Day One

Sou1Co11ector

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Back in the day, before consoles were the developers choice platform (I have accepted this sad fact, but it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it), games did get patches, but they didn't need patches on the first day of release to work.

Thus the title Day One referring to day one patches.

This is a growing trend, especially this year. Games are being released at record rates and making record sales, but also breaking records for the amount of bugs and day one patches required for these games to work.

Let's look at some of the games that got day one patches over the last year:

THE LIST!

16 Titles! This is getting ridiculous. These are the releases for about one year.

Of course this list might just be my paranoid delusion, that game developers are RUSHING THEIR GAMES! I for one really wanted to blame consoles for this, but this is not the other platforms' fault.


Who's fault is it?
The fault lies with the Publishers who put down unrealistic deadlines and penalties to the developers for late delivery of a product. Who put pressure on developers to deliver the product and not get the needed product testing done.

Pressure from investors who probably have never played a game in their lives and the BOTTOM-LINE is all that matters and not a quality product, because gamers are stupid mindless zombies that obviously can't tell a rushed and unfinished product from a truly polished AAA title with all the bells and whistles included from the start.

Right Publishers?


But wait there's more!
Don't worry it is not just the publishers who are the devil here, I am, you are, we all are a integral part of this whole vicious cycle.

We hear about a release date for a game and it goes viral, it spreads like wildfire around the world and the internet, on social networks, tweeted, shared, linked, posted on forums with in-depth discussions and speculation...

Then when the game might get delayed we cause an enormous outcry and slam these developers as useless, liers and various other forms of insults from our unique sense of rage.


My Opinion
Give a vague release date, "When it's done..." ooh ominous! No but seriously give a release date like 2012 or 2013. Developers shouldn't force themselves to abide by when we expect them to give us the game.

They should deliver the game when it is done and a complete product. Not when a calender says it's done or when ficle gamers demand it from them.

The best developer for me atm, would be ArenaNet, sure they are using the When it's done release date, but at least these guys aren't letting us hold them hostage with a fixed calender date. They have stated many times that the game will be released when it's done, not sooner. End of story.

And I am actually more than fine with that, at least I know they are taking their time to do it right.


Conclusion
I hate that games are being churned out like cookies on a production line and that the quality of the games are being impacted upon by the pressure from Publishers and investors and of course the consumers.

I can probably look past the fact that DLC is a ripoff and that restrictive DRM is a punishment for legit buyers, but only if developers and publishers deliver to me, the consumer, a quality product, that I can play when I buy it.

Publishers should ease the pressure on developers and have them release the game in a timely fashion when they (the developers) feels the game is ready for launch. Having a complete and bug-free (as free from bugs as can be reasonably expected) game will increase the profits of the publishers as well.

Less pressure.
Better games.
Happier gamers.
More profit.
Simple.
 
Back in the day, before consoles were the developers choice platform (I have accepted this sad fact, but it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it), games did get patches, but they didn't need patches on the first day of release to work.
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Right there you lost my attention. If the first thing I read in a thread starts with this platform-racism I lose any and all interest.

As for the topic at hand - I honestly dont see the issue. Bugs will slip through and for me downloading a 6mb update on release day doesn't bug me, its done in less than 10 second.

As for the hole "back in the day" theme - back in the day games where significantly less complex than they are today, they also cost more money to make that you or I will every see even if we save every penny we earn. Be glad the developer took the time to push out that patch rather than saying "well its out now and if the odd bug, that we could have fixed with a day one, slipped in - fuck em."

We all laugh at the silly bugs and glitches in Skyrim but if you take a minute to actually try and fathom the complex layers of systems than govern the game world its an incredible achievement.
 
Also the sizes of the patches are ridiculous for day one releases, you'd think the patches would be oh I don't know 30 megs at most.
 
Right there you lost my attention. If the first thing I read in a thread starts with this platform-racism I lose any and all interest.

As for the topic at hand - I honestly dont see the issue. Bugs will slip through and for me downloading a 6mb update on release day doesn't bug me, its done in less than 10 second.

As for the hole "back in the day" theme - back in the day games where significantly less complex than they are today, they also cost more money to make that you or I will every see even if we save every penny we earn. Be glad the developer took the time to push out that patch rather than saying "well its out now and if the odd bug, that we could have fixed with a day one, slipped in - fuck em."

We all laugh at the silly bugs and glitches in Skyrim but if you take a minute to actually try and fathom the complex layers of systems than govern the game world its an incredible achievement.

I'm so over people being gaming system biased I just ignore those parts, gaming is gaming and should be done on any platform you wish, but he does have a valid point, I'd not worry if the patch was only 6 megs but some of them are 300+
 
I'm so over people being gaming system biased I just ignore those parts, gaming is gaming and should be done on any platform you wish, but he does have a valid point, I'd not worry if the patch was only 6 megs but some of them are 300+

I have never had a patch on xbox larger than 30mb. PS3 yeah the odd one that goes a bit bigger.

As for the size, keep in mind the complexity of most game engines, im sure if they could fit everything in to a 5mb file they would.
 
Right there you lost my attention. If the first thing I read in a thread starts with this platform-racism I lose any and all interest.

I probably should've noted that I also own a console, the Xbox360.

As for the topic at hand - I honestly dont see the issue. Bugs will slip through and for me downloading a 6mb update on release day doesn't bug me, its done in less than 10 second.

Yeah I don't know when last a new game had a 6Mb update for a day one patch. And yes downloading it would be fine. But I had to wait 2 / 3 hours to download 237Mb for Skyrim. Battlefield 3 was 400Mb download for it to be playable.

