Official Elite Dangerous Thread

Grievous said:
Awesome thanks. Got it as an xmas present from a friend. I've figured I need to sink some time into it before I really get the hang of it. I'm still pretty horrible at landing. The game looks really interesting, just have so many games to get to, my backlog has only got worse over the holidays.
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fit the Standard Docking Computer. you're welcome. :D
 
axon1988 said:
Well, it never felt like grinding to me :P
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Really? It sure felt like a grind to me having to search through 10-20 USS hoping to get the right cargo, or the assassination target. Whenever you go into an USS there are 5 others close by, but when you come out of an empty one, or a wedding procession, or a guy trying to get you to deliver the cargo which you haven't found yet to somebody else, they have all magically disappeared and you need to look for the next USS for 2-3 minutes before rinsing and repeating.

Completing even the most basic of missions can take a few minutes or several hours without you doing anything different. And then there is no correlation between the time spent and the reward. You can chase after a high bounty and get destroyed by the guy and his armada, or you can try going for the scraps which could take hours for meagre reward. I guess what most people just end up doing is camping the nav beacons and trying to kill steal from the security forces or other NPCs battling it out. That was fun for a bit, but I got tired of it quickly.

It would also help a lot if the salvaged (wreck) cargo wasn't flagged as stolen. It shouldn't be illegal to be salvager IMO.

Then you have the other missions where they want you to deliver cargo x, so you fly to several stations that are suppose to be selling cargo x, but none of them have it, so you fly farther and farther out hoping to get it. Eventually you just give up, or you find it and return for a reward on which the prices have since updated and it's no longer profitable. That's if you can find one of these missions.

IMHO the biggest issue with the missions is that they are (and I can't believe I am going to say this) simply to random. If they give you a mission to go and get X, there should at least be enough X somewhere in the nearby vicinity. I've been made massive amounts of credits to kill a sitting duck in a low level ship, and I've been completely annihilated in seconds by a high levels ship with a measly bounty. Again lack of correlation between the challenge and the reward.
 
axon1988 said:
So there is a way to get past this. Although the recent more aggressive AI sure have made it tougher. And some might consider it a cheat of sorts... depending on your point of view.

Basically when you are smuggling and you jump to a new system, you can tell when an NPC is about to try and interdict you by looking at your radar. You'll see it leveling behind you and getting in range. There's a way of getting them to "stop"
So what you do is try to get some decent speed built up, flying away from the star, and then if you see an NPC get into position to interdict, you do a 180 and fly towards the sun. So once the NPC also turns around and when they get into position you just throttle down to 0 and watch as they zoom past you straight into the star.

Lately it has become quite a bit tougher to do, but it can be rewarding in it's own little way.
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Yeah, I've heard best is to just point your arse at the star upon jumping into, that way they interdict into the star.
#AIlogic
 
axon1988 said:
That's a silly idea. The only thing the docking computer is good for is the music that plays once you activate it.
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hahaha! yeah it gives it a nice Space Odyssey feel :D

but I fit them to all my ships. who has time for manual docking :p
 
BeoTeK said:
Yeah, I've heard best is to just point your arse at the star upon jumping into, that way they interdict into the star.
#AIlogic
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(facepalm)

I fondly remember the original elite and how daunting it was to dock. There I saw real value in having a docking computer, but in Elite Dangerous I haven't ever felt like docking was dangerous enough to warrant it.
 
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Wyzak said:
Really? It sure felt like a grind to me having to search through 10-20 USS hoping to get the right cargo, or the assassination target. Whenever you go into an USS there are 5 others close by, but when you come out of an empty one, or a wedding procession, or a guy trying to get you to deliver the cargo which you haven't found yet to somebody else, they have all magically disappeared and you need to look for the next USS for 2-3 minutes before rinsing and repeating.

Completing even the most basic of missions can take a few minutes or several hours without you doing anything different. And then there is no correlation between the time spent and the reward. You can chase after a high bounty and get destroyed by the guy and his armada, or you can try going for the scraps which could take hours for meagre reward. I guess what most people just end up doing is camping the nav beacons and trying to kill steal from the security forces or other NPCs battling it out. That was fun for a bit, but I got tired of it quickly.

It would also help a lot if the salvaged (wreck) cargo wasn't flagged as stolen. It shouldn't be illegal to be salvager IMO.

Then you have the other missions where they want you to deliver cargo x, so you fly to several stations that are suppose to be selling cargo x, but none of them have it, so you fly farther and farther out hoping to get it. Eventually you just give up, or you find it and return for a reward on which the prices have since updated and it's no longer profitable. That's if you can find one of these missions.

