The supposed "decline of PC gaming"

[Necuno]

Vixe is playing desperate house wives... very hardcore for pc gamer

[Vixe]

larch
And you being a PC gamer is hardcore? What makes you playing Bioshock 2 on a PC more hardcore that a guy playing it on the Xbox 360 or PS3?

And this is why I said that some parasite will misconstrue what I say.

And now, to prevent some parasite from misconstruing what I just said, let me elaborate:
This is my opinion. I in no way imply that you do not get hardcore console gamers, or that you do not get casual PC gamers.

Did you even read that? And as a matter of fact, I do not play Bioshock 2. Nor MW2, CoD4, Mass Effect 2 or whichever mainstream piece of crap you can think of (I know I will get flamed for saying that, but please don't. Not the point of this thread..). I do not classify myself as a hardcore PC gamer. I play multiplayer FPS, some RPG, some RTS, some indy.

The wheels on the bus go round and round er I mean profits make the wheel go round and round. So if a platform does not make a profit it can be more successful than one that does because profit does not indicated that something is doing well am I right?

Profits do not reflect whether it is good or not. I would use the MW2 example, but I'd get flamed for that. Profits do not reflect anything other than how mainstream something is. How good something is, is an opinion. There is no universal definition for good, other than the opposite of bad, which is an equally misleading definition. Which is why I ended my post like this:

"If you believe it is dying, then good for you." In a sense, it's your opinion.

[larch]

So not playing "mainstream crap" makes you more hardcore then? I am confused to how the word hardcore applies to a gamer can you enlighten me?

Are you sure you want to use MW2?

MW Average review score: 94% on 360 and PS3 and 86% on PC: http://www.metacritic.com/games/plat...dern%20warfare

Terrible Terrible game...

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 has become the fourth best-selling game of all time

http://modernwarfare2.net/

The profits makes the wheel on the gamer bus go round and round..

[Vixe]

Oh please, are you even reading my posts? I explicitly said that I do not classify myself as a hardcore gamer, and after I said that profits do not reflect how good a game is, you are happy to oblige with quotes on how many sales it has ...

The review scores are opinions, which was my original point. I'll be happy to give you review score of non-mainstream games AND with a shiny blue link. But that doesn't mean anything! That is exactly my point!

You are either ignorant or just daft to misunderstand everything that I am saying.

[Stefan9]

Define dead.

To me it means getting hand-me-downs months later.

To me it means walking into Musica and seeing 7 racks dedicated to consoles and packed to the brim with exciting new releases, and 1 measly rack set up carrying a few motheaten copies of Sims 3 and WoW.

To me it's watching ads for Gears of War on TV. No ads for Crysis though.

Naw. Nearly all the once mighty PC developers and publishers like Bioware, EA, Activision etc are 100% prioritising console gaming. No doubt at all. PC gamers are lucky to get a multiplatform title on the same day the console gamers do. Most often it happens months later. In many cases, they're lucky to get it at all.

Smells like a dead man walking.

I have to disagree with the comment on Bioware. If your comments were accurate they would not have released a pc centric game like dragon age in the last year, yes I there was a very good console version as well but its well know that the better version was the pc one. They would not have released mass effect for the pc and would have instead concentrated on a ps3 version.

Nothing in BW's actions or the feedback you hear from the developers and others at the company suggest any anti pc attitude. In fact everything from them seems to suggest on going more multi platform with pc and xbox 360 releases together.

PC gaming might be niche now but hardly constitutes it being dead.

[larch]

Right here you were implying that PC gamers are hardcore:

As I see it, consoles are for casual gamers, which is why the sales are so high for it. PC games are a niche market and why it is struggling.

So I asked for an explanation as to what makes a gamer "hardcore"

The review scores are opinions, which was my original point. I'll be happy to give you review score of non-mainstream games AND with a shiny blue link. But that doesn't mean anything! That is exactly my point!

So now global review scores taken from every major reviewing website in the world doesn't mean anything? So to summarize you dont need to be popular and mainstream. Or make a profit and get good review scores to be able to say your game was a success?

[Azimuth]

It's no longer Hollywood, it's Cannes.

I disagree with just about everything you say, Skurm, but mygod, that was good. I couldn't possibly have put it better.

[Vixe]

It is clear that you are struggling with this, so here's a simple explanation.

Read this again:

Vixe
As I see it, consoles are for casual gamers, which is why the sales are so high for it. PC games are a niche market and why it is struggling.

And now, to prevent some parasite from misconstruing what I just said, let me elaborate:

This is my opinion. I in no way imply that you do not get hardcore console gamers, or that you do not get casual PC gamers.

If you still don't see it, read it again.
Now read what you wrote:

Right here you were implying that PC gamers are hardcore:

Vixe
As I see it, consoles are for casual gamers, which is why the sales are so high for it. PC games are a niche market and why it is struggling.

If you don't see it, my initial observation was true: you are more daft than ignorant.

So now global review scores taken from every major reviewing website in the world doesn't mean anything? So to summarize you dont need to be popular and mainstream. Or make a profit and get good review scores to be able to say your game was a success?

They are still opinions nonetheless. If 1 billion people thinks that it is the greatest game ever, then good for them. That is still their opinion! You're good at rhetorical questions, so let me try: If half the earth believed something, does that make it a universal truth?

[larch]

Still does not explain to me how you come to the conclusion that console gamers are causal and PC gamers are Hardcore.

You're good at rhetorical questions, so let me try: If half the earth believed something, does that make it a universal truth

Christianity anyone? lol

[Azimuth]

But Vixe, the same games dominate console sales as pc sales - Bioshock 2, for example, is huuuuuuuuuge on console at the moment. I'm not sure your casual gamer theory works out quite as neatly as you might think.