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InSanity said:
Thats bad laning though as visage is also a support/Tank
if i could choose i would've put enchantress bush Gyro solo safe lane(with enchantress ganks) visage mid, jakiro and void hard lane(jakiro and visage could be swapped) you could also trilane and bring the enchantress top
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Much agreement here.
But all things considered that visage had some serious kill opportunities that he simply missed out on.
While the lanes weren't ideal he should have made the best of it.

Meh, we play we learn.
 
St3baS said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one... Void sucks so much in the hard lane.

the lanes should have been Gyro mid, Void & jakiro safe lