Crime in SA getting out of hand

Seriously though, what can the UK offer that SA can't? And remember one little thing, as unlikely as it is is to happen, but the major first world countries, USA, UK, France, Aus etc are also almost all featured on some terrorist top 3 destinations to nuke. It might sound silly, but ask New York? Speak to the London Underground. Look up Madrid train bombings.

Yes, we have shit here and quite a bit of it, but the only way I'll consider leaving SA is if we had to go the route of Zim, but I doubt that would easily happen.
 
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Ek het n ou geken, wat AUS toe getrek het, agv Crime, jobs etc. Sy eerste dag in AUS, word hy gemug, gunpoint.

Yup, I went to London with my family 2 years ago, and the first day I went there, we saw a guy on a superbike rob a jewelry store and it was on the news that night. Crime happens everywhere. In this country you just need to be streetwise and try to not set yourself up for anything dodgy, as much as you can.
 
My friend lived in the uk for a year and he was jumped by yobs for his bag lol. cracked his head open.
The med care in uk sucks and in the us.
 
Seriously though, what can the UK offer that SA can't? And remember one little thing, as unlikely as it is is to happen, but the major first world countries, USA, UK, France, Aus etc are also almost all featured on some terrorist top 3 destinations to nuke. It might sound silly, but ask New York? Speak to the London Underground. Look up Madrid train bombings.

Yes, we have shit here and quite a bit of it, but the only way I'll consider leaving SA is if we had to go the route of Zim, but I doubt that would easily happen.

Ye, its a matter of personal luck. What you don't think ppl get mugged in the UK? :P maybe less hate crime but then again there's terrorism and natural disasters and ontop of that shitty weather!
 
Whilst it is true that Crime is everywhere (hence the need for police services everywhere), the critical difference between SA and say any "Developed World" country is that over there, there is a palpable difference between those called "The Criminals" and those called "The Police".

Over here in sunny SA, you'd be hard pressed (and mugged and shot at and and and) to tell the difference most times between the Criminals and the Cops. Witness the frequency with which we replace our police commissioners not because they're in the line of fire but since they're in the line for back-pocket packets. Of Money!

Another factor is: Social Services and of course "Serving the Public Trust".
We in SA know so little of what these are that most reading this will have to Google it to find out exactly what these terms mean. And once one has seen the benefits of living in a co-operative, civilised society that has these characteristics, it's hard to justify living in the opposite which is a hostile, barbaric society like South Africa.

Ask yourself a very simple question: If your car were to break down, would a random stranger stop and try and help? Would you stop to help a random stranger stranded by the side of the road?
No. We fear all sorts of things and trust no other member of the public. With anything.

And this costs heaps in money, tension, stress and so forth if you cannot rely on the "Public Trust" for anything.

And this is why people emigrate. Why pay so much tax when all that happens is it's either thrown back into your face with some racial insult and threats or thrown down the black hole. The very very black hole.
 
People going over expecting a utopia are in for a rude awakening. Yes there is crime every where but the deciding factor for me is a small thing called Affirmative Action. You know how nice it is to apply for jobs and not see "BEE-Position" or "Only Affirmative Action candidates need apply" in job ads. As for the people complaining about the weather... Summer weather is slightly cooler than ours and their winters are nice and chilly. I, having lived there for two years, never quite got the whole "miserable people" thing. So yeah.
 
Yup, I went to London with my family 2 years ago, and the first day I went there, we saw a guy on a superbike rob a jewelry store and it was on the news that night. Crime happens everywhere. In this country you just need to be streetwise and try to not set yourself up for anything dodgy, as much as you can.

When I was in the shopping centers banking quarter and okes came running in AK47's blazing it didn't make the evening news. :mad:
 
crime....why look at crime as crime. we should love each other and show each other respect and then crime will go down because we look out for each other :) our country is so full of rich diversity and we need to embrace that and never let go. positive things happen to people who are positive and also do something to show other people that they are positive so that they could also become positive :) love your neighbour as you love yourself :)
 
crime....why look at crime as crime. we should love each other and show each other respect and then crime will go down because we look out for each other :) our country is so full of rich diversity and we need to embrace that and never let go. positive things happen to people who are positive and also do something to show other people that they are positive so that they could also become positive :) love your neighbour as you love yourself :)

Maybe in some fantasy world but here in the real world it doesn't work like that. Bad things happen to good people, most often they happen more the good people than bad people. All the happy thoughts, pyramid power, optimism, hugging and free-love in the multiverse can and will not change human nature. Our country is falling apart and is slipping down the slope on its way to joining the rest of the dark continent and your talking about love your neighbor - fuck him & his fat wife. The world is about 1 thing - survival of the fittest. If it came down to me surviving meant you had to die, i would bash your head in with a brick in less time it took me to type out this post.
 
