Blizzard's Rob Pardo has concerns about Windows 8

[James]

Blizzard's Rob Pardo has concerns about Windows 8

Blizzard dev shares Newell’s worry over the new OS

 

[Necuno]

Blizzard's Rob Pardo has concerns about Windows 8

Blizzard dev shares Newell’s worry over the new OS

I would please like to know what they plan to do on windows RT. That is the complaint from what I gather, since only windows RT is going to be metro only which makes sense looking at how the iphone already is working.

The requirements windows RT is an ARM cpu and I don't see gaming being performed on it unless you are playing some lame game from the 80s. So exactly when then are blizzard and gabe bitching about, god knows. It would be awesome, no wait, fucking awesome to see their list of complaints so that one can actually go through them and see why they are saying.

( I really don't get the complaint here, sure if you are a mobile dev I can understand it to a degree, but valve and blizzard? really? )

Currently it looks like
A) bitching to punt valve on linux - gabe had how many years to do something ?
B) blizzard god only knows why they've joined the choir in this. ( Not like wow is opensource )

Now I wait for this awestruck argument to arrive or the plans for blizzard and valve to develop on ARM/Tablet. If there is now plans... why the fuck the moaning.

( Not sure what else to wait for *shrugs* )

Best part is the plebs *just* joining in by linking this article or singing a long the tune without actually looking what they are saying. Ow I forgot... they are just bitching without reason, right?

( Seems that everyone is jumping the wagon )

Windows RT (formerly known as Windows on ARM) will be a version of the Windows 8 operating system for ARM devices such as tablets. It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store or included in Windows RT including Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote as standard. Microsoft will only be selling the operating system to device manufacturers directly, and not as a stand-alone product to consumers.

-wiki

Windows RT vs Windows 8: software and compatibility

There's a big difference here: Windows RT comes with Office preinstalled, and Windows 8/Pro doesn't. However, Windows 8/Pro are compatible with existing Windows programs and Windows RT isn't. Windows RT apps must use the metro interface, although Windows 8 programs can use the traditional Windows desktop too.

Windows RT also restricts what APIs (application programming interfaces) developers can use, especially for web browsers, so for example it seems as if there won't be a version of Firefox for Windows RT: as Mozilla's Harvey Anderson puts it, "only Internet Explorer will be able to perform many of the advanced computing functions vital to modern browsers in terms of speed, stability, and security to which users have grown accustomed."

-techradar

Windows RT vs Windows 8: hardware support

This is the most important difference between Windows RT and Windows 8: Windows RT only runs on ARM-powered devices, while Windows 8 only runs on x86 devices. Windows RT won't run natively on an Intel- or AMD-powered PC, and Windows 8 won't run on an ARM-powered device such as the new Surface tablet.

-techradar

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IMHO the article is quite incorrect to refer to Windows RT as just windows 8. There is quite a difference.

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bitch please prophet

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maybe I just need a hug

 

[McT]

I have no need to upgrade to Windows 8. W7 is still perfect for all my needs.

 

[HavocXphere]

I would please like to know what they plan to do on windows RT. That is the complaint from what I gather,

I'm curious why you say that? The article you linked to doesn't even mention Win RT?

The requirements windows RT is an ARM cpu and I don't see gaming being performed on it unless you are playing some lame game from the 80s.

Well gaming is primarily GPU dependent, not CPU dependent so I'm sure its quite possible given a suitable GPU. Angry birds etc proves that it is in principle possible. The limiting factor is more likely the form factor (tablet). Regardless of ARM/x86, metro/no metro its not going to run Crysis on max any time soon.

I don't know exactly what they are on about either, but it seems to me that its not Steam/Metro/Windows RT related. It has to be something Valve & Blizzard have in common, so its not Steam. Metro is just a fancy start menu, so I doubt that is the problem. Windows RT....maybe if they are both looking far into the future, but in principle neither of them is selling tablet games atm.

I'm inclined to agree with the article...the issue is the Win 8 store. I doubt either Valve or Blizzard is looking forward to having to compete against MS in selling games...especially when MS is the one making the rules as to what is allowed in the store.

IMHO the article is quite incorrect to refer to Windows RT as just windows 8. There is quite a difference.

Can't say I'm following you 100% there, but since Win RT is a specific version of Win 8 it seems quite correct to me to group them. Sort of like Win 7 x86 and Win 7 x64 can both be grouped under "Win 7" despite significant differences.