Having a complete and bug-free (as free from bugs as can be reasonably expected)

Never said that games had to have no bugs at all ever, or updates ever, just that these day one patches are bullshit as they interfere with my enjoyment of the game. Devs should take a bit more time to sort their products, that's the issue.
 
I probably should've noted that I also own a console, the Xbox360.



Yeah I don't know when last a new game had a 6Mb update for a day one patch. And yes downloading it would be fine. But I had to wait 2 / 3 hours to download 237Mb for Skyrim. Battlefield 3 was 400Mb download for it to be playable.



Never said that games had to have no bugs at all ever, or updates ever, just that these day one patches are bullshit as they interfere with my enjoyment of the game. Devs should take a bit more time to sort their products, that's the issue.

Which Platform where those?

Xbox Skyrim 6mb
Xbox BF3... i dont even know it was done before i even got back to my seat.
 
Got them for PC because R600 a game is a bit steep for me at present, BF3 on console, not happening unless they have a keyboard and mouse addon.

The last time I touched my Xbox was about 6 months ago, when it got stolen and I retrieved it.
 
Got them for PC because R600 a game is a bit steep for me at present, BF3 on console, not happening unless they have a keyboard and mouse addon.

The last time I touched my Xbox was about 6 months ago, when it got stolen and I retrieved it.

Aren't all patches on PC large? IMO it all comes back to the complexity of modern games. They no longer come on a single floppy so expecting the patch to seems a little silly.

I maintain it doesn't bug me and even if I did play pc patches of those size wouldn't bug me. 500mb file takes about 5min to download. so yeah.
 
Well, a lot of bugs are hard to replicate, especially on PC. By this I mean different hardware. The developers can't possibly have every combination of hardware available to them, and they won't have as many testers as people who buy the game. There's no way a handful of testers will run into as many bugs as the millions of people who buy the game.

That paragraph is very badly worded but I'm too lazy to fix it. :p
 
I'd rather download a day one patch if it would result in a more enjoyable game. The patches are also better for gamers and developers as it enables gamers to fix glitches and us gamers reap the benefits. So it really not all that bad.......:)
 
Doesn't phase me in the slightest. As long as I get to play the game eventually, who cares.
Until your internet is down for a few weeks due to cable outtages etc... Come back then and convince me that you're fine with waiting to play that game you JUST brought a few hours ago.
The issue is that most of the time, without these day-one patches, the game doesn't function at all. Even after said patches they sometimes still dont...

As for the hole "back in the day" theme - back in the day games where significantly less complex than they are today
Not an excuse.
The real story is that developers got lazy. They simply assume that everyone has internet, and if you don't - go get fucked.
 
Until your internet is down for a few weeks due to cable outtages etc... Come back then and convince me that you're fine with waiting to play that game you JUST brought a few hours ago.
The issue is that most of the time, without these day-one patches, the game doesn't function at all. Even after said patches they sometimes still dont...


Not an excuse.
The real story is that developers got lazy. They simply assume that everyone has internet, and if you don't - go get fucked.

If the internet is down you can still play your game and it would only be a problem if there is a game breaking bug in it.

Yes the developers who spend 4 years on a game are lazy.:rolleyes: I really hate entitled gamers. Very few day one patches fix game breaking bugs, the amount of games that launch with these severe bugs are few and far between so unless ur game has one of those there should be nothing to dampen your enjoyment of the game. Also everybody does have internet. Just coz you at the ass end of the multivese don't, why should that bother us in the developed world?
 
I'm so over people being gaming system biased I just ignore those parts, gaming is gaming and should be done on any platform you wish

There is a reason PC gamers are very biased. gaming is not just gaming in some people's opinion.

I dont really want to get into arguments why PC is better than console. I too own a console and it has its uses but it nowhere near competes with my 4 year old PC. The reason I dont like consoles as a gaming method is that you can have a mouse and keyboard work on a console but the developers refuse to implement it into their games becasue it gives an unfair advantage to those who have to use the control.(use a damn filter and when creating a server specify control only, k/b and mouse only, both etc..). If they would just implement this I would have no issue with a console. And theres no ways a guy with a control will ever beat me with a mouse and k/b - I will even go into a competition to prove this point if needed (This is obviously for games that i specifically need a keyboard/mouse like FPS's). But anyway this is not the point of this topic.

I agree games are being made sloppy and the day one patches prove it. Most times i think developers are trying to push their games out before the their competitors and not testing their game 100% which is causing day one patches. Dont get me wrong, the patches are needed and well appreciated but i still feel that it should be tested over and over and over as many times as necessary to make sure there is no need for a day one patch.

games are getting more complex but thats not our problem. they pay highly skilled developers and many of them to fix these problems. I mean if we apply this logic to other things we buy. Buy a modern merc and its much more complex than a merc made 20years ago. But you dont see that merc come out the shop with the GPS not working, or the new fancy dashboard buttons not doing what they supposed to. They make sure that everything is working 110% before they release their stuff (sure a merc costs tons more than a game but surely they dont sell 5-6million mercs on launch day).

I also agree with Sou1Co11ector that alot of people are to blame, The second a game gets delayed everybody goes into a riot and starts moaning and complaints left right and center. People are selfish and it causes alot of the games to be pushed out faster than they should because the developers are scared to lose money. But its a catch 22.. either release late and have people that complain or release when you say you were and have people compalin about bugs or day one patches.At the end of the day its a game and its meant to make you happy and its meant to have fun, I just wish people would realise this and stop taking it so seriously.
 
Also everybody does have internet. Just coz you at the ass end of the multivese don't, why should that bother us in the developed world?

WOW that's harsh dude. Not everyone lives in the UK or the US etc. And everyone doesn't have internet.

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