Are games art? Do you care?

[Maplassie]

I'm going to go ahead and stop reading this thread. I'm finding myself googling more words than I have ever done in my life :|

[jasong]

And you continue to contradict yourself. During the course of this discussion, you've suggested that:

1. Only some games could be considered art.

I didn't suggest that. I said that every game is art to some degree because the definition of art per se is very encompassing - that in itself isn't interesting or remarkable; but very few games achieved a level of greatness in artistry.

2. It matters that we are able to consider games as art.

It matters that we're able to discuss them as an art form yes, more than just as a form of entertainment.

3. It doesn't matter if we can consider games as art.

In the sense that I don't particularly care about recognition by some elite establishment, yes. In any other sense, no, not at all. And that was mainly in response to your accusation that the reason I maintain that games should be considered art is because I'm too intellectually insecure to just enjoy them as games, which is nonsense.

4. We can't critically evaluate games without first presuming they're a form of art, disingenuously avoiding the logical inference that, without first presuming they're a a form of art, we're entirely unable to critically evaluate them.

I'd rather say that by definition, as I understand it, any serious critical discourse about gaming as a form of creative medium is an artistic analysis; and avoiding that fact because you take issue with terminology is actually disingenuous and unnecessary.

It's the last part I find especially absurd. And, as I've pointed out several times in this discussion already, IF WE CAN'T ABSOLUTELY DEFINE WHAT CONSTITUTES ART, HOW CAN WE EVALUATE ANYTHING AS "ART", ANYWAY?

We don't have to define what constitutes art - any dictionary definition will do; and gaming satisfactorily passes those criteria.

I think you lack imagination.

K - perhaps I do?

[DenSweeP]

Google just asked me if I would like to order a dictionary rather than look up another word?

[jasong]

haha it's healthy for you

[Azimuth]

I'd rather say that by definition, as I understand it, any serious critical discourse about gaming as a form of creative medium is an artistic analysis; and avoiding that fact because you take issue with terminology is actually disingenuous and unnecessary.

This is not substantiation; it's an opinion.

I'm over arguing this topic with you. I'm increasingly of the impression that you simply cannot hear anyone else over the sound of how awesome you (think you) are.

[Voicy]

<troll>

Azimuth, your a women. You're argument is invalid!

</troll>

I'm so getting my ass kicked for this hey? :P

[Azimuth]

It's totally true. I'll get back to baking those cookies, Voicy.

PS. "you're". Peasant.

[Voicy]

It's totally true. I'll get back to baking those cookies, Voicy.

PS. "you're". Peasant.

Mmmmmm Cookies! *om nom nom* Yeah get back to the kitchen. /slaps on ass ... or whatever it is jocks do.

PS. I swapped "you're/your" and added womEn instead of womAn.

PPS. Highlight the hidden text.

[Azimuth]

I'm biding my time.

Just biding my time.

[Voicy]

I'm biding my time.

Just biding my time.

I sorry, I sorry

Look, I brings you a puppy...



We're cool, right? .... right?