Is Steam legal in SA? - A closer look
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sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
Sjoe I think my uncle should give Warren Weertman a raise there lmao 
I think my point has been clearly proven that the FPB should have a nice cup of STFU and go dig themselves another foxhole.
People with half a brain wouldn't be stupid or unethical to distribute Child Porn in the form of games, because it's just wrong in every way, there is no but to that. However it has been made clear that all games that flow through steam are all rated for the various age groups.
So like Warren stated we are not doing anything illegal and ja I knew all along that the FPB have just been looking for an excuse to get more money into the country...
I think my point has been clearly proven that the FPB should have a nice cup of STFU and go dig themselves another foxhole.
People with half a brain wouldn't be stupid or unethical to distribute Child Porn in the form of games, because it's just wrong in every way, there is no but to that. However it has been made clear that all games that flow through steam are all rated for the various age groups.
So like Warren stated we are not doing anything illegal and ja I knew all along that the FPB have just been looking for an excuse to get more money into the country...
Necuno
The Piper
coming from the previous article, FPB needs to first understand what steam really is and not for example think they will stop it at customs.
Sjoe I think my uncle should give Warren Weertman a raise there lmao
I think my point has been clearly proven that the FPB should have a nice cup of STFU and go dig themselves another foxhole.
People with half a brain wouldn't be stupid or unethical to distribute Child Porn in the form of games, because it's just wrong in every way, there is no but to that. However it has been made clear that all games that flow through steam are all rated for the various age groups.
So like Warren stated we are not doing anything illegal and ja I knew all along that the FPB have just been looking for an excuse to get more money into the country...
HavocXphere
New member
FPB dude just got owned on the clarity front by....a bunch of lawyers. lmao
@Tinman: The law firm to go to for intellectual property is Adams & Adams. Nothing wrong with the ones asked though.
@Tinman: The law firm to go to for intellectual property is Adams & Adams. Nothing wrong with the ones asked though.
Tinman
MyGaming Silverback
Just bored, mostly.
shadowfox
Anime Junkie
Put building bridges in a game and I'll take a look at it. Otherwise it's a case of CBA.
As for proper journalism ... the previous article (wonder if you're even aware of it) raised a valid point, and this particular article answered some of those points. Works fine in my book.
Also, nice trolling.
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sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
Firstly what Tinman said, and secondly go get yourself some Engrish Ressons. Your grammer is atrocious.... kktksbai
shadowfox
Anime Junkie
We could argue that playing games is a way of keeping ourselves from getting bored
Anyways - getting back on topic. So the lawyers (last set of people I expected it from) pretty much agree with us that legislation needs to be looked at. Like a lot of other things the lawmakers need to get a lot more progressive about this, especially if you're looking at laws governing online content and distribution - the online world changes so rapidly, and if there's anything I've noticed about lawmakers in particular, it is that they make a law and sit back, considering it done and dusted.
And of course, you need to also consider how long it takes to get new laws passed - usually by the time they get around to it, the original draft is obsolete.
They need to get some younger blood in. Law needs to catch up to the times and become more dynamic - instead of being stuck back in Roman times.
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
We could argue that playing games is a way of keeping ourselves from getting bored
Anyways - getting back on topic. So the lawyers (last set of people I expected it from) pretty much agree with us that legislation needs to be looked at. Like a lot of other things the lawmakers need to get a lot more progressive about this, especially if you're looking at laws governing online content and distribution - the online world changes so rapidly, and if there's anything I've noticed about lawmakers in particular, it is that they make a law and sit back, considering it done and dusted.
And of course, you need to also consider how long it takes to get new laws passed - usually by the time they get around to it, the original draft is obsolete.
They need to get some younger blood in. Law needs to catch up to the times and become more dynamic - instead of being stuck back in Roman times.
lol... Dude if the laws caught up with modern day technology, I think we would be screwed to be quite honest.
shadowfox
Anime Junkie
lol... Dude if the laws caught up with modern day technology, I think we would be screwed to be quite honest.
True ... maybe
You never know. But how sucky would it be if the FPB decided to make a fuss of things under the old laws. The law has so many shortcomings in terms of IT especially it's a major black hole. I'd hate to be caught afoul of it - even in a best case situation you're looking at many years of grief.
