PC/Console Piracy vs Series/Movie Piracy

DenSweeP

DenSweeP

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After having been on these forums for a while and having read the MANY opinions of various posters, I can not help but wonder why anyone here who merely hints at copying/pirating a game is instantly deemed the anti-christ, but talking about pirated tv series & movies is fine?

Is that not double standards? "Burn the PS3 hacker at the stake and afterwards I'll go watch the latest House or Smallville or Megamind BRrip on my PC."

Now I'm not saying everyone here watches pirated shows, but lets be honest, I reckon at least 80-90% of the MyG members either have or do so regularly.

So I ask again, why lay into console/PC hackers so, but TV/movie piraters are okay?
 
I hate it in any form, it's the same thing, you are stealing something, be it money or a movie you download, it's stealing end of story and you are a criminal.

piracy is utter crap.
 
I always use this analogy: Scott Pilgrim vs the World was release abroad a full +3 months before its release here. Similarly its Blu-Ray release, which is already available in the rest of the world is only due out here in March. I downloaded it, as I did with the A-Team (which was also released here only several long months after its international release) and when it is released here I buy it, as I did with the A-Team, on Blu-Ray no less.

Even with DSTV the vast majority of programs, Big Bang Theory, Castle, Bones, etc. simply dont appear here until much much later. Of all the series I have downloaded it is only the ones I have not yet found in the shops that remain in their digital for. Does this absolve me from these crimes, no but I sleep better at night thinking of it that way.

The same argument cant be said of game piracy, IMO, since precious few people would go and buy a game after having played it for free, isn't the reason we trade games due to the fact that quiet often 1 play through it enough?
 
Copying series seems to be almost the norm nowadays. Everyone is doing it. I think you are spot on Den, its double standards.

Pirating is pirating. It seems though that some pirating is more acceptable than others.
 
From a legal standpoint:
All the series and movies I have on my PC have been, or will pretty soon come on TV, and I pay for my DSTV, I just prefer watching it on my PC for convenience.

From a moral standpoint:
What physical item have I taken? They still have the movie for themselves, I just have one too now. I won't argue this any further, you all know my feelings on the matter.
 
Raven Gold said:
From a legal standpoint:
All the series and movies I have on my PC have been, or will pretty soon come on TV, and I pay for my DSTV, I just prefer watching it on my PC for convenience.

From a moral standpoint:
What physical item have I taken? They still have the movie for themselves, I just have one too now. I won't argue this any further, you all know my feelings on the matter.
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U've taken their capital, the money they would have made from selling it to u.
 
OmegaFenix said:
U've taken their capital, the money they would have made from selling it to u.
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WOULD HAVE made, if they DID make it allready, and than they lost it, thats stealing. And by the same logic, you trading your 2nd hand games is no different what so ever.
 
Yup. The main reason I don't get involved with piracy debates. I have one or two british documentary series and one or two OLD movies on my PC, which occupies less than 5GB of space. Doesn't make a difference, I didn't pay for it. .

But then you get guys with TB upon TB of movies, series, porn (they need to get paid too you know), you name it. I don't think I fall into the totally evil pirate category, since if I like a movie or series I will go out and buy it - I'm one of those people who like to admire a shelf full of colorful DVD cases.
 
Raven Gold said:
WOULD HAVE made, if they DID make it allready, and than they lost it, thats stealing. And by the same logic, you trading your 2nd hand games is no different what so ever.
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If i bought my game original i paid for it they made their money from me. By trading it for another new title some form of payment is made between the retailer and the publisher. Thus money is still received by the developer. Every pre-own title was once paid for.
 
OmegaFenix said:
If i bought my game original i paid for it they made their money from me. By trading it for another new title some form of payment is made between the retailer and the publisher. Thus money is still received by the developer. Every pre-own title was once paid for.
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Every download too, at one point somebody had to buy it in order to upload it. Atleast as far as the torrent I use.
 
Raven Gold said:
Every download too, at one point somebody had to buy it in order to upload it. Atleast as far as the torrent I use.
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That has to be the stupidest argument I've ever hear.

By trading old for new, payment is still being made. By copying 1 paid title over and over no payment other than the original was ever paid for. So theft.
 
Justify it how you will, it is theft and is wrong!

