US Supreme Court appears split on California game law

/Makes not of this arguments to reffer back to in future.

I think thats the biggest issue facing the world today. Any 2 people can get togther a sqeeze out a baby regardless if they are capable of raising the thing, caring or it or if they of suitable mind to be able to cope with the responsibility of having a child.

I propose a birthing licence.
 
OmegaFenix said:
/Makes not of this arguments to reffer back to in future.

I think thats the biggest issue facing the world today. Any 2 people can get togther a sqeeze out a baby regardless if they are capable of raising the thing, caring or it or if they of suitable mind to be able to cope with the responsibility of having a child.

I propose a birthing licence.
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We've always joked that you need a licence to drive, to own a gun, need to be a certain age to drink alcohol and/or smoke but you can fuck and have kids without a licence! Scary.
 
DenSweeP said:
We've always joked that you need a licence to drive, to own a gun, need to be a certain age to drink alcohol and/or smoke but you can fuck and have kids without a licence! Scary.
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It is Scary. I remember this one Extreme Home MakeOver show episodes that my brother us to love. They basically built a new house for a couple who are both wheel chair bound due to some genetic desease... what the problem? They have FIVE children!!! All except 1 has the same condition. I mean if you have a desease that can be passed on to your children and there is a high percentage chance it will dont have children and if you must only have 1 not 5.

Another example is Octomom, she had 6 kids before she had the octoplets. I mean WTF? Someone should revoke the licence of the Dr who did her artificial incemination. Oh yeah and she doesn't have a husband. 14 Kids and no husband.....

Birthing Licence where are you.
 
While doing some research I came across this and figured it is relevant to this discussion and specifically regarding this post:


Neo said:
I hear what you're saying and you all make good points. But what really cracks me up is that you guys are saying that it's become a cliche of sorts to say that "video games are to blame". In the same breath you guys are shouting the OLDEST cliche of them all: "We blame the parents".

So you're kind of being a bit hypocritical? The only thing you could say that's possibly more daft is "we blame apartheid".
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Parents and teachers need to start teaching children and teens at an early age about the responsibilities of being online as a digital citizen
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Some more intresting info regarding this can be found HERE

I think if people and specifically internet savvy parents made use of a de-facto set of guidelines for using the internet responsibly and educated not only children but people on how to act responsibly on the internet alot of these kind of issues could be avoided.
 
OmegaFenix said:
For every one person who goes a little psyhco from listening to music or playing a game or watching porn or whatever there is a hundred thousand people who do all the same things are perfectly sane and happy.
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The problem is that one idiot is responsible for the death of many other people. You are saying they shouldn't regulate ANYTHING as far as I understand your comments. So let's say one person plays constant GTA IV and (that other game where you are a psychopathic killer) Porn also isn't regulated, he also loves to listen to some black metal where the lead singer keeps screaming(not singing) about how fucked up the world is and how a legion should be started and to kill kill kill and death just horrid crap you don't want to hear.. So he is watching rape porn and child porn and just enjoying his life. Now he sees my beautiful wife and 6 year old daughter when they go to buy groceries at the store one Saturday morning. His mind has been influenced so much by all the things he's seen in porn and everything he has done in a virtual world.

He murders and rapes my wife and child. Now as parents we raised our child very responsibly and kept her away from all the shit the world keeps pumping into your little morally degraded head. This is by no means a reflection on me as a parent. He is that one case of a person that is influenced by games, music and pornography, not that they made him do it. This is why you have to regulate these things. I might be a strong minded individual that wants to keep away from these things because I dislike it. You might like it and not do anything, but for that couple of people that will... you have to regulate it.
 
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SpoOkie said:
The problem is that one idiot is responsible for the death of many other people. You are saying they shouldn't regulate ANYTHING as far as I understand your comments. So let's say one person plays constant GTA IV and (that other game where you are a psychopathic killer) Porn also isn't regulated, he also loves to listen to some black metal where the lead singer keeps screaming(not singing) about how fucked up the world is and how a legion should be started and to kill kill kill and death just horrid crap you don't want to hear.. So he is watching rape porn and child porn and just enjoying his life. Now he sees my beautiful wife and 6 year old daughter when they go to buy groceries at the store one Saturday morning. His mind has been influenced so much by all the things he's seen in porn and everything he has done in a virtual world.

He murders and rapes my wife and child. Now as parents we raised our child very responsibly and kept her away from all the shit the world keeps pumping into your little morally degraded head. This is by no means a reflection on me as a parent. He is that one case of a person that is influenced by games, music and pornography, not that they made him do it. This is why you have to regulate these things. I might be a strong minded individual that wants to keep away from these things because I dislike it. You might like it and not do anything, but for that couple of people that will... you have to regulate it.
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I think you misunderstood me. I never said dont regulate anything. It is good that things like rape porn or child porn is banned or whatever. Also I have no problem with the current form of regulation, ie clear age restrictions. What i do have a problem with is the parents that pull up their shoulders and say "the goverment should ban it" simply coz they are too lazy to take an active roll in their childs life.

Its too convenient (spelling) for people to simply say "yeah its the game/music/tv/whatevers fault" instead of saying... "this guy is fucked up and should have been put down when his mom sqeezed him out."

Make more sense?
 
Absolutely. I do agree with you that some parents will ask for an out right ban on things before considering other possible avenues and that they also do not take responsibility of their actions. Sometimes though, they aren't the only ones at fault.

You could have a 10 year old walk into any gaming store today and buy anything he wishes (gaming centered). I remember as a kid in high school I still made a petition that CNA Brooklyn should be closed down due to the fact that they were willing to sell me a game which I was under the age to buy. The people that should control the sale of the merchandise couldn't care less who is buying it. Police force also won't even break a sweat trying to fine shops that do.

As active as a parent is he can't control what his children do to every extreme measure. When getting home from work would you go onto your sons computer look through all his files, do you check up on all his home work? Some do every once in a while but it is a monumental task to undertake every single day.

As a big lanner in high school I've seen how easy children fool their parents in hiding their porn and certain games. Most of the time the parents are clueless on the inner workings of a computer. Now you might say then they shouldn't get their son a computer. But does every parent know how to build the engine of a car before buying a car themselves?

Society today likes being proud of it's ignorance.
 
SpoOkie said:
Absolutely. I do agree with you that some parents will ask for an out right ban on things before considering other possible avenues and that they also do not take responsibility of their actions. Sometimes though, they aren't the only ones at fault.

You could have a 10 year old walk into any gaming store today and buy anything he wishes (gaming centered). I remember as a kid in high school I still made a petition that CNA Brooklyn should be closed down due to the fact that they were willing to sell me a game which I was under the age to buy. The people that should control the sale of the merchandise couldn't care less who is buying it. Police force also won't even break a sweat trying to fine shops that do.

As active as a parent is he can't control what his children do to every extreme measure. When getting home from work would you go onto your sons computer look through all his files, do you check up on all his home work? Some do every once in a while but it is a monumental task to undertake every single day.

As a big lanner in high school I've seen how easy children fool their parents in hiding their porn and certain games. Most of the time the parents are clueless on the inner workings of a computer. Now you might say then they shouldn't get their son a computer. But does every parent know how to build the engine of a car before buying a car themselves?

Society today likes being proud of it's ignorance.
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And there in lies the problem. If your going to let your 6-8 year old use the computer ensure that you first have at least a basic understand of how to protect your child from unwanted content.

From your posts it sound to me like you are a parent, if this is so then think of what happens when you tell a child to not do something.... they go out of their way to do it.
If you are not a parent then think of yourself in your teens. As soon as something becomes a no-no then you want it so much more. So by creating a ban, even in the form as proposed in this court case, will cause it to become a hot commodity. Think of the other routes a teen might go to obtain the lastest GTA or COD? Piracy, theft?
By say its now illigal to sell games to minors its takes the responsibility off the parents. Now the kid goes onto Piratebay or some other torrent site to try and get this evil titles, Piratebay has provacative adds which peaks the child intrest, he clicks and before he knows what is what he is neck deep in porn. Do you see my argument. I agree stores should enforce the rule of not selling non-age apropriate items to children but to try and force it with a ban is a very slippery slope.

I used this example earlier in this thread. Say this ban goes through not those anti-gaming crusaders, not the ones who just dont want children to play it... those that want noone to play it, and they see ok this could work. Next there is an out right ban on violent video games in the courts, no more cod, starcraft, halo, killzone, assassin's creed... or those people that believe nothing violent should be broadcast on tv come out with a proposed ban on all violent content on tv/film/radio/games. Where does it stop?

I dunno if you saw this post:

While doing some research I came across this and figured it is relevant to this discussion and specifically regarding this post:


Neo said:
I hear what you're saying and you all make good points. But what really cracks me up is that you guys are saying that it's become a cliche of sorts to say that "video games are to blame". In the same breath you guys are shouting the OLDEST cliche of them all: "We blame the parents".

So you're kind of being a bit hypocritical? The only thing you could say that's possibly more daft is "we blame apartheid".
Click to expand...

Parents and teachers need to start teaching children and teens at an early age about the responsibilities of being online as a digital citizen
Click to expand...
Source

Some more intresting info regarding this can be found HERE

I think if people and specifically internet savvy parents made use of a de-facto set of guidelines for using the internet responsibly and educated not only children but people on how to act responsibly on the internet alot of these kind of issues could be avoided.
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I cant think of one person on this forum who back when they where in their teens didn't play a violent game? Most of us turned out ok so why make this huge fuss? Should your 6 year old be better than you at Halo... hell no. but your 16 year old could be.
 
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