The Gay DC comic hero is...

[MOnk]

Full derail has occurred.

 

[matt]

I find it amusing how you prefer to think of it as a kind of genetic quirk or mutation (i.e natural) rather than a rational choice made by an individual. Most of the homosexual people I know consider it a choice rather than some pre-determined genetic, or natural, effect.

I don't know hey, I have a few gay friends, and although I haven't asked them whether they feel it's just their nature or if it's a choice, it seems to me that be it's just who they are rather than how they choose to be. As far as I can tell, the only "choice" is whether to fight or hide their nature and so be more socially acceptable, or whether to embrace it and be who they really are. It can't be easy to admit it to yourself in the first place either.

Here's something interesting though, we always think of heterosexuals being uncomfortable around homosexuals, but I know one gay couple, who are great to hang around with, but they never stay very long at big parties because it makes them uncomfortable to be around too many straight people, even when no-one has any issue at all and everyone gets on with them. I guess they just feel too different or something, and I find that quite sad.

 

[Graal]

Biology and sexual orientation.

Pulled straight off wikipedia. I'd advise anyone to give it a read. Educate yourselves a bit.

Here's something interesting though, we always think of heterosexuals being uncomfortable around homosexuals, but I know one gay couple, who are great to hang around with, but they never stay very long at big parties because it makes them uncomfortable to be around too many straight people, even when no-one has any issue at all and everyone gets on with them. I guess they just feel too different or something, and I find that quite sad.

Probably much the same way a single black couple would feel slightly uncomfortable when surrounded by 10 white couples. Even when discrimination doesn't take place, the history of discrimination and social conditioning of the apartheid era is still niggling in the back of the mind.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I find it amusing how you prefer to think of it as a kind of genetic quirk or mutation (i.e natural) rather than a rational choice made by an individual. Most of the homosexual people I know consider it a choice rather than some pre-determined genetic, or natural, effect.

Really? I know bisexuals, gays and, surprising though it may be, I am actually gay and (shockingly) so is my partner.

There was no choice involved.

Also, to say that homosexuality is "unnatural" denies much of the evidence we have of it in the natural world. Whether genetic, epigentic or some sort of biochemical quirk, who knows. But a choice it certainly isn't.

Anyone who claims to "choose" their sexuality, clearly has no idea what they're talking about. You cannot choose your sexual orientation any more than you choose the colour of your skin. There is, of course, a choice in lifestyle and whether or not you're going to kid yourself by trying to be straight but, as I said: you're only kidding yourself.

Regardless, even if homosexuality were to be "unnatural" (as so many homophobes insist) so are many other things in life: religion, medicine, clothing, architecture, science, etc. "Unnatural" doesn't necessarily equate to "bad."

But far more evidence complements the theory of homosexuality being a genetic, epigenetic or "natural" state than choice. Psychologists also emphasise homosexuality being a positive and normal variation in human sexuality.

That homosexuality is a natural occurrence and not a bizarre "fetish" is no longer debatable in this day and age by anything other than, what I so endearingly like to term, nutjobs without a clue what they are talking about.

That, according to you, there are homosexuals who think that they've CHOSEN to be gay, alone astounds me. Shows what a good measure of brainwashing, guilt-tripping and damnation can get people to believe about themselves. Rock on.

Furthermore, I am far more inclined to believe that these people you consider homosexual are instead bisexuals who identify themselves as gay and have decided to conform to that.

 

[Graal]

Also, I bet a good deal of you who claim to feel 'uncomfortable' with gays often fap to lesbians.

 

[MOnk]

Also, I bet a good deal of you who claim to feel 'uncomfortable' with gays often fap to lesbians.

That's a rather poor analogy. You can be attracted to someone who isn't attracted to you.

 

[Graal]

It's not an analogy, it's a statement.

There's also a difference between not being attracted to someone and feeling uncomfortable about them.

 

[MOnk]

Well you implicitly stated that being uncomfortable with male intimacy is the same as being uncomfortable with female, such that if you claim one and not the other then you are a hypocrit. I'm saying that's a false equivalence.

 

[Strifehart]

It's not an analogy, it's a statement.

There's also a difference between not being attracted to someone and feeling uncomfortable about them.

Yah, but it gets weird when you're uncomfortably attracted to someone.

