Jeremy
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Stripper upset at Hitman: Absolution
Get some insight into the latest Hitman from the mind of an exotic dancer
Get some insight into the latest Hitman from the mind of an exotic dancer
Stripper chimes in on Hitman: Absolution's Saints
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LOL - that's my favourite part right there. It's like saying "Bin Laden was a really nice guy. The fact that he killed thousands of innocent people is only what he did for a living, it's not his identity".
I'm terribly sorry - but if you CHOOSE to become a stripper, being viewed as an object and nothing more is part of the package. So it's really no big deal when it's done in a video game of all things.
Someone, please, give this bitch a dollar.
MOnk
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I'm confused, if it were male assassins, it would be 100% OK for Agent 47 to kill them but because they are women, now all of a sudden it's sexist and glorifying violence against women. Is it just because they are wearing stripper outfits? If they had been wearing KFC employee outfits would that have been OK, or is that instigating violence against retail employees?
Ignoring the fact that she is directly relating everything in the game to this trailer, I really don't see where they portry these women as being subhuman. They are just people sent to kill this guy and he kills them. I think she is just projecting her own feelings and nothing more.
Ignoring the fact that she is directly relating everything in the game to this trailer, I really don't see where they portry these women as being subhuman. They are just people sent to kill this guy and he kills them. I think she is just projecting her own feelings and nothing more.
Azimuth
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You're seriously equating stripping with mass murder?
Strippers are still human beings.
What an absolutely awful thing to say. What exactly makes her a "bitch"? It's kind of ironic, isn't it, that you say being objectified is "part of the package", then go ahead and objectify her. Which comes first, really?
I don't really have a serious problem with the strippers in the game, but you're making some very judgmental comments about a real person here.
Shamrock
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Can you elaborate?
Before anyone takes that too seriously I am totally joking and I think Neo's comment did nothing but make the stripper's prospect a seem a little smarter.
This isn't a sexism issue. Let's look at it this way:
1. Guys get killed in video games all the time
2. When black zombies were put into that one video game, two people freaked out, but made it sound like 'everyone' was up in arms about it. This is known as sensationalism. PETA did something like this with Pokemon, solely because it makes noise.
3. One girl who happens to be a stripper has a view on Hitman: Absolution. Since when do we care? Opinions are like nipples. Everybody has one.
I don't see the need to defend the game, or make a big deal of this. Games have been controversial since Star Wars geeks started playing Dungeons and Dragons in their basement and people thought it was a Satanic ritual.
One girl finds it offensive. Got ya.
Overkill69
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wahahahaha!
Let's face it, the "violent stripper" is a stereotype in both movies and games.
Those of you who have played the other Hitman games will remember Agent 47 has always had a "soft spot" for prostitutes and strippers.
So let's not read too much into "Stripper Assassins" in this franchise.
If you want to go after games that objectify women and/or portray them as subhumans... there are MANY other titles that are far worse.
1) Duke Nukem Forever (everything about the game is offensive to anyone with breasts)
2) Duke Nukem 3D (Strippers... that you can pay and/or kill)
3) GTA San Andreas (prozzies... that you can pay and/or kill)
5) Prince of Persia (Those assassins are like dominatrices... very disturbing/arousing when they get killed)
That's just off the top of my head.
I find the article very amusing. Since it's exactly ONE DAY after the release of Hitman Absolution and a "Stripper" was "shown" the nuns/assassins/strippers... then ASKED to comment.
Isn't that a little contrived?
I would also argue that "Athena" has a point... yet it is all out of context. Reading too much into the characters of a computer game is kinda like arguing with a forum troll.
Even if you make sense... you still lose.
as an aside... Strippers have always been very pro "women's equality" as a sideline to the usual backlash they receive for the way in which they make their living.Strippers and strip clubs always catch flak from conservative and religious groups.
Some might argue that this could be as the strippers seeking justification to themselves for their profession as a whole.
be that as it may...