 

[Necuno]

I'm curious why you say that? The article you linked to doesn't even mention Win RT?

I did link it in that reply, but here it is as it was linked to me over at mybb

Windows 8 Pro will be like what Windows 7 is in many respects. The RT version for the most part is what's getting OEMs pissed off. This is the version that will only run on ARM processor machines. This is the important part regarding RT: All apps will be what are called Metro apps (named after the UI of Windows 8 Start Screen); all apps in RT will have to be bought and downloaded through the Windows Store which is the same business model as the Apple App Store for iOS devices. OEMs are IRATE that Microsoft has decided to build the Microsoft Surface device that runs RT on ARM processors. So MS hardware and MS only app store. Who wants to compete with that? That is the very definition of a closed system albeit OEMs are free to build their own RT machines; Surface I am sure cost hundreds of millions to develop and this is the slim margins Gabe speaks about.

MS has money coming out of the ears. Of course Windows Store will be the only route for app makers on RT, so MS gets a percentage cut. Microsoft thinks (hopes) this is going to be coup, like Apple has done. The Pro version of Windows 8 can run on x86 processors. Apps can be bought and installed from anywhere INCLUDING the Windows Store. Microsoft also has a version of the Microsoft Surface machine built to run Windows 8 Pro. So OEMs will be pissed at this also.

Steam will be pissed at this, even though Steam won't have to go through the Windows Store to be installed on Windows 8 Pro machines, they will still have to contend with the reality that Windows 8 RT ARM machines are all ALL Windows Store ALL the time, Windows 8 Pro x86 machines are leading us to the same model. It is equivalent to Apple's Gatekeeper in their latest version of OS X, Mountain Lion, which enables the user to choose to be able to install apps only from the Mac App Store, or from the Mac App Store and registered trusted developers, or from ANYWHERE. Anywhere is freedom for all, but we can see how Apple can easily lock this down further in the future, forcing App developers like Steam to only be able to give the Steam platform through the Mac App Store, but in-app purchases, which is what Steam gets a cut of, would hypothetically have to contend with Apple getting their 30% of in-app purchases. Microsoft charges a cut, just like Apple, for paid apps that go through the Windows Store.

This is why we need GNU/Linux to thrive NOW. I could be off a little bit in the details and all the intricacies but these as I understand them are the main points. Unfortunately for computing, the masses don't really care about these points, they only care about whether a machine "just works" or not. We have to keep computing from becoming a monopoly, a situation like when Walmart or Starbucks rolls into town and all the Mom and Pops are forced to shut down. The masses don't care, it works for them, but those who have built their lives and fortunes care tremendously. Apple has a problem with "planned obsolescence" in their products and also the lock down of the App Stores, it is unsavory.

MS looks at Apple's profits and wants to emulate them.

-venturebeat

Well gaming is primarily GPU dependent, not CPU dependent so I'm sure its quite possible given a suitable GPU. Angry birds etc proves that it is in principle possible. The limiting factor is more likely the form factor (tablet). Regardless of ARM/x86, metro/no metro its not going to run Crysis on max any time soon.

I don't know exactly what they are on about either, but it seems to me that its not Steam/Metro/Windows RT related. It has to be something Valve & Blizzard have in common, so its not Steam. Metro is just a fancy start menu, so I doubt that is the problem. Windows RT....maybe if they are both looking far into the future, but in principle neither of them is selling tablet games atm.

I'm inclined to agree with the article...the issue is the Win 8 store. I doubt either Valve or Blizzard is looking forward to having to compete against MS in selling games...especially when MS is the one making the rules as to what is allowed in the store.

Probably, but again it is only RT that has this "limit".

Still seems to me that they've gotten lazy over the years in their dollor bills not caring about the "gate keeper" (which only really exists in RT) and now they because they didn't lift a finger to bring change, they are crying about it. Where were they all these years? Where are all their open source IP ?

Can't say I'm following you 100% there, but since Win RT is a specific version of Win 8 it seems quite correct to me to group them. Sort of like Win 7 x86 and Win 7 x64 can both be grouped under "Win 7" despite significant differences.

Still stupid imho to call an pear an apple all though both a fruit, why do I say so?

Win RT - Only metro apps, Only ARM.
Win 8 / 8 Pro - x86/x64, not limited to metro apps or ARM.

Then clearly saying win 8 is limited by metro apps is wrong. Unless you have read fail or something ?

 

[czc]

But does it have the awesome feature Error 37?