led/lcd tv?
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Lupus
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Yeah that is widely known but doesn't mean thr tvs are equal, the rest of the tv innards make a massive difference, also my 46d550 uses around 114watts with certain settings.
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Qrox
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Getting a tv can be a bit tricky at times. A while back we went out looking for a tv and was surprised to see that some of the LCD versions had better colors than the LED versions of tvs in the same price range. It isn't like that with all of them though, I know one of the LED samsung monitors color is WAY ahead of any other monitor that I can think of, but are unfortunately quite expensive.
The 100hz also makes the picture look a lot smoother. I suggest before you buy, you should go out to the shops and look at the monitors on display. So far I think your best bet is to stick with samsung.
The 100hz also makes the picture look a lot smoother. I suggest before you buy, you should go out to the shops and look at the monitors on display. So far I think your best bet is to stick with samsung.
DarthSWNT
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LEDs are notoriously bad sources of pure white light. The reason why you go LED is consistency, less flicker, brightness, weight and consumption.
Luckily the panel itself can compensate for the LED problem or you can get RGB LED monitors.
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Luckily the panel itself can compensate for the LED problem or you can get RGB LED monitors.
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Lupus
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I always thought plasma was the older technology
Led usually have more consistant reproduction of colour across the whole scree.
Lcd versus plasma, plasma usually has very high refresh rates and low response times, and have better contrast (whiter whites and darker blacks)plasmas do suffer from ghosting and images burning in however.
Ghosting is when a scene changes and the old image stays for a short time afterwards.
Lcds are lighter, cooler, dont have ghosting or burn and are more vivid. There are many types of panels though such as IPS and TN. TN are way inferior to plasmas in terms of viewing angle but have fast response times.
Brands that are good in the lcd market (samsung) are not good in the plasma market.
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Some incorrect statements here, most plasmas have a deeper blacks and more natural colours, the whites though are where the issue lays, this goes to lcds, also ghosting was more prominent on older lcd tvs not on plasmas.
Burn in has also been nearly wiped out though there has been some complaints. At the end of the day go and take a look at the screens before buying.
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DarthSWNT
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No. And "lays" is a brand of potato chip.
ghosting is caused by the change in plasma. White will always be an issue, but I was just comparing them to lcd's which have bad production of white.
Saying something is incorrect and stating the opposite conclusion is not an argument.
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PostmanPot
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What's your viewing distance?
If viewing distance is >2.5m, R5,999 - R6,500 Samsung PS51D450 51" HD Ready 1365x768 plasma. No question about it.
If must be LCD, R5,999 - R6,500 Samsung LA40D550
For R8k and must be LCD, R7,999 Samsung LA46D550 46" Full HD LCD.
For R10k budget, ±R9,500 Samsung PS51D550 51" FHD plasma, or ±R9,500 UA40D6000 100Hz FHD LED backlit LCD.
Entry plasma will beat entry LCD under "average light" at picture quality.
Mid range LCD puts up a good fight against mid range plasma, but why D550 plasma wins at a R10k budget is because you get 11" bigger than the D6000 LED backlit LCD.
Most people would only ever use 100Hz from the D6000 for gaming and sport because it makes other TV/media look like it's filmed with a hand held camera. So you may be interested in sacrificing 11" if you perceive the 100Hz to give you a better experience than 11", if you heavily rely on gaming.
Remember that Hz = FPS. Do not get trapped in what can be marketing gimmick, remember most movies are shot at a mere 24FPS, and most games handle motion perfectly at 50/60Hz. 100Hz TVs add their own extra information to the source to get it to 100Hz.
If viewing distance is >2.5m, R5,999 - R6,500 Samsung PS51D450 51" HD Ready 1365x768 plasma. No question about it.
If must be LCD, R5,999 - R6,500 Samsung LA40D550
For R8k and must be LCD, R7,999 Samsung LA46D550 46" Full HD LCD.
For R10k budget, ±R9,500 Samsung PS51D550 51" FHD plasma, or ±R9,500 UA40D6000 100Hz FHD LED backlit LCD.
Entry plasma will beat entry LCD under "average light" at picture quality.
Mid range LCD puts up a good fight against mid range plasma, but why D550 plasma wins at a R10k budget is because you get 11" bigger than the D6000 LED backlit LCD.
Most people would only ever use 100Hz from the D6000 for gaming and sport because it makes other TV/media look like it's filmed with a hand held camera. So you may be interested in sacrificing 11" if you perceive the 100Hz to give you a better experience than 11", if you heavily rely on gaming.
Remember that Hz = FPS. Do not get trapped in what can be marketing gimmick, remember most movies are shot at a mere 24FPS, and most games handle motion perfectly at 50/60Hz. 100Hz TVs add their own extra information to the source to get it to 100Hz.
PostmanPot
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You won't have a problem on either for gaming. TVs have advanced a lot in that regard. So if you're concerned about motion and gaming, you shouldn't worry. Go for what ever gives you the biggest HD screen.
Entry plasma handles sport better, especially SD. Truth is at the entry level both techs will have their flaws. Neither are exceptionally good at motion handling, but the plasma is better. It's also bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. The only negative is the lack of Full HD, but that doesn't matter when you're sitting 2 - 2.5m+ back.
PostmanPot
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Your TV is 46".