IMHO the biggest issue with the missions is that they are (and I can't believe I am going to say this) simply to random. If they give you a mission to go and get X, there should at least be enough X somewhere in the nearby vicinity. I've been made massive amounts of credits to kill a sitting duck in a low level ship, and I've been completely annihilated in seconds by a high levels ship with a measly bounty. Again lack of correlation between the challenge and the reward.
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I play a bit differently. Perhaps this might shed some light on why my time in Elite never feels like grinding:

1. I utilize third party apps to help with certain things. Like finding specific cargo, if I ever look for those.
2. I never play alone. There are enough players out there that coop is easy to get up and running. Or at least, I've never had problems with it.
3. If I do a mission where I have to look for something then there is an easy way to finish the missions without it taking a lot of time.
3.1. Keeping in mind that I play coop, wings always split up and go out looking for their own signals.
3.2. My way of finding the correct signals is by flying some distance away from the star and then slowing down as much as possible. Fly in a straight line and you will get signals every 10/20 seconds or so.
3.3. The fact that I am in coop comes to play again, with multiple times having to leave my signal to help out a wing that is in trouble. It adds so much to the fun factor in this game for me.
4. I rarely play just for the reward. I play to enjoy the game. Having hte best ship in the game is moot to me. But looking for unique missions is half the fun. Screw the monetary reward. To me the reward comes in sharing space with other players and just doing random things.

Granted, there are some things that are stupid grinds. Such as ranking up in factions. It makes logical sense, but not in a game style environment.
 
Wyzak said:
(facepalm)

I fondly remember the original elite and how daunting it was to dock. There I saw real value in having a docking computer, but in Elite Dangerous I haven't ever felt like docking was dangerous enough to warrant it.
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Very true. I find the docking computers useless. After some practice it becomes an art to swoop down and dock like a graceful swan. Only I'm flying an Asp, and it's farting. And I'm swearing and sweating and the fact that the landing gear hit the dock with a loud bang has nothing to do with my awesome docking skill-to-the-Zs.
 
axon1988 said:
I play a bit differently. Perhaps this might shed some light on why my time in Elite never feels like grinding:

1. I utilize third party apps to help with certain things. Like finding specific cargo, if I ever look for those.
2. I never play alone. There are enough players out there that coop is easy to get up and running. Or at least, I've never had problems with it.
3. If I do a mission where I have to look for something then there is an easy way to finish the missions without it taking a lot of time.
3.1. Keeping in mind that I play coop, wings always split up and go out looking for their own signals.
3.2. My way of finding the correct signals is by flying some distance away from the star and then slowing down as much as possible. Fly in a straight line and you will get signals every 10/20 seconds or so.
3.3. The fact that I am in coop comes to play again, with multiple times having to leave my signal to help out a wing that is in trouble. It adds so much to the fun factor in this game for me.
4. I rarely play just for the reward. I play to enjoy the game. Having hte best ship in the game is moot to me. But looking for unique missions is half the fun. Screw the monetary reward. To me the reward comes in sharing space with other players and just doing random things.

Granted, there are some things that are stupid grinds. Such as ranking up in factions. It makes logical sense, but not in a game style environment.
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Fair enough, but the problem I have with that is again that I am forced to play a recipe or forced to play in a specific manner. In a proper open world game that shouldn't be the case, there should be multiple ways of playing the game and having a good time doing them. Why is it necessary for me to exploit the game to get a proper experience?

In this short discussion the following things have already come to light:
1) Use third party apps to find cargo - even though this functionality is also available in game to an extent, but apparently it's not good enough or the third party apps wouldn't exist.
2) Exploit to avoid npc interdiction
3) Almost Exploit to find USS (you will get one, and then go in, it will take you 30 seconds to find out what's going on around you and to scan all the other ships for bounties, then you hop out. How long after hopping out is it before you see the next USS?) In my case it could take several minutes between USS and if I have a bad run I can easily get up to 10 dud USS which means that I've wasted almost an hour?