I would politely suggest not to take games like this too seriously... especially since it's the 5th installment of a game series that has always had strippers and prostitutes featured as both protagonists as well as antagonists as a by product of it being set in the murky underworld of hitmen (featured in the title strangely enough), mafia dons, sexual deviants, secret organizations and cloned super-assassins.
Why cant we all just get along?
Let's face it, the "violent stripper" is a stereotype in both movies and games.
Those of you who have played the other Hitman games will remember Agent 47 has always had a "soft spot" for prostitutes and strippers.
So let's not read too much into "Stripper Assassins" in this franchise.
If you want to go after games that objectify women and/or portray them as subhumans... there are MANY other titles that are far worse.
1) Duke Nukem Forever (everything about the game is offensive to anyone with breasts)
2) Duke Nukem 3D (Strippers... that you can pay and/or kill)
3) GTA San Andreas (prozzies... that you can pay and/or kill)
5) Prince of Persia (Those assassins are like dominatrices... very disturbing/arousing when they get killed)
That's just off the top of my head.
I find the article very amusing. Since it's exactly ONE DAY after the release of Hitman Absolution and a "Stripper" was "shown" the nuns/assassins/strippers... then ASKED to comment.
Isn't that a little contrived?
I would also argue that "Athena" has a point... yet it is all out of context. Reading too much into the characters of a computer game is kinda like arguing with a forum troll.
Even if you make sense... you still lose.
as an aside... Strippers have always been very pro "women's equality" as a sideline to the usual backlash they receive for the way in which they make their living.Strippers and strip clubs always catch flak from conservative and religious groups.
Some might argue that this could be as the strippers seeking justification to themselves for their profession as a whole.
be that as it may...
I would politely suggest not to take games like this too seriously... especially since it's the 5th installment of a game series that has always had strippers and prostitutes featured as both protagonists as well as antagonists as a by product of it being set in the murky underworld of hitmen (featured in the title strangely enough), mafia dons, sexual deviants, secret organizations and cloned super-assassins.
Why cant we all just get along?
JP'S
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Why didn't they complain about blood money? Its not the first time you kill female assassin's. The one mission A female assassin who is basically in stripper uniform is sent to kill you. What is the difference then? Oh wait a stripper didn't complain about her heels... Moving on... 
Ike_009
Assassin of Accountants
If the world had to can games every time someone got offended then there wouldn't be a gaming industry.
End of the day, dev's have a creative license to make the best game possible, not a politically correct game. I think if they tried to be politically correct, the game would be about picking flowers in holland and even then someone would still B!tch about the violence.
Take a look outside, we have bigger real life issues that need attention before we attack fictional stories.
End of the day, dev's have a creative license to make the best game possible, not a politically correct game. I think if they tried to be politically correct, the game would be about picking flowers in holland and even then someone would still B!tch about the violence.
Take a look outside, we have bigger real life issues that need attention before we attack fictional stories.
Edelweiss
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I have to agree with her...
When I went to a stripjoint for a few times you can't help but think this way. It does advocate violence towards woman and I can see the angle this woman is coming from. Heck, I love Hitman more than the next guy but killing of women is simply unnecessary and adds very little to the plot. Guys, stop being shallow pricks you're basically all butthurt because HURR DURR HOE CN U DISS HITMANZZ HURR!!!!11
Ike_009
Assassin of Accountants
So the killing of women is Bad, killing of men is good?
My view
Point 1
Hitman has to kill somebody so let's be fair and kill both men and women.
Point 2
Someone is always gonna find something wrong with a game which leaves the DEV's with a hard job in writing any plot.
Point 3
Shouldn't we be focussing on the real violence against women instead the violence inside (what everyone knows is a violent game) a video game
Also aren't these woman hunting assassins therefore making them a clean up crew to rid the world of the evil murderers looking for their next pay check, the original instigators of violence and not these nuns.
panthis
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Firstly, im not counting Neo's post into this reply as reading it didnt sit well with me, even tho in some regard, he has a point. Not necessarily the way he interpreted it, but the principle behind it.
