Sex and nudity ingame?

What type of sex and or nudity in game are you ok with?

  • Just male

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Just Female

    Votes: 24 34.3%

  • Male or female

    Votes: 22 31.4%

  • No, sex should be something private

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • Not enough prawn action

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • I don't need sex ingame I make my own videos

    Votes: 7 10.0%
  • Total voters
    70
OmegaFenix said:
I disagree, people seem to read way too much into that Hitman Trailer. This wasn't some Grand Theft Auto trailer where the player can attack random women or use hookers and then kill them to get money back. While I agree that religious groups may find it offensive I personally found all the violence in the trailer completely justified the moment I saw the Agency tattoo on the one nun and those spike heal shoes.
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I'm never comfortable with any depiction of violence against women, regardless of the context. I'm not implying you are either.

I really can't see any religious issue here at all.
 
Fivel said:
I'm never comfortable with any depiction of violence against women, regardless of the context. I'm not implying you are either.

I really can't see any religious issue here at all.
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Normally I am but its like Bruce Willis and that chic fighting in Die Hard 4.

MOnk said:
Still on the 'to-play' list. It fills up quickly but doesn't drain as fast. :D
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Lol! I know the feeling.
 
Fivel said:
I'm never comfortable with any depiction of violence against women, regardless of the context.
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Screw that double standard, you can kill a thousand dudes but you can't punch a nun-assassin in the face while she is trying to kill you?
 
MOnk said:
Screw that double standard, you can kill a thousand dudes but you can't punch a nun-assassin in the face while she is trying to kill you?
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Different to watching it than doing it ;) No double standard at all.
 
OmegaFenix said:
Obviously doing it in RL is different but are you talking about doing it in Game as oppose to watching it in a film?
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Still doesn't sit well with me in game - maybe it's sexist etc, but to see a woman's nose been smashed by a guy's fist is frankly disturbing!
 
OmegaFenix said:
So in Mass Effect did you leave all the Female enemies alive?
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Only played ME1 and really can't remember beating a woman.

I'm happy to be called on this double standard, I don't want my entertainment to necessarily mirror reality.
 
Fivel said:
Only played ME1 and really can't remember beating a woman.

I'm happy to be called on this double standard, I don't want my entertainment to necessarily mirror reality.
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So in real life you beat women? :P Joking!

ME1 was already quite good at this as it had alot of female (human & asari mostly) enemies.
 
Fivel said:
Still doesn't sit well with me in game - maybe it's sexist etc, but to see a woman's nose been smashed by a guy's fist is frankly disturbing!
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I hear you, but a response like this makes me wonder:

A) Violence ingame is cool as long as it is against everything but woman.
B) Sex/nudity ingame is not cool, but A is acceptable.
C) Seeing B is then far more damaging than A.


I would really like to understand why this is so.
 
I really don't understand why violence and sex always need to be compared, it's honestly stupid. The two are very different. And violence towards men vs woman is a retarded argument altogether.

When it comes to sex vs violence I don't think either is more harmful to see quite honestly. It just depends on what you prefer looking at, violence or bouncing boobs?

But I'd sooner shoot someone than see full on nudity (Innuendo and teasing don't count). But even then, I'd rather shoot a guy than torture him. It comes down to personal preference.

As to exposing children to the stuff, I think both should be censored to underage children. Period. If it's M rated then 13yr olds should not be playing it etc...

As to violence towards women, if you think it's alright then you need your fucking retarded head read. Any form of violence towards women I believe is more than just wrong. So when it comes to depicting it in-game, I think it should be left out all-together. Too many men beat women, we don't need to show children this.

But that is why we have age restrictions. It's incredibly irresponsible by parents to subject their gullible children to this mature material.

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Duke Dude said:
I really don't understand why violence and sex always need to be compared, it's honestly stupid. The two are very different. And violence towards men vs woman is a retarded argument altogether.

When it comes to sex vs violence I don't think either is more harmful to see quite honestly. It just depends on what you prefer looking at, violence or bouncing boobs?

But I'd sooner shoot someone than see full on nudity (Innuendo and teasing don't count). But even then, I'd rather shoot a guy than torture him. It comes down to personal preference.

As to exposing children to the stuff, I think both should be censored to underage children. Period. If it's M rated then 13yr olds should not be playing it etc...

As to violence towards women, if you think it's alright then you need your fucking retarded head read. Any form of violence towards women I believe is more than just wrong. So when it comes to depicting it in-game, I think it should be left out all-together. Too many men beat women, we don't need to show children this.

But that is why we have age restrictions. It's incredibly irresponsible by parents to subject their gullible children to this mature material.

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Just asking. Is there harm in asking ?
 
Pr⊕phet said:
Just asking. Is there harm in asking ?
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I'm not attacking dude ;).

