Sorry state of soccer in SA

James

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South Africa hope for glory when the Africa Cup of Nations kicks off Saturday, but a match-fixing scandal, a poor standard of domestic football and mismanagement cast shadows over the hosts.

Bafana Bafana (The Boys) won the tournament as hosts in 1996, but many supporters doubt whether they can repeat the feat, even with home advantage and tens of thousands of supporters blowing very noisy vuvuzelas (plastic horns).

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With the amount of players we have in South Africa it's unimaginable how it can be that Bafana Bafana is so bad.
 
No team work and they think a coach is the reason they lose. Maybe the players in the current team are just really bad.

I say bring in a brand new team
 
They need a team that understands what team, and teamwork is, and a decent amount of talent and no egotism.
 
Problem with SA football is the football association and our youth development. We need to start developing properly from the youth up. Need to have youth leagues from U12 to U21. Need better coaching as well.

Ivory Coast has a great youth system. Germany are probably one of the best models to follow, they restructured their entire system. Spain as well took them decades to build one of the greatest teams in history.

We keep wanting immediate success and that's why change coaches too much. We need to forget about 2014 and even 2016. Build a new structure and invest in youth system.

That's how we become stronger.
 
I honestly think the system in which the national team is selected is essentially flawed. From what I can tell, the top players in certain top teams are selected based on their performances in their individual teams. To a degree that makes sense, but I feel that this process should only be used to create a shortlist (not only from the top tier teams, seriously, look at our squad:rolleyes:) of possible national squad players (maybe 30 - 40 hopefuls), from there onward, trials should be held to see how different players play together in different combinations, formations, etc. This would produce a better national squad IMHO.

EDIT: As Monkey_D_Kool mentioned, a proper youth structure would also be greatly instrumental to a successful national squad.
 
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We also need to stop going through Coaches like Benni goes through burgers.
Watching the game on Saturday we just simply dont know how to finish. Passing around is ok but when it comes to banging it in the net we fall short. The guys seem to be scared to take a shot on goal in-case they miss. Cant even tell how many times we all screemed just shoot the frikken ball.
 
We also lack quality throughout the team especially strikers. We don't have quality finishers (mphela, parker are decent but not great). These type of players need to be grown from young age and developed properly. Attitudes of players also needs to change and our football association needs to change their attitude. Even PSL clubs need to change and develop. Everyone is only interested in immediate success and how much money they can make. Success and especially continued success takes time.
 
Even with being in their home country. The thousands of SA supporters always backing the team. It always come down to them as individuals. Do they have the skill to pull it off again? Is morale high enough? Getting enough training and exercising?

The above mentioned is but a small part of what will make our team a success.

So many factors play a role in this.
 
South Africa's decline apparent as African Cup of Nations begins

Posted: Mon January 21, 2013 11:50AM; Updated: Mon January 21, 2013 1:02PM

Jonathan Wilson


JOHANNESBURG -- On June 24, 1995, South Africa won the rugby World Cup, a triumph detailed by the film Invictus. That was a remarkable triumph, and there is no decrying the symbolism of Nelson Mandela, wearing a Springboks shirt, delivering the Webb Ellis Cup to Francois Pienaar, black president and white captain united in achievement. This was the glorious moment at which the dream of the rainbow nation seemed achievable.

But rugby was -- and remains -- predominantly a white sport. Although black fans did rally behind the rugby side, the team that won the final featured 14 white players and just one outlier, Chester Williams. Far less well-known on a global stage, but arguably more significant, was what happened seven months later.

On Feb. 3, 1996, Mandela again donned a national team shirt and again handed over a trophy to a white captain of South Africa. This time it was the football team, and, while it was a continental title rather than a world title that South Africa won, it arguably had a greater impact. This, after all, was in the majority sport, and the team was truly diverse.

"What happened in '95 was fantastic for the country, but us winning in '96 was the coming together," said Eric Tinkler, a midfielder on the 1996 African Cup of Nations winners.

"We feel we are, by far, the national sport, in terms of numbers and support base," said Neil Tovey, the captain of that team. "In terms of what we achieved, that moment was important in the history of the country. It was two years after we became a multiracial country, and we knew we had a role to play in uniting the country, that sporting achievement could do that. As a young democratic country [the football team] was far more representative [than the rugby team]. That is what proves that it is the national sport. You can add up all the numbers of participants and fans of the other sports put together, and they still wouldn't match football."

The way football had developed made it paradoxically both a bellwether of change yet more isolated than rugby.

"Football was in complete isolation," Tinkler said. "The Springboks were still known across the world. You still had tours to South Africa -- the Barbarians coming out here -- so they were still famous. But nobody knew the talent we possessed in South Africa in football."