So we're "shallow pricks" now? May i ask for an explanation as to why? Other than your inherent lack of creating a decent argument with: "HURR DURR HOE CN U DISS HITMANZZ HURR!!!!11"
The point of most of our arguments arent the fact that someone has a problem with the game, its a fact that someone has a problem because a stereotype is portrayed in the game, basically pertaining to the same stereotypical role they fill in real life, and that stereotype is being killed/murdered, thus inspiring violence towards woman as a whole? Yet a male stereotype is used in just about every violent game ever created and no one gives a sh!t... unless we take racial implications into consideration (which i think is idiotic)?
What happened to that whole equality deal? Being equal doesn't mean you get just the good sh!t only, you get all the horrible stuff as well... because, you know, that's what being equal is.
If a game seriously inspires you to be violent towards any woman, you deserve to be strapped to a chair and have a certain set of chemicals being pumped into you.
I like to think that my moral compass works very well and my mother taught me that under NO circumstances should you hit a woman. This is a basic rule i have incorporated into my life and always will, but in the case where a game is involved, its a bit of a grey area, not just because you are potentially harming women, but in some games you are committing mass murder, and in some cases even genocide of a species, but it also comes down to the fact that ITS NOT REAL. However, that doesnt make it ok.
So violence against woman is a problem, but mass murder, genocide and other such atrocities portrayed in acts of fiction arent as bad?
So going back to your "argument" edel, IMO the real "butthurt" person in this is this Athena character... not us
Azimuth
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I think the real issue here - and it's one definitely worth thinking about - is that violence against women in games is so often accompanied by sexually provocative imagery. Male enemies in games are typically generic, copy-pasted soldiers. Female enemies (and female characters in general) are, more often than not, hyper-sexualised. It is different.
iGame.Admin
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I think we are all overlooking the obvious thing here, someone had to take a good long LOOK at people to find some sensationalist view on why the game is bad and will cause nothing but pain and suffering for generations to come due to it inherently inspiring real life violence
What does a stripper have to do with The Saints as depicted in the Trailer?
Are the ladies in the trailer assumed to be strippers because they strip off their nun disguises? or because one of them is wearing a pair of white boots that are commonly referred to as "Stripper Heels" ?
I fully support that everyone is entitled to their views and I also understand that there may be some individuals that are mentally unstable and see game and movie content as inspiration to do bad things to good people, but this minority cannot dictate what the majority of gamers experience in terms of content.
As far as strippers go, I don't understand how anyone can see another person as an object based solely on their appearance or behavior.
Anyone who knows me will attest that I have very little compassion for my fellow man, some may say that the Wizard took the heart he gave me back and replaced it with nothing, but even I do not see strippers as some form of subhuman object
Work is work, stripping qualifies as work, some might not like that concept, but next time she's giving you a lap dance, try and remember that she is a regular person who goes home, feeds the cat and has to pay bills, just like the rest of us
On a side note, anyone know where the girls in that video bought those Vinyl suits, I've been looking for one for ages
EDIT:
Azimuth is right though, Female characters are normally depicted as the male fantasy of woman in whichever setting is appropriate for the Genre, this is something that designers will have to think about, although this is the age old method of depicting women it has to at some stage start being influenced by reality
No self respecting assassin will want to go into a potentially lethal situation wearing what is essentially lingerie, nerds behind their desks might tell themselves that this is realistic, but sadly, its not
What does a stripper have to do with The Saints as depicted in the Trailer?
Are the ladies in the trailer assumed to be strippers because they strip off their nun disguises? or because one of them is wearing a pair of white boots that are commonly referred to as "Stripper Heels" ?
I fully support that everyone is entitled to their views and I also understand that there may be some individuals that are mentally unstable and see game and movie content as inspiration to do bad things to good people, but this minority cannot dictate what the majority of gamers experience in terms of content.
As far as strippers go, I don't understand how anyone can see another person as an object based solely on their appearance or behavior.