On a serious note though, I have a very diverse social group so I find it hard to understand why anyone would feel uncomfortable around anyone else. Any discomfort I have ever had with someone has never had anything to do with their sexual orientation, but more their personality.

 

[MOnk]

On a serious note though, I have a very diverse social group so I find it hard to understand why anyone would feel uncomfortable around anyone else. Any discomfort I have ever had with someone never has never had anything to do with their sexual orientation, but more their personality.

Yeah, we seem to be operating on the purely hypothetical here since I don't think anyone in this thread has stated any sort of discomfort.

 

[matt]

Anyway, back to the point of the thread, whether you like Green Lantern, or even comic books or not, I think it's a good thing to bring gay people into popular culture. Maybe because kids of today will be reading about gay Green Lantern, and XMen, etc, they won't be all weird about it when they grow up like most of my generation is, because they would have been exposed to it growing up, and from a super hero nogal.

 

[Graal]

Well you implicitly stated that being uncomfortable with male intimacy is the same as being uncomfortable with female, such that if you claim one and not the other then you are a hypocrit. I'm saying that's a false equivalence.

And you're missing the entire point of my statement, because being comfortable with something is not the same as being attracted to something.

There is quite honestly no reason to be placed at discomfort with the sexuality of a fictional character, much less a real person. You don't have to be attracted to someone to be comfortable around them.

I'm not attracted to big, muscular guys. Am I uncomfortable with them? No. Will I read a comic book with one as its main character? Why not?

Yeah, we seem to be operating on the purely hypothetical here since I don't think anyone in this thread has stated any sort of discomfort.

DCBloodhound himself said he won't read/watch it if the protagonist's romance isn't explored/involved.

As long as romance isn't involved or is kept to a minimum,i'll prob watch it.

I don't see any other reason for that other than being uncomfortable with the main character being gay. So if the main character kisses his love interest, he won't watch it despite it possibly being an amazing comic? So if you don't like a romance option, you simply forego watching the entire thing?

The only thing I took from his comment is that it is a stupidly homophobic comment dressed up in nice words. Basically, it's okay to be gay, as long as it's hidden.

 

[DCWarhound]

And you're missing the entire point of my statement, because being comfortable with something is not the same as being attracted to something.

There is quite honestly no reason to be placed at discomfort with the sexuality of a fictional character, much less a real person. You don't have to be attracted to someone to be comfortable around them.

I'm not attracted to big, muscular guys. Am I uncomfortable with them? No. Will I read a comic book with one as its main character? Why not?



DCBloodhound himself said he won't read/watch it if the protagonist's romance isn't explored/involved.



I don't see any other reason for that other than being uncomfortable with the main character being gay. So if the main character kisses his love interest, he won't watch it despite it possibly being an amazing comic? So if you don't like a romance option, you simply forego watching the entire thing?

The only thing I took from his comment is that it is a stupidly homophobic comment dressed up in nice words. Basically, it's okay to be gay, as long as it's hidden.

I'll eat pizza as long as it doesn't have any vegetables toppings or at least if they are kept to a minimal.

Definition of homophobia:

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.[1][2][3] In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."[4]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of non-heterosexual orientations.[1][2] According to the 2010 Hate Crimes Statistics released by the FBI National Press Office, 19.3 percent of Hate Crimes across the United States "were motivated by a sexual orientation bias."[5] Moreover, in a Southern Poverty Law Center 2010 Intelligence Report extrapolating data from fourteen years (1995-2008), which had complete data available at the time, of the FBI's national hate crime statistics found that LGBT people were " far more likely than any other minority group in the United States to be victimized by violent hate crime."[6]

Forms of homophobia vary on where they come from and where they are directed. Institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia)[7] comes from a culture, whereas internalized homophobia – a form of homophobia experienced by a person who has same-sex attractions, regardless how they identify, focusses on the internal regardless where the feelings and attitudes came from. Other related forms of homophobia are lesbophobia[8] – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, and biphobia directed at bisexual people. Transphobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards transsexualism and transsexual or transgender people, based on the expression of their internal gender identity . Many trans people also experience homophobia from people who associate their gender identity with homosexuality.

Taken from Wikipedia.

If i get offered a choice between chocolate,strawberry or bubblegum milkshakes and i choose chocolate over strawberry and bubblegum,what would i be?

A bubblegumphobe/strawberryphobe?