And football had been mixed since 1978 when the multiracial league was formed -- even if players from the same team were forced to use separate hotels. The fan base was overwhelmingly black, but what happened in 1996 began to change that, just as 1995 had brought black support to rugby.

"It brought whites to the game of football," Tovey said. "Otherwise they didn't know anything about the game. They took an interest in the game. We had a lot of white players, talented players, in the junior ranks. There were no problems with color in the leagues. There was no problem like there was in rugby, where they had trouble getting black players into their environment."

As with all utopian dreams, the ideal of the rainbow nation has foundered. More surprisingly, South Africa, despite all its resources, has not gone on to dominate football on the continent as it seemed it would.

"I think people thought after '96 it would just be a conveyor belt, that they didn't have to do much about it, but now they realize," Tovey said. "We have all the talent in the world until the age of 12, but at the next stage we lose track, and that is purely because of professionalism in some of the setups. But if we put high performance [coaches and players] into each province and each age group, we could still do it."

Both he and Tinkler speak with some frustration of how the platform they built has not been developed. South Africa reached the African final again in 1998, losing to Egypt, since when there has been a steady decline, culminating in a failure to qualify for the last two tournaments.

"We should have been at least in the semis, the knockout stages," Tovey said. "We had set a platform for that natural triumph with the tournament. We had the infrastructure. The PSL, the [Premer Soccer] league, gives the chance for great achievement. Financially and administratively, it is one of the top 10 in the world. They have done a wonderful job but that is only an arm of SAFA [South African Football Association]."

South Africa might not have even qualified for this tournament had it not done so automatically as hosts, having replaced Libya because of the conflict there. If there is no other legacy of the World Cup, at least the facilities left over mean South Africa can host a tournament with little preparation time. The problem is creating a spectacle to grace those facilities.

"Football has evolved," Tinkler said. "When we grew up, a lot of the kids played on the streets. Lifestyle has changed, and you can't do that any more, so a lot of things we did naturally on the street need to be coached at an academy. It's having the people knowledgeable to do those things. That has not happened. We said at a SAFA symposium that there are 385 players to one qualified coach. In Spain and Germany it is 16 and 18 to one. There is still a lack of leaders here and that is something that shows."

"Facilities are not our problem," said Tovey, "and they never were: Great hotels, great infrastructure, all of it. That is why we should not be where we are, because of what we have got in this country. We should be far ahead of the rest of Africa and much of the world."
That South Africa is not far ahead was painfully apparent in an abject 0-0 draw against Cape Verde in the opening game of the Cup of Nations on Saturday. In the warm-up games, South Africa had looked tidy through midfield but short of attacking punch; on Saturday it just looked hopeless, particularly in the first half, barely able to string three passes together. The coach, Gordon Igesund, blamed nerves, while the atmosphere quickly descended into something familiar form England games: expectant yet cynical.

South Africa fans remember 1996 and see no reason their team can't reach those heights again, but repeated failure has made them disinclined to be forgiving, unable quite to believe things will work themselves out. A lack of coaches may be the major practical problem, but there is also the psychological aspect of yearning for past glories.


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130121/south-africa-cup-of-nations/#ixzz2Ij0VBhYW
 
The other day my brother was saying that the problem with Soccer in SA is the play style. There isn't proper teamwork, it's all about trying for the best ball tricks to impress.
 
Yeah agreed. Furman made a huge difference, brings that bit of control to the midfield which we lack when he's not playing. We need more players like that in midfield, intelligent, good passers of the ball, reads game decent enough. They're not spectacular but they're key to how team plays and allow the more flamboyant players to express themselves.
 
I heard the Mark Fish interview on the radio the other day and it is sad to see how bad the state of soccer is currently and all the bad stories flying around about the players.
 
Times journalist Rory Smith was over here for a bit for few AFCON games and he was asked about his opinion on SA football since the World Cup when he was last here:

He says South Africa changing in a positive way, More signs of wealth in townships and says many South Africans who criticise Afcon do so unwillingly.

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Another great article with Sundowns youth technical director (former Barca coach).

Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Exporting the Barca Method

Posted by Paul Grech at 10:30 AM

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Yeah no doubt. Khune is really good. Think if he had better ambition he could be playing for a good club in Spain, Italy or Germany. Least we qualified for the quarter finals.
 
Yeah no doubt. Khune is really good. Think if he had better ambition he could be playing for a good club in Spain, Italy or Germany. Least we qualified for the quarter finals.

Almost had a heart attack with some of those saves... It was just insane. On one occasion, he went full defender on a striker and left the 18 yard area completely:eek:
 
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