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
True ... maybe
You never know. But how sucky would it be if the FPB decided to make a fuss of things under the old laws. The law has so many shortcomings in terms of IT especially it's a major black hole. I'd hate to be caught afoul of it - even in a best case situation you're looking at many years of grief.
I would hate to be the one who has to try and draw up these laws from the IT perspective, due to the fact that there are soooooooooooo many loopholes, and ja one law is literally not enough for the amount that goes on...
@sycogrim
I'm Afrikaans, and how is your critique of my grammar helpful to the discussion?
@shadowfox
Not trolling, just speaking my mind, and yes I read the "moving images" article.
I notice that you are an anime fan, so let me ask how much of your anime is legal(or should I ask how much of your anime is not licensed here so "not illegal")?
I go out of my way to buy games instead of pirating them and if steam should be blocked here it will be people like me who's willing to pay, that will suffer.
And you guys have yet to answer my question.
a.) If steam is potentially illegal, what makes the android market, apple app store legal?
b.) If the Film and Publications Board is really this concerned with fighting piracy, why do you still get a bunch of okes on every street corner selling those fake dvd's a la east rand mall?
I'm Afrikaans, and how is your critique of my grammar helpful to the discussion?
@shadowfox
Not trolling, just speaking my mind, and yes I read the "moving images" article.
I notice that you are an anime fan, so let me ask how much of your anime is legal(or should I ask how much of your anime is not licensed here so "not illegal")?
I go out of my way to buy games instead of pirating them and if steam should be blocked here it will be people like me who's willing to pay, that will suffer.
And you guys have yet to answer my question.
a.) If steam is potentially illegal, what makes the android market, apple app store legal?
b.) If the Film and Publications Board is really this concerned with fighting piracy, why do you still get a bunch of okes on every street corner selling those fake dvd's a la east rand mall?
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
Well simple grammar for the rest of us to understand would help with the current topic, because quite frankly by your last statement people think of you as a troll. Regardless of whether you are Afrikaans or not, you could still learn to use grammar properly, you're typing on a keyboard ffs...
Now to answer your questions at hand:
a) As far most people know, or should I say assume. The handheld stores and their servers are not setup here in SA, therefore we are purchasing items abroad, now that we know that steam have servers located here in SA, distributing the games we enjoy so much, it's a bit of a different story when it comes to local distribution. However like Warren said in the article, those people hosting the steam servers are licensed to distribute digitally.
b) The Film and Publications board have tried getting rid of them, but I'm not sure if anyone read that international conference release on digital piracy?? Well here in SA Bruma (situated in the East Rand), is actually the highest distribution area of digital media in the country when it comes to piracy. So the 5/O have tried shutting the syndicates there down, but within days everyone is back up and running again like nothing ever happened.
Now to answer your questions at hand:
a) As far most people know, or should I say assume. The handheld stores and their servers are not setup here in SA, therefore we are purchasing items abroad, now that we know that steam have servers located here in SA, distributing the games we enjoy so much, it's a bit of a different story when it comes to local distribution. However like Warren said in the article, those people hosting the steam servers are licensed to distribute digitally.
b) The Film and Publications board have tried getting rid of them, but I'm not sure if anyone read that international conference release on digital piracy?? Well here in SA Bruma (situated in the East Rand), is actually the highest distribution area of digital media in the country when it comes to piracy. So the 5/O have tried shutting the syndicates there down, but within days everyone is back up and running again like nothing ever happened.
shadowfox
Anime Junkie
I'll refresh your memory. In your little four-line post, you posted one relevant question - not including the part quoted below:
So - I feel the need to ask - was it necessary. People ignored your question because they saw the first few lines and thought - Troll. Like I did. If that was intended to be some sort of criticism - you have my assurances that it fell badly short.
Regarding that question, I can't offer you a reasonable answer. It's imported for the most part, and as such needs to pass through customs. For this reason I can only assume that such material is okayed.
We also need to look at the fact that the FPB doesn't fulfill a censorship function - but only a classification function - the only material that is rejected out of hand is child pornography. Again though - as long as I'm not distributing the anime, there's no way I can fall afoul of their regulations - the distributor is technically at fault.
It's material for a seperate discussion, at least.