Piracy is not a crime - ITWeb

[Raven Gold]

I'm sorry, I can't see how anyone can justify having access to someone else's hard work without paying for the access by some or other means.

One can barely call it "hard" work in most recent cases. I say it just copy/paste atleast half the time.

[Azimuth]

And once again, Raven Gold does nothing so much as demonstrate his outrageous self-entitlement, greed, and ignorance. Golf clap.

[Voicy]

Azi, you'll be proud of me...

I visited a mate's house and his housemate had a huge xbox360 collection. Upon closer inspection I noticed they were 80% copied games. So I felt a bit miffed at the oke.

Mine might not be so big (Shoosh Lush, not a word! ) but I'm still proud of it.

[Breezy]

I'm sure back then R5000 was a riddiculous amount.

Peace "B"

[tpex]

Wow... as if we don't have more important problems like I don't know... um... rape, murder and hijacking?
Maybe if Publishers opend up more to SA then we would not have so much of a problem

[shadowfox]

well it's all fine and dandy to make piracy a criminal offence. But consider the negative effects of that not only the pirates, who can be ignored with this arguement, but the legitimate customers. Anybody hear about the story of the major bread companies who banded to gether to shoot up all there prices? Well if the game/software companies can get that sort of controll it's going to cause some major issues. You don't want to give companies more controll, you need to limit it as much as possible. And thats where piracy comes in to help them realise that there at the customers mercy (or atleast should be).

Piracy is a and copyright infringement is a civil matter between the offender and the copyright holder, and should be the sole responsibility of the holder to persecute. The law's sole purpose is to make sure that whatever happens, is the right thing, not to support the greed of a corpiration.

I tried reading that argument in Japanese to see if it made more sense - it didn't. Spell-check FTW Raven.

First of all - how would making piracy a crime affect the legit customers? If I bought the shiny box, before or after the law changes - how does it affect me. It doesn't. However, making it a crime actually makes it easier to prosecute. Instead of the companies now having to go after individuals one at a time, wasting precious time and resource, they can now leave it to the authorities. The state gets to prosecute, and the companies don't have to bear the costs. Nice.

Your argument about the bread cartel - I'm not entirely sure how that fits in. Do people pirate bread? Am I guilty if I bake one of my own? (Not that you'd want to eat anything I bake, but I digress). What control?

Actually, can someone come and clarify that first paragraph for me, because it makes about as much sense as a chocolate toaster.

The law's sole purpose is to make sure that whatever happens, is the right thing, not to support the greed of a corpiration .

Actually, no. Law's sole purpose is to prevent injustice. Injustice in this case being the fact that some people feel they can just take what they believe they have a right to without paying for it. If I may use an analogy of my own - does Zimbabwe ring any bells? They took the farms, because, from their point of view it belonged to them. Pretty much the same thing you do to games. You know, they're wrong ... you're right. People like you are the reason we're sitting with draconian anti-piracy measures.

This is a very clear picture of right and wrong. Whether it's the job of the copyright holder, or the job of the government to come after your ass is not the question. The greed of corporations don't figure into it. The law has no say in the matter of greed, since greed isn't illegal. The day it becomes illegal - awesome.

I don't see the need to pirate to get my point across. I vote with my wallet - to clarify - I walked into a shop one day and saw two games next to each other. Both new, and at relatively the same cost. And what decided me? Well ... Ubisofts always-on connection requirement doesn't sit well with me - so they lost out on a sale. The other game is sitting on my shelf.

If I pirate it, in a manner of speaking I am still saying to them - great game. Nothing wrong with it. I just have a criminal mind-set so I will steal it.

And I add weight to their argument for stricter controls.

Frankly - I hope the laws do get changed. Deal with it Raven. You support a form of theft. You are taking other people's hard work for yourself without paying for it. Whether you believe you are a modern Robin Hood of sorts has nothing to do with it. Don't split hairs - if the law gets changed, I hope you're one of the first they come after.

[Azimuth]

Azi, you'll be proud of me...

I visited a mate's house and his housemate had a huge xbox360 collection. Upon closer inspection I noticed they were 80% copied games. So I felt a bit miffed at the oke.

Mine might not be so big (Shoosh Lush, not a word! ) but I'm still proud of it.

You're so adorable.

Actually, can someone come and clarify that first paragraph for me, because it makes about as much sense as a chocolate toaster.

I loled.

[Strategist01]

Well, the reason we PC fanbois pirate is that we can have money to pimp the PCs, to play the games themselves

[Lupus]

Well, the reason we PC fanbois pirate is that we can have money to pimp the PCs, to play the games themselves

What excuse is that? If you cannot afford the hobby then don't do it. Or how about pimping your PC so you can play the game that you legally bought? Instead of using this as the crappiest excuse I've ever heard. Next excuse would be "I am sorry officer, I only stole the petrol cause I got this pimping ride to pay for?"

[Raven Gold]

You do realise he was being sarcastic, Lupus?