It's not a true 100Hz engine, it uses Samsung's new tech called CMR (Clear Motion Rate) which they say combines frame rate and back-light to improve motion handling. Well I can't comment as I haven't seen it myself, so I can't deny whether it works on technology or placebo, but it's not the 100Hz engine found in >D6000 LCDs and plasmas. If you're using HD PVR, modern LCDs like LAxxD550 or UAxxD5000 handle motion (in HD sport) well enough for it to not be such an issue any more. There are still problems with SD and SD motion handling, and handling of the 1080i interlaced feed from HD PVR (yes, HD PVR is 1080i, not 720p 
).
Necuno
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Thanks for again answering I know I bothered you over at mybb, just wanted a second opinion here too
I see that the UA40D6000 is priced around 8K which isn't that bad either, so for led I'm down to either LA40D550 or UA40D6000. The UA40D6000 is quite nice, I played around with it today at newworld, I still need to decently test it at some shop. Only blur I think I saw was small trees moving around and their tops seems to be not in focus for few seconds, I suppose that's the blur we are talking about.
As for the 100hz and sport, well I could see the difference. Just little concerned about old flicks or flicks in general getting "soap" look, but with the UA40D6000 I see that you could turn the MotionPlus off or custom set. Which should remedy that if really an issue. I suppose I have a bit of a stigma towards plasma *shrugs*, it just feels wrong for some reason. Don't they use more electricity than led/lcd ?
Main use is gaming, then flicks, then series. Sport not so much, I'm not big on that.
I see that the UA40D6000 is priced around 8K which isn't that bad either, so for led I'm down to either LA40D550 or UA40D6000. The UA40D6000 is quite nice, I played around with it today at newworld, I still need to decently test it at some shop. Only blur I think I saw was small trees moving around and their tops seems to be not in focus for few seconds, I suppose that's the blur we are talking about.
As for the 100hz and sport, well I could see the difference. Just little concerned about old flicks or flicks in general getting "soap" look, but with the UA40D6000 I see that you could turn the MotionPlus off or custom set. Which should remedy that if really an issue. I suppose I have a bit of a stigma towards plasma *shrugs*, it just feels wrong for some reason. Don't they use more electricity than led/lcd ?
Main use is gaming, then flicks, then series. Sport not so much, I'm not big on that.
Lupus
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Never said it was an argument was indicating that you are wrong, it's not a debate or an argument, it's simple facts. LCD's are better at whites then plasmas and plasmas are better at blacks and colour gamuts. Also you don't seem to know what ghosting is, ghosting is more related to issues with older LCD's due to refresh rates not being fast enough leaving the image looking as if it's trailing a little bit behind, what plasma's did suffer from was image retention, which isn't ghosting.
I will agree with you Lays is a brand of chip, that's about the only part you had right.
HavocXphere
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Pretty sure Blu-Ray and DSTV are both 24fps sources, so I don't see much of a problem there with a 60hz screen. The benefit there is more likely to come from the motion engine, not the screen refresh rate.
I gather that the refresh rate is absolutely crucial though for 3D because you lose half of it.
I remember there was something weird with the Samsungs on the refresh rate though...they advertize 240hz & the panel only runs at 120 while the 240 refers to the motion engine or something BS like that.
Its weird though...on a PC CRT I notice the refresh even on 85hz, while a 60hz samsung LCD is fine.
DarthSWNT
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An argument doesnt mean that there are emotions involved but rather that two parties disagree about something and present their views as premises.
I have worked with computers and home theatre for long and have seen the progression. And i know what ghosting is.
Plasmas are the older technology and are cheaper but are not as good as lcds at many things but also do have benefits which means that you must choose carefully.
I have not explicitly said either technology is far superior as many people have claimed here.
I have even given reasons for my statements so that others may think through the issues themselves.
I am not here to fight, rather just to discuss.
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I have worked with computers and home theatre for long and have seen the progression. And i know what ghosting is.
Plasmas are the older technology and are cheaper but are not as good as lcds at many things but also do have benefits which means that you must choose carefully.
I have not explicitly said either technology is far superior as many people have claimed here.
I have even given reasons for my statements so that others may think through the issues themselves.
I am not here to fight, rather just to discuss.
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DarthSWNT
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Besides, i never said that lcds produced better dark colours. Plasmas have always had the upper hand on lcds here. LEDs are more localised and dont have the bleed as much but can still have contrast issues in darker images.
The technologies are both competitive and knowing thr issues with either of them is important.
"Ghosting" exists/ed in both lcds and plasma displays in slightly different forms. Both have been worked on and have seen improvements.
LCDs had more of an image lag where plasmas have tempory burn-in type ghosting. Maybe it is just terminology that is conflicting us?
As for smoothness, plasmas are usually smoother with lcds using solutions to try make the 24fps reach higher refresh rates such as showing the same image multiple times or showing the current and proceeding image in the set of 4 images per original image. This is getting better as technology improves but there are issues to the keen eye. Some people can notice the difference easier than others but the technology can be turned off if in some instances it bothers you or if your video source is above 24fps.
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The technologies are both competitive and knowing thr issues with either of them is important.
"Ghosting" exists/ed in both lcds and plasma displays in slightly different forms. Both have been worked on and have seen improvements.
LCDs had more of an image lag where plasmas have tempory burn-in type ghosting. Maybe it is just terminology that is conflicting us?
As for smoothness, plasmas are usually smoother with lcds using solutions to try make the 24fps reach higher refresh rates such as showing the same image multiple times or showing the current and proceeding image in the set of 4 images per original image. This is getting better as technology improves but there are issues to the keen eye. Some people can notice the difference easier than others but the technology can be turned off if in some instances it bothers you or if your video source is above 24fps.
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