PS3 jailbreaker arrested in Johannesburg - world first

Yes yes Kuga, I'm aware of the entire argument (I've even seen all the pretty graphics before) - and no, I was not drawing a comparison between theft and piracy. I was highlighting his flawed logic which dictates that because no-one gets harmed its okay to pirate.

That was my intention. So you posted the little graphics for nothing.
 
For those of you who still doubt the severity of piracy, go here.

(Heads up, a video on the site starts playing automatically, so if you are in an office, keep the sound down).

You can also give tip offs on the site.
 
tpex said:
Ja I know what he did is wrong, but seriously, have we not got bigger crime problems then Sony losing a few bucks? maybe a few hundred rape, murder and hijacking cases? We can give a damn about 1st world crimes when we have 3rd world crime down to acceptable levels...
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I agree completely! We do have way bigger crimes! Lazy police, just want to get an easy arrest.
 
somewhat true, but they did have the power to ruin an economy which can be dangerous, and its not 'couple' bucks lol. i'd sh!t my pants if i knew i lost billions!
 
Lycanthrope said:
These people weren't arrested for private modding/piracy but for commercial use.
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They weren't arrested for modding at all. The only thing they can get these guys on is selling copied material. So where did the jailbreak headline come from? FUD from SAFACT?

DenSweeP said:
If we let this guy off the hook, where do we draw the line between which crimes are okay and which aren't? And, who gets to decide where that line is?
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That's something each citizen has to decide for themselves. It is every citizen in a free society's duty to evaluate the laws and break those they disagree with. Making a law unenforceable is one of the means to do away with that law. But the individual obviously have to be willing to take the consequences if they get caught.
 
kaytel said:
They weren't arrested for modding at all. The only thing they can get these guys on is selling copied material. So where did the jailbreak headline come from? FUD from SAFACT?


That's something each citizen has to decide for themselves. It is every citizen in a free society's duty to evaluate the laws and break those they disagree with. Making a law unenforceable is one of the means to do away with that law. But the individual obviously have to be willing to take the consequences if they get caught.
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Umm ... wait ... what?!?

Hey guys ... I don't agree with the 60km/h speed limit ... so lets just break it all the time. One day they'll make it 160 - something we'll all be comfy with (with the possible exception of dogs, cats and the odd pedestrian)

That has to be one of the most retarded opinions I've ever heard in my life. Making a law unenforceable is not the way to have the law done away with. That's how Anarchy works; just in case you haven't caught the memo yet - South Africa is a Democracy - for what it's worth. If you want a law changed, amended, done away with, or any other such thing - there's a process that gets followed.

If a citizen wants a law changed, he goes to his local governent representative - taking along some very definite reasoning for the proposed change. And then it moves up the ladder until it gets to Parliament, and Parliament will actually propose a draft bill for public participation that allows civil feedback. Much like the proposed Protection of Information act that they're trying to get through. Welcome to Democracy.
 
shadowfox said:
Umm ... wait ... what?!?
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Are you going to tell me you'd follow any law no matter what it was? We have people in history who did that. We don't think very highly of them now.

That has to be one of the most retarded opinions I've ever heard in my life. Making a law unenforceable is not the way to have the law done away with. That's how Anarchy works; just in case you haven't caught the memo yet - South Africa is a Democracy - for what it's worth. If you want a law changed, amended, done away with, or any other such thing - there's a process that gets followed.
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And how do you do that? Just think about it for a bit.

If a citizen wants a law changed, he goes to his local governent representative - taking along some very definite reasoning for the proposed change. And then it moves up the ladder until it gets to Parliament, and Parliament will actually propose a draft bill for public participation that allows civil feedback. Much like the proposed Protection of Information act that they're trying to get through. Welcome to Democracy.
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Are you really this naive?
 
kaytel said:
They weren't arrested for modding at all. The only thing they can get these guys on is selling copied material. So where did the jailbreak headline come from? FUD from SAFACT?
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I've kind of been smiling at this since I read the article title. They arrested a software pirate, not a PS3 jailbreaker. Selling/importing/possessing the jailbreak USB sticks isn't illegal.

Regardless, its a good thing they nabbed him. Selling pirated goods is in my eyes the "lowest form" of piracy.
 
kaytel said:
Are you going to tell me you'd follow any law no matter what it was? We have people in history who did that. We don't think very highly of them now.

And how do you do that? Just think about it for a bit.

Are you really this naive?
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There's a reason we consider ourselves civilised. Making laws unenforceable leads to violence and anarchy. As to the how - I answered that question already. That little process you quoted above ... that's how things actually work in a democratic society. If you live in South Africa, you're part of that society.

And yes, I follow every law, even if I don't personally agree with them. They are there for a reason, and breaking them makes me a criminal.
 
In a constitutional republic like the United States, people often think that the proper response to an unjust law is to try to use the political process to change the law, but to obey and respect the law until it is changed. But if the law is itself clearly unjust, and the lawmaking process is not designed to quickly obliterate such unjust laws, then Thoreau says the law deserves no respect and it should be broken.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)
 
*applause* You quoted Wikipedia. The problem with Civil Disobedience is that not everyone is a pacifist like Martin Luther King Jr, or Ghandi. Hence you have a situation like the one currently in London, where people use it as an excuse to commit crimes like theft and vandalism - and people end up getting hurt and killed.

So - basically, I can't completely disagree with you except that your statement:

It is every citizen in a free society's duty to evaluate the laws and break those they disagree with.
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is innaccurate. The law needs to be specifically unjust in the view of many (and by unjust we're looking at human rights violations) before Civil Disobedience needs to be considered.

So I stand by my original argument - there is a process involved in changing a law. If the law is not unjust, Civil Disobedience has nothing to do with it. You can't arbitrarily decide you don't like a law and then misbehave to get it changed.
 
I am glad when the get these guys that sell all these counterfeit games etc. I can to agree ALMOST understand a person pirating for personal use, but when you sell pirated goods that is just plain stoopid and wrong. Takes a kind of person to sell stolen goods ...
 
Piracy will never end, arrest one group today, the other 500+ just wise up (not to mention they now have more customers). Maybe if everything was sold with better value people would be less likely (notice I say less as people will always go for the cheaper alternative) to make use of pirated goods.

As for the title, you can't tell me this was the world first piracy arrest. Or is this the first time the 'pirate' happened to be a ps3 jailbreaker?
 
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