My thoughts on Affirmative Action/quotas and other nasties

[Weasley]

The other problem is that our government is hell bent on subsidizing every single child that is born. People end up having children just to get the grant money. "Hey, free money for each child" is a really shitty way of doing things. I'd say have a 2 child rule, pay for up to two children to be subsidized and offer to pay for sterilization after the second "subsidized" child is born. It's not a matter of capping the population growth, but rather to prevent people having more children than they can reasonably afford. If you're rich and can afford to have/support 20 kids, by all means go for it. However if you're unemployed and rely on grants and welfare the government should reasonably be able to cap/limit the number of children you're allowed to have to ensure that we don't have thousands of children with little / no hope of becoming productive members of society that can contribute to the economy.

i would rather say kids should give you tax discount. that way the working class are encouraged to get kids and not the sit at home with no money.

[PsychoFish]

To me it seems like the powers that be have no long range plan (hence stumbling from one crisis into the next). At least nothing beyond the next election/cadre appointment.

That's one of the reasons I think AA is here to stay. The underlying problem isn't going to go away without good long range planning (nonexistent as per above) and it would be political suicide to propose scrapping AA /BEE.

As for the sports angle - don't really care all that much. It's inconsequential compared to the bigger picture. Might serve as a backdrop for a discussion I think...a bad one at that since its full of emotions.

A more workable solution to AA would be to stop it from being applied to "Born Free" South Africans, as these individuals have been born under a free and open democratically elected government without being directly affected by apartheid policies and legislation. The disadvantage some of these individuals suffer is predominantly due to either (1) failure of the democratically elected government to enable these individuals to reach their full potential (2) The failure of the individual to want to get an education due to social pressure (3) Poor decision making by the supposed parents/guardians of said child

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i would rather say kids should give you tax discount. that way the working class are encouraged to get kids and not the sit at home with no money.

Less taxation will have a negative impact on the ability of the government to distribute the income tax revenue to the people and infrastructure that really need it.

[Weasley]

A more workable solution to AA would be to stop it from being applied to "Born Free" South Africans, as these individuals have been born under a free and open democratically elected government without being directly affected by apartheid policies and legislation. The disadvantage some of these individuals suffer is predominantly due to either (1) failure of the democratically elected government to enable these individuals to reach their full potential (2) The failure of the individual to want to get an education due to social pressure (3) Poor decision making by the supposed parents/guardians of said child

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Less taxation will have a negative impact on the ability of the government to distribute the income tax revenue to the people and infrastructure that really need it.

sadly if you ask me that is what grants do. Yes there is grants that make sens and can stay like the elderly. but giving grants to people who do not work when they have kids is just stupid.

[HavocXphere]

"Born Free" South Africans, as these individuals have been born under a free and open democratically elected government without being directly affected by apartheid policies and legislation.

That's the problem. They are still affected. Kids will be born in 10 years time & they'll still be affected because AA is a bandaid solution that ignores the problem. They need to reduce inequality & that you're not going to achieve with social grants etc

Remember that article the other day about the low number of kids taking maths (nevermind excelling at it)? That's the kind of thing a government with any kind of foresight would focus on - because it's going to wreck an entire generation & increase inequality even further. As you say the individuals in question need to be willing, but first the basic prerequisites need to be there. Stuff like gov realising that textbook delivery (dept education) etc is mission critical and SA simple can't afford to tolerate tenderpreneurs and incompetence there. For reasons I don't quite understand subpar performance is deemed acceptable here too.

SA scored big by opening up the SA markets after Apartheid. That effect is fading fast though & soon SA will need to compete on even footing with the Chinese, Germans & Americans. Math lit & textbooks 6+ months late won't cut it...not even close.

Anyway...rant over. Study hard guys...then at least the mygaming crew will come out on top.

[FarligOpptreden]

This is quite a CA-like thread for MyG. I hope it stays civil...