English as this is the language in which most of these fields operate and share information.

    Now to get back to AA, it's been 21 years, yet we as South Africans still deem it necessary to boost "born frees" by subjecting them to policies that have been touted as policies to address the inequalities of pre-94 South Africa. Don't get me wrong, if a number of people apply for a job (all have 90% pass rate for the same degree and no experience) and one is a white male, one white female, black male, black female, indian male, indian female, etc. I'm quite happy for the default selection to be black female, followed by black male. However the key here is that as an employer I want the person who is the best qualified for the position, irrespective of race,gender, religion or sexual preference. I want us to become truly free from discrimination, I want us as a country to start breeding a culture of excellence. To stop feeling sorry for ourselves and look at how we can really benefit not only ourselves, but society as a whole. We need to be hungry, hungry to achieve more. We should stop accepting mediocrity and start embracing that which is exceptional. However, we should also strive to help those less fortunate than us, help those who need a little help.

    By help I don't mean shoving a wad of cash into the hands of a beggar or NGO. I mean truly help people. We should breed a culture of enlightenment. A culture where we are hungry for knowledge. Get less fortunate people fed, get them trained and get them to become a meaningful part of society that contributes to our economy.

    Ok, I'm done ranting for now.

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    I agree completely PsychoFish.

    Ugh I just started writing a long paragraph but I don't have the time right now. I'm just so sick and tired of all the crap that's going on in our country.

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    I must say, if we were able to start housing, free education in poorer communities, raise the standard of education and rid schools of racism causing influences(eg race quotas in schools). Its not hard to teach a person life skills, but it is hard to rid them of thoughts that have been pumped into their heads by older generations. As someone who never went through that time ive never had an understanding of racial discrimination, i see idiots and intellectuals and the averages i wish everyone could see like this. Sports programs should also be introduced into all schools, for example, baseball. Not many people know but our team is currently in japan with almost no support apart from families, but i must say ive seen a child living at one of the clubs become a prominent player (he has no family in the country), and his brother is currently living overseas playing for the Pittsburgh pirates, which is quite an achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donisia View Post
    I must say, if we were able to start housing, free education in poorer communities, raise the standard of education and rid schools of racism causing influences(eg race quotas in schools). Its not hard to teach a person life skills, but it is hard to rid them of thoughts that have been pumped into their heads by older generations. As someone who never went through that time ive never had an understanding of racial discrimination, i see idiots and intellectuals and the averages i wish everyone could see like this. Sports programs should also be introduced into all schools, for example, baseball. Not many people know but our team is currently in japan with almost no support apart from families, but i must say ive seen a child living at one of the clubs become a prominent player (he has no family in the country), and his brother is currently living overseas playing for the Pittsburgh pirates, which is quite an achievement.
    The biggest problem with "free" housing is that it breeds a culture of entitlement. It should just be called government subsidized housing, i.e you never own the house and you are awarded the house based on your need. So essentially a government sponsored rental. Free education is a must, but you cannot force a non-government school to give education to someone for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoFish View Post
    The biggest problem with "free" housing is that it breeds a culture of entitlement. It should just be called government subsidized housing, i.e you never own the house and you are awarded the house based on your need. So essentially a government sponsored rental. Free education is a must, but you cannot force a non-government school to give education to someone for free.
    By free housing i meant like they have in other places in the world, houses that you use until you are able to get on your feet, from there you move onto your own housing, only given to those who are willing to work for a better life

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    Unfortunately our biggest problems are the fact that the "leaders" of our country does not encourage education, not just standard education, but education of adults. A lot of the issues we are seeing is because a lot of cultures in this country doesnt change their mindsets. They still have a lot of the tribal ideas and standards. And the fact that most of our locals want everything for free, and they just cannot understand that you have to work your arse off to make money to pay for the everything. The mentality of have as many kids as possible because the government pays us to have kids is what is breaking us. The zenophobia in this country is mainly because of the people who come from all over who actually work for what they want and that is setting a bad example according to some communities.

    Unfortunately the fact of the matter is we build them schools, whilst the building is happening, they steel all the building materials. Then once the school is complete, what do they do - they break down the school and disappear with everything. Then they cannot get teachers to stay in the areas because they fear for their lives. How do we change a mindset that is so ingrained that it has been 20 years and it is still not changing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donisia View Post
    By free housing i meant like they have in other places in the world, houses that you use until you are able to get on your feet, from there you move onto your own housing, only given to those who are willing to work for a better life
    It doesnt work - Kids in the UK are getting pregnant at age 14 to get free housing and then go on the dole. This is a fact, I saw this happening whilst I was there.

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    The other problem is that our government is hell bent on subsidizing every single child that is born. People end up having children just to get the grant money. "Hey, free money for each child" is a really shitty way of doing things. I'd say have a 2 child rule, pay for up to two children to be subsidized and offer to pay for sterilization after the second "subsidized" child is born. It's not a matter of capping the population growth, but rather to prevent people having more children than they can reasonably afford. If you're rich and can afford to have/support 20 kids, by all means go for it. However if you're unemployed and rely on grants and welfare the government should reasonably be able to cap/limit the number of children you're allowed to have to ensure that we don't have thousands of children with little / no hope of becoming productive members of society that can contribute to the economy.

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    Actually wanted to post this in the all things sport thread but then i saw this i might be a little late to the party but how absurd is this article and the unknown party trying this BS........

    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/det...from-world-cup

    Hoekom kom krap waar dit ni jeuk nie ffs

    But i'm glad this happened...........
    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/det...ns-to-progress

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    To me it seems like the powers that be have no long range plan (hence stumbling from one crisis into the next). At least nothing beyond the next election/cadre appointment.

    That's one of the reasons I think AA is here to stay. The underlying problem isn't going to go away without good long range planning (nonexistent as per above) and it would be political suicide to propose scrapping AA /BEE.

    As for the sports angle - don't really care all that much. It's inconsequential compared to the bigger picture. Might serve as a backdrop for a discussion I think...a bad one at that since its full of emotions.
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