Anyone who knows me will attest that I have very little compassion for my fellow man, some may say that the Wizard took the heart he gave me back and replaced it with nothing, but even I do not see strippers as some form of subhuman object
Work is work, stripping qualifies as work, some might not like that concept, but next time she's giving you a lap dance, try and remember that she is a regular person who goes home, feeds the cat and has to pay bills, just like the rest of us
On a side note, anyone know where the girls in that video bought those Vinyl suits, I've been looking for one for ages
EDIT:
Azimuth is right though, Female characters are normally depicted as the male fantasy of woman in whichever setting is appropriate for the Genre, this is something that designers will have to think about, although this is the age old method of depicting women it has to at some stage start being influenced by reality
No self respecting assassin will want to go into a potentially lethal situation wearing what is essentially lingerie, nerds behind their desks might tell themselves that this is realistic, but sadly, its not
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panthis
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@Azi
I know woman are hyper sexualised in games, and we all know the reason for this. The developers are catering aspects of their games to their target market. Men, or males in general. Its unfortunate i know, and i'd love for it to change but i dont control the industry.
But im a tad confused now. is the argument the fact that there is violence towards woman and womanly stereotypes in video games, or the fact that violence against woman is attributed to them being hyper sexualised? I may be wrong, but i dont remember reading that "Athena" had a problem with them being hyper sexualised? more so the fact that they were portrayed as strippers being murdered.
@ Dat_Admin
Dude...
I know woman are hyper sexualised in games, and we all know the reason for this. The developers are catering aspects of their games to their target market. Men, or males in general. Its unfortunate i know, and i'd love for it to change but i dont control the industry.
But im a tad confused now. is the argument the fact that there is violence towards woman and womanly stereotypes in video games, or the fact that violence against woman is attributed to them being hyper sexualised? I may be wrong, but i dont remember reading that "Athena" had a problem with them being hyper sexualised? more so the fact that they were portrayed as strippers being murdered.
@ Dat_Admin
On a side note, anyone know where the girls in that video bought those Vinyl suits, I've been looking for one for ages
Dude...
Ike_009
Assassin of Accountants
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woman have been fighting for the same rights as men for years.. Now they get promoted to "villian level " and now that is a problem 2 ?
Resident evl 1 - 4 has been shooting zombies for years . Asians Americans Englishmen north Americans south Americans NO problem ... But they take it to Africa and shoot local villagers that happen to be black and now its racist?
People need to lighten the F up.
Should Cabella stop making hunting games because my GF loves animals? I like hunting.. makes good biltong but my GF will off me if i had to bring a Cabella game into our house.
So What do we do.. WE DON'T PLAY IT WE DON'T BUY IT ? So she has nothing to complain about.. The people that like it can play it. So we just skipped out. So if you don't like the games that sexualize woman then don't play them to be honest?
There is nothing better looking than a woman wearing almost nothing. Then when they made a butch girl in Borderlands 2 that is build like your average male ( 120KGs plus fat and sure as hell not good looking ) This was a problem too.
Let her have her opinion. I for one wont enjoy punching these girls . I don't like that at all but its part of the game and ill play it in that context. I didnt go out of my way as Agent 47 to kill these woman.. They came after me.. We are not men we are not woman we are Assasins doing what we are getting paid for. Let the best one win ?
Resident evl 1 - 4 has been shooting zombies for years . Asians Americans Englishmen north Americans south Americans NO problem ... But they take it to Africa and shoot local villagers that happen to be black and now its racist?
People need to lighten the F up.
Should Cabella stop making hunting games because my GF loves animals? I like hunting.. makes good biltong but my GF will off me if i had to bring a Cabella game into our house.
So What do we do.. WE DON'T PLAY IT WE DON'T BUY IT ? So she has nothing to complain about.. The people that like it can play it. So we just skipped out. So if you don't like the games that sexualize woman then don't play them to be honest?
There is nothing better looking than a woman wearing almost nothing. Then when they made a butch girl in Borderlands 2 that is build like your average male ( 120KGs plus fat and sure as hell not good looking ) This was a problem too.
Let her have her opinion. I for one wont enjoy punching these girls . I don't like that at all but its part of the game and ill play it in that context. I didnt go out of my way as Agent 47 to kill these woman.. They came after me.. We are not men we are not woman we are Assasins doing what we are getting paid for. Let the best one win ?