The world is about 1 thing - survival of the fittest. If it came down to me surviving meant you had to die, i would bash your head in with a brick in less time it took me to type out this post.

Then why leave SA? Seems to me like a cop-out. If someone is supposed to be the fittest to survive, shouldn't you be able to survive anywhere, SA included? In fact, by staying in SA, we are proving ourselves to be better than the rest of the world by being able to survive is supposedly tough conditions...
 
Then why leave SA? Seems to me like a cop-out. If someone is supposed to be the fittest to survive, shouldn't you be able to survive anywhere, SA included? In fact, by staying in SA, we are proving ourselves to be better than the rest of the world by being able to survive is supposedly tough conditions...

Hahahaha!! Wise words :p
 
Then why leave SA? Seems to me like a cop-out. If someone is supposed to be the fittest to survive, shouldn't you be able to survive anywhere, SA included? In fact, by staying in SA, we are proving ourselves to be better than the rest of the world by being able to survive is supposedly tough conditions...

The only thing I'm proving by staying in SA is the fact that I don't currently have the resources available to go anywhere else. :p

Taking that into account though, if you're looking in terms of being fittest, sometimes survival requires that you move to a new location. No point in trying to prove your survivability from inside your house while it's on fire rather than going outside first :p

I'm not going to take any digs at Omega or anyone else for leaving the country - as a matter of fact the minute I'm sure I can get out I'm going, and people can call me a coward and a traitor and whatever else they want to - the concept of loyalty to your country of birth is an outmoded concept that should have faded away with the Cold War - but if it gains me peace of mind and security then I'll take it as a fair trade, with profit on my side.
 
Financial considerations aside, I would consider moving abroad if I could find somewhere that really would make as happy and content as SA. Climate. Language. Sport. Infrastructure. Food. Everything plays a role and quite honestly I can't find somewhere that meets all my needs. Maybe I'm just picky, but please, where else is the world can you get what SA can offer? And I'm not talking about crime. I mean, where in one country can you go see elephants and lions walking in the wild freely and still speak english and/or afrikaans? Or drive for 6 hours and go swim on some of the worlds' best beaches? Or go skiing on some mountain slopes in the winter? Or have a braai with some boeries and chops with mates drinking a balck label? Or go to a rugby stadium with your mates and lots of biltong? Or go to the west coast and enjoy the namaqualand? Or go up to the Kalahari and enjoy the desert scenery. Or go to Mpumalanga and enjoy the beauty of the mountains and forests there? And what about being able to go wine testing on some of the best wines in the world and then go to the top of the world's most recognisable mountain in cable car and afterwards enjoy sundowners on Camp's Bay?

I'm not knocking anyone leaving SA. Everyone has their own reasons, but I think sometimes people are too hasty in their decisions or go for the wrong reasons. But hey, each to his own! For now I'll stay and enjoy everything my birthplace has to offer!
 
Financial considerations aside, I would consider moving abroad if I could find somewhere that really would make as happy and content as SA. Climate. Language. Sport. Infrastructure. Food. Everything plays a role and quite honestly I can't find somewhere that meets all my needs. Maybe I'm just picky, but please, where else is the world can you get what SA can offer? And I'm not talking about crime. I mean, where in one country can you go see elephants and lions walking in the wild freely and still speak english and/or afrikaans? Or drive for 6 hours and go swim on some of the worlds' best beaches? Or go skiing on some mountain slopes in the winter? Or have a braai with some boeries and chops with mates drinking a balck label? Or go to a rugby stadium with your mates and lots of biltong? Or go to the west coast and enjoy the namaqualand? Or go up to the Kalahari and enjoy the desert scenery. Or go to Mpumalanga and enjoy the beauty of the mountains and forests there? And what about being able to go wine testing on some of the best wines in the world and then go to the top of the world's most recognisable mountain in cable car and afterwards enjoy sundowners on Camp's Bay?

I could answer most of those questions for you - honestly.

Australia can probably offer you most of those - including the braais, if you find yourself in a community with a lot of expats (there's a town on the North Coast which has a pretty large expat population I've heard). Climate is identical in most respects, they speak English, which honestly is the only language I even speak these days (I dumped Afr as my first language when I left school), they have pretty epic beaches, they are sport fanatics about the same sports (meaning you can still go to the stadiums with your mates), you can go braai with any of the millions of expats you find there, their infrastructure, education, medical, legal systems are in much better condition than ours.