I think my biggest problem with Elite is that I simply expected more. I had such fond memories of the original one and I couldn't wait to back this one when it went to Kickstarter for funding, and I'm just not happy with the outcome.
 
axon1988 said:
I play a bit differently. Perhaps this might shed some light on why my time in Elite never feels like grinding:

1. I utilize third party apps to help with certain things. Like finding specific cargo, if I ever look for those.
2. I never play alone. There are enough players out there that coop is easy to get up and running. Or at least, I've never had problems with it.
3. If I do a mission where I have to look for something then there is an easy way to finish the missions without it taking a lot of time.
3.1. Keeping in mind that I play coop, wings always split up and go out looking for their own signals.
3.2. My way of finding the correct signals is by flying some distance away from the star and then slowing down as much as possible. Fly in a straight line and you will get signals every 10/20 seconds or so.
3.3. The fact that I am in coop comes to play again, with multiple times having to leave my signal to help out a wing that is in trouble. It adds so much to the fun factor in this game for me.
4. I rarely play just for the reward. I play to enjoy the game. Having hte best ship in the game is moot to me. But looking for unique missions is half the fun. Screw the monetary reward. To me the reward comes in sharing space with other players and just doing random things.

Granted, there are some things that are stupid grinds. Such as ranking up in factions. It makes logical sense, but not in a game style environment.
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.....I need more in-game friends. I only have 2 that basically made me buy the game cause we were going to play it together. that doesn't happen much.

axon1988 said:
Very true. I find the docking computers useless. After some practice it becomes an art to swoop down and dock like a graceful swan. Only I'm flying an Asp, and it's farting. And I'm swearing and sweating and the fact that the landing gear hit the dock with a loud bang has nothing to do with my awesome docking skill-to-the-Zs.
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hahaha! I will NEVER be as good and fast as that computer. so I'll keep mine till I REALLY need that slot for something more important :D
 
Wyzak said:
Fair enough, but the problem I have with that is again that I am forced to play a recipe or forced to play in a specific manner. In a proper open world game that shouldn't be the case, there should be multiple ways of playing the game and having a good time doing them. Why is it necessary for me to exploit the game to get a proper experience?

In this short discussion the following things have already come to light:
1) Use third party apps to find cargo - even though this functionality is also available in game to an extent, but apparently it's not good enough or the third party apps wouldn't exist.
2) Exploit to avoid npc interdiction
3) Almost Exploit to find USS (you will get one, and then go in, it will take you 30 seconds to find out what's going on around you and to scan all the other ships for bounties, then you hop out. How long after hopping out is it before you see the next USS?) In my case it could take several minutes between USS and if I have a bad run I can easily get up to 10 dud USS which means that I've wasted almost an hour?

I think my biggest problem with Elite is that I simply expected more. I had such fond memories of the original one and I couldn't wait to back this one when it went to Kickstarter for funding, and I'm just not happy with the outcome.
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I avoid the cargo finding missions cause they always want stuff you can't buy anywhere and it's frustrating to hop into every WSS in the hope that it will be what you are looking for.

on the signal front I have no problems finding any. What Sensor Suit are you running? Since I fitted a Class A they are a dime a dozen
 
Wyzak said:
I think my biggest problem with Elite is that I simply expected more. I had such fond memories of the original one and I couldn't wait to back this one when it went to Kickstarter for funding, and I'm just not happy with the outcome.
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That's why I like to remind people that the game has a 10 year development cycle. Now in it's second year. In time it will be what we remembered. But just like with most other games of yesteryear that got a sequel, it becomes really tough for the developer to make every slient / player happy. Because each of us remember something differently and each of us play differently. Not to mention the market is much larger now with many different ages all playing the same games.

Perhaps after a couple of cycles it will be what you remembered.
 
MalicE said:
.....I need more in-game friends. I only have 2 that basically made me buy the game cause we were going to play it together. that doesn't happen much.
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You are welcome to join us, though we are currently embarking on a long journey to the heart and soul nebula. Around 7000LY to travel.
 
MalicE said:
LIES!!!



yeah I've been busy trying to prep my Cobra for a trip to Coalsack

Can't afford an Explorer :cry:
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Coalsack is awesome. I went there the one day. You'll get there with the money thing. Right now the nicest thing to me about the Asp Explorer to me is the fact that I can put 4 SRVs in my cargo without much hassle. Otherwise it's like a space hippo. Big, fat and slow.
 
axon1988 said:
Coalsack is awesome. I went there the one day. You'll get there with the money thing. Right now the nicest thing to me about the Asp Explorer to me is the fact that I can put 4 SRVs in my cargo without much hassle. Otherwise it's like a space hippo. Big, fat and slow.
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I just want it to make the exploration trips a bit shorter. The max range I can get the Cobra to jump is 18Ly


BeoTeK said:
Yes I have, but as you know, with my son I'm normally only on from after 20h00 or 21h00..... by that time you're peeling potatoes.
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by that time I'm done eating dinner already
 
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