I was just giving my 2c on the new subject.

As to the last past regarding women, it is something I feel incredibly strong about coming from a household where that was an everyday norm as a child.

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Duke Dude said:
I really don't understand why violence and sex always need to be compared, it's honestly stupid. The two are very different. And violence towards men vs woman is a retarded argument altogether.

When it comes to sex vs violence I don't think either is more harmful to see quite honestly. It just depends on what you prefer looking at, violence or bouncing boobs?

But I'd sooner shoot someone than see full on nudity (Innuendo and teasing don't count). But even then, I'd rather shoot a guy than torture him. It comes down to personal preference.

As to exposing children to the stuff, I think both should be censored to underage children. Period. If it's M rated then 13yr olds should not be playing it etc...

As to violence towards women, if you think it's alright then you need your fucking retarded head read. Any form of violence towards women I believe is more than just wrong. So when it comes to depicting it in-game, I think it should be left out all-together. Too many men beat women, we don't need to show children this.

But that is why we have age restrictions. It's incredibly irresponsible by parents to subject their gullible children to this mature material.

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Why would you rather shoot someone than see full-on nudity? You just prefer killing people than seeing them naked? Yeah, that's totally morally justifiable and a completely healthy frame of mind to have.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Why would you rather shoot someone than see full-on nudity? You just prefer killing people than seeing them naked? Yeah, that's totally morally justifiable and a completely healthy frame of mind to have.
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Dude, we're talking about "video games" not reality.

If you read carefully you would have seen I said that I don't think either is more harmful to see in a VIDEO GAME. It would obviously be a very different story in reality.

And one can't even bring morality into this conversation. If that was indeed the case then violence, nudity, bad language, withcraft, religion, sexism and all that shit should be left out of games. Period.

So don't bring that morality bullshit into this.

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Duke Dude said:
Dude, we're talking about "video games" not reality.

If you read carefully you would have seen I said that I don't think either is more harmful to see in a VIDEO GAME. It would obviously be a very different story in reality.

And one can't even bring morality into this conversation. If that was indeed the case then violence, nudity, bad language, withcraft, religion, sexism and all that shit should be left out of games. Period.

So don't bring that morality bullshit into this.

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Your argument extended to (male) violence against women and the belief that it is wrong. That is a statement about personal morality and ethics.

So, to be perfectly frank, you were the one who brought morality into this particular interaction before I did. Morality is also what this entire thread is about: what is considered preferable, what is considered good or bad behaviour, right or wrong, acceptable and unacceptable.

Regardless, the reason why violence and sex are always compared is because of the "moral offence" taken by a vast majority of conservative people and the hypocrisy of it. Sex and nudity harm no-one in any way. Violence (which would include rape) however, does.

The argument taken in all this is that violent and sexual media can influence people; usually minors. Hence the reason for ratings organisations. The argument is then which is more harmful: violent media or sexual media. Violent media might influence minors to murder, bring guns to school, bully, stab each other etc and sexual media might influence minors to go about humping each other (let's face facts, they do this anyway).

The argument (as I've been repeating ad nauseum) is that violent media is rather tolerated far better by societies in general than sexual media. We permit it on television, in news, in gaming and while there are some vocal groups against it, it is still something well-tolerated. However, bring nudity or sex into it and censorship pops up, people cry out about indignity, shame, the effect it has on children and all sorts of nonsense.

I have, personally, always believed that the affront people take to nudity and sexual media is based on personal insecurities/jealousy/fear: that their spouses might prefer that (usually romanticised) ideal over them, that their kids might have sex with people they don't approve of, that their ideal little worlds will be shattered by a very natural and harmless (when adults act responsibly and parents take the time to educate their kids instead of pretending it doesn't exist) process.

So which would you consider to be worse? Seeing someone naked, or seeing someone killed in media or even in the real world?

Personally, I'd rather see someone naked. And I'd much rather have a society that is comfortable with nudity, sex and all that than a society that has grown complacent about violence.

We have already firmly established that in video games, a choice would be ideal although, frankly, even there it would be a laugh and a half. Who wants to play a game with a story tailored around their sensibilities? Who the hell wants to play a game that never offends, never manages to inspire a bit of controversy, never challenges your perceptions of life? Oh, that's right... conservative bigots who want the world to conform to their personal standards.

As I said before: it should be up to the developers/writers/artists/whatever what they want to put in their games and if people don't want to be exposed to it... Play something else. You know, like in the real world. And, just like in the real world, those are the kinds of people who are far happier to have governments tell them how to live, how to raise their kids, what to do, what should be shown on television, what media should be permitted, etc than they are to be responsible adults.

So excuse me if I can't help but sigh a bit at all this :)
 
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