LulzSec ""We're all still here! Which poor bastard did they take down?""

Maybe we should start consolidating this entire hacking war into one thread - it's getting a major hassle to follow all of them.

Regarding LulzSec and their "open letter" - ummm ... the FBI has been well-known for co-opting criminal elements into their investigations as a way of exposing bigger organisations in return for lighter sentences - I doubt he'll see any jail-time if he manages to bring any of Lulz's members to light.
 
Seeing as these guys are clearly engaged in illegal activity and bragging about it via Twitter, can the authorities in conjunction with Twitter not trace these idiots?
 
DenSweeP said:
Seeing as these guys are clearly engaged in illegal activity and bragging about it via Twitter, can the authorities in conjunction with Twitter not trace these idiots?
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I am not sure what the policy on stuff like this is.
Here is an extract from a Techland article:

Twitter's policy states that they'll notify a user before responding to a subpoena unless a gag order prohibiting notification is in place, which was the case with WikiLeaks in January. And they did it anyway.
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The site's privacy policy states that the company will disclose user information if they believe that "it is reasonably necessary to comply with a law, regulation or legal request; to protect the safety of any person; to address fraud, security or technical issues; or to protect Twitter's rights or property."
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So its not impossible that Twitter can release information regarding these guys. Basically, if these hacked companies go to court and manage to get a subpoena. Or, if they are able to convince Twitter that these guys are in breach of laws, they can also get the info.
 
But, it's just as easy to hide on Twitter. If these guys can get away with their site being unable to be traced to a single source, surely they can hide from where they're tweeting just as easily on Twitter?
 
Graal said:
But, it's just as easy to hide on Twitter. If these guys can get away with their site being unable to be traced to a single source, surely they can hide from where they're tweeting just as easily on Twitter?
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Twitter can provide them with server logs - which probably also track the IPs that the account is accessed from - although I'm sure they'll be operating through proxies - so that may lead to a dead end.
 
shadowfox said:
Twitter can provide them with server logs - which probably also track the IPs that the account is accessed from - although I'm sure they'll be operating through proxies - so that may lead to a dead end.
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I will be amazed if they don't use proxies. These guys are sly.
 
shadowfox said:
Twitter can provide them with server logs - which probably also track the IPs that the account is accessed from - although I'm sure they'll be operating through proxies - so that may lead to a dead end.
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My thoughts exactly. I doubt they'd access it from their own IP. I doubt they'd even access it from the same proxy twice, to be honest.
 
Graal said:
My thoughts exactly. I doubt they'd access it from their own IP. I doubt they'd even access it from the same proxy twice, to be honest.
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Completely agree with you, but in my experience people who are over-confident in their abilities can make some very stupid mistakes. I'm hoping they fall into this category.
 
shadowfox said:
Completely agree with you, but in my experience people who are over-confident in their abilities can make some very stupid mistakes. I'm hoping they fall into this category.
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I was thinking the exact same thing a while ago. They are busy fending off a lot of flak, which makes the potential for making mistakes quite high. Let's say one of them tweets from a mobile device. Have any of you noticed how easy it is to mistakenly tick the "add location" box in mobile Twitter clients? Go check it out.
 
I think the best we can hope for is that they get so arrogant, that one member gets sloppy and slips up somehow.
 
DenSweeP said:
Seeing as these guys are clearly engaged in illegal activity and bragging about it via Twitter, can the authorities in conjunction with Twitter not trace these idiots?
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Yes, they can. But the traces they receive will likely lead to absolutely nowhere and nothing.
See below.

shadowfox said:
Twitter can provide them with server logs - which probably also track the IPs that the account is accessed from - although I'm sure they'll be operating through proxies - so that may lead to a dead end.
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Proxies are a very simplistic first step process to anonymity and security. They most likely also make use of routed circuits, spoofed/fake MAC addresses, and a whole bevvy of other such techniques.
But essentially, yes, probably impossible to trace.

If you consider that they have a website, twitter, and running an actual switchboard - and NOBODY has gotten anywhere yet with all those things in place - it does seem quite scary...

Graal said:
I think the best we can hope for is that they get so arrogant, that one member gets sloppy and slips up somehow.
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And THAT is usually exactly how it goes.
Slip up once, and it all comes tumbling down. Nobody is perfect all the time...
 
This is not actually true. The Web Ninjas (gay name) posted that Ryan was only IN on it and they had a hell of a lot more details that they weren't sharing and that Sabu, a 30-something year old guy from Canada, was actually LulzSec. So more to follow and they weren't misguided in arresting Ryan.
 
TheAvenged87 said:
I was thinking the exact same thing a while ago. They are busy fending off a lot of flak, which makes the potential for making mistakes quite high. Let's say one of them tweets from a mobile device. Have any of you noticed how easy it is to mistakenly tick the "add location" box in mobile Twitter clients? Go check it out.
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shadowfox said:
Completely agree with you, but in my experience people who are over-confident in their abilities can make some very stupid mistakes. I'm hoping they fall into this category.
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TheAvenged87 said:
In due time...hopefully not before they take down the okes who digged into Sega, lol
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My thoughts exactly *rubs hands together in anticipation* These tossers have gone on too long now.
 
+1 for combo thread combining all of this.

Anyway. This is getting interesting. While "that poor bastard" may or may not have been an inner circle member or not, it was great to read the letter that Lulz posted to the FBI. Seems there is no honour among thieves huh.

I will be joyfully watching and following this whole spectacle from the comfortable confines of my armchair.
 
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