And as much as everybody in SA seems to hate the Aussies, I wonder if anyone has ever considered that maybe it is because they share so many similarities to us. Maybe I'm generalising a lot, but I've spent time with some Aussies, and apart from the accents, it was pretty much like spending time with a group of South Africans. Especially once they get boozed up.

Australia also, surprisingly enough, has quite a robust wining industry - perhaps not world class like SA's, but I don't drink wine, so it doesn't bother me in particular.

A couple of things are endemic, certainly, they don't have Table Mountain, elephants, lions and so on, but they have Ayer's Rock, the Great Barrier Reef, kangaroos and friggin Koalas. Who doesn't like Koalas? :p

I understand the argument you're making DenSweep, and I think it's great that you have pride in the country - but every country is unique in it's own way, and every country has things to offer that others don't. But for me, the benefits of living in a first world country would outweigh the benefits of staying here - and I would also be free of the constant news of corruption, crime, tenderpreneurship, lying and contradicting government officials, racial rhetoric and Julius Malema.

[EDIT] Actually - get rid of Malema, and I might change my mind a bit :p
 
Then why leave SA? Seems to me like a cop-out. If someone is supposed to be the fittest to survive, shouldn't you be able to survive anywhere, SA included? In fact, by staying in SA, we are proving ourselves to be better than the rest of the world by being able to survive is supposedly tough conditions...

I have survived here for 25 years and I'm bored with not only the country but the people in it. I'm tired of getting maybe 1mb/s instead of 20.

Sometimes survival isn't enough, maybe because deep down I worry that 1 night I'm going to wake up with some guy standing over my wife with a panga and I would be helpless. Yes bad things can happen anywhere but I'll take my chances with the first world rather than the 3rd.

Financial considerations aside, I would consider moving abroad if I could find somewhere that really would make as happy and content as SA. Climate. Language. Sport. Infrastructure. Food. Everything plays a role and quite honestly I can't find somewhere that meets all my needs. Maybe I'm just picky, but please, where else is the world can you get what SA can offer? And I'm not talking about crime. I mean, where in one country can you go see elephants and lions walking in the wild freely and still speak english and/or afrikaans? Or drive for 6 hours and go swim on some of the worlds' best beaches? Or go skiing on some mountain slopes in the winter? Or have a braai with some boeries and chops with mates drinking a balck label? Or go to a rugby stadium with your mates and lots of biltong? Or go to the west coast and enjoy the namaqualand? Or go up to the Kalahari and enjoy the desert scenery. Or go to Mpumalanga and enjoy the beauty of the mountains and forests there? And what about being able to go wine testing on some of the best wines in the world and then go to the top of the world's most recognisable mountain in cable car and afterwards enjoy sundowners on Camp's Bay?

I'm not knocking anyone leaving SA. Everyone has their own reasons, but I think sometimes people are too hasty in their decisions or go for the wrong reasons. But hey, each to his own! For now I'll stay and enjoy everything my birthplace has to offer!

Infrastructure? Here? Seriously?
None of those things interest me, I've seen them all. I don't like sport, not all that out doorsy and if I need to show my kid Lions or whatever SA is a 12 hour flight away.
 
Hehehe Ok just a little bit off topic here - I hate koala's! Do you know how bad they stink!?!

On topic, If my immigration was approved I would be living in Aus right now. Simple reason being I spent 6 weeks in the country. I loved it! Its similar to SA. I was in their wine district, tasted their wines and have to admit there are some lovely wines out there. I mean my sister and her husband and kids live in a small town about 2 hours from Adelaide. They know fair few Saffa's since they are all over the show.

The things that impressed me the most was how people stuck to speeding limits, not drinking when driving (I was the designated driver whilst there since I dont drink much at all - a glass of wine maybe and it gave my sister and her husband time to enjoy their time out of the house). The fact that they still dont lock the house unless they go out for more than 2 or 3 hours. The fact that their kids can play outside all day with no worries. They just keep the gate to the yard shut so that the kids dont go play by themselves at the river that is across the road.

The fact that they have started 2 successful business with no major issues and the loans from the banks are more than manageable. And yes I love kangaroo's! Even when its a kangaroo steak on my plate :P
 
Hehehe Ok just a little bit off topic here - I hate koala's! Do you know how bad they stink!?!

You don't have to hold them - admire them from a distance :p

But mostly, yeah - I get what you're saying - the Aussies are very, very similar in terms of lookout and personality - that's why we're so competitive. Think about how most high-schools have an "enemy" school they always have to beat - it's usually close by and you're mates with people there - but when it comes to sports days there's blood involved.

If an immigration official had to come to me today and tell me "You're in, mate!" - I wouldn't even stop to pack my bags :p
 
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