And don't give me the I pay my TV licence excuse and it is here later than rest of the world. Ok, then order it online from the rest of the world and pay for it. Otherwise wait for it to air on SABC or DSTV.

And unfortuantely, whether you have 100mbs worth of movies or 100tb, it's the same difference. Whether you steal R100 or R10000, you're still stealing.

As for Ravens idiotic reasoning of, "what physical item have I taken?" merely illustrates the stupidity and lack of intelligence of all who try their various justifications. Raven, lets say that you discover the formula for the cure to cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers all in one and I steal the idea and make billions, are you just going to say, He didn't steal anything physical so it's okay?
 
OmegaFenix said:
That has to be the stupidest argument I've ever hear.

By trading old for new, payment is still being made. By copying 1 paid title over and over no payment other than the original was ever paid for. So theft.
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I pay my ISP which I use to download with, I pay for the DVD I put the game on. Payment is made no matter what, how much and to who seems to be the defining difference here.

You buy a preowned, you pay the guy you baught it from, not the publisher, than you sell it again, and you get paid, not the publisher. So where exactly is the difference?
 
DenSweeP said:
Justify it how you will, it is theft and is wrong!

And don't give me the I pay my TV licence excuse and it is here later than rest of the world. Ok, then order it online from the rest of the world and pay for it. Otherwise wait for it to air on SABC or DSTV.

And unfortuantely, whether you have 100mbs worth of movies or 100tb, it's the same difference. Whether you steal R100 or R10000, you're still stealing.

As for Ravens idiotic reasoning of, "what physical item have I taken?" merely illustrates the stupidity and lack of intelligence of all who try their various justifications. Raven, lets say that you discover the formula for the cure to cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers all in one and I steal the idea and make billions, are you just going to say, He didn't steal anything physical so it's okay?
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You are right, theft is theft.

Raven Gold said:
I pay my ISP which I use to download with, I pay for the DVD I put the game on. Payment is made no matter what, how much and to who seems to be the defining difference here.

You buy a preowned, you pay the guy you baught it from, not the publisher, than you sell it again, and you get paid, not the publisher. So where exactly is the difference?
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Ur "paying" maybe but ur not paying the people who produced the product. Quiet possibly the most idiotic argument i have ever heard.
 
Raven accept that you are a criminal by copying movies etc and move on with your life. Almost everyone here does it and is thus also a criminal, no matter the justification.

All I'm trying to say here folks, is stop lambasting the poor sod who comes along and says he like PS3 jailbreaks or he copies games and enjoys it, because we are all guilty of piracy in some form or another. Well, almost all.
 
I'm just pointing out Omega's hipocracy. The difference betreen trading preowned and pirating is superficial. Pirates just collect the raw resources and put it all together themselves, cutting producers out of the loop. Buying a preowned is getting readdy to use, but still cutting the producer out of the loop. Same sin, different methods.
 
Raven Gold said:
I pay my ISP which I use to download with, I pay for the DVD I put the game on. Payment is made no matter what, how much and to who seems to be the defining difference here.
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Bwahahaha.

That's like saying I paid for my car, I paid for the petrol and I've paid for the parking, so why can't I go watch my movie in the cinema for free?

Idiotic argument. Try again.
 
Raven Gold said:
I'm just pointing out Omega's hipocracy. The difference betreen trading preowned and pirating is superficial. Pirates just collect the raw resources and put it all together themselves, cutting producers out of the loop. Buying a preowned is getting readdy to use, but still cutting the producer out of the loop. Same sin, different methods.
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Except I hardly ever buy pre-owned game. I trade my old games and buy new ones. Old the fact that they are not getting a equal cut is the inspiration behind many publishers project $10 or in box DLC.
 
Raven Gold said:
I'm just pointing out Omega's hipocracy. The difference betreen trading preowned and pirating is superficial. Pirates just collect the raw resources and put it all together themselves, cutting producers out of the loop. Buying a preowned is getting readdy to use, but still cutting the producer out of the loop. Same sin, different methods.
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Selling pre-owned is another argument entirely. And in my opinion nothing wrong with it. You bought it legit, so why can't you sell your product? Whereas with a copied movie or show, you obtained it illegally, so comparison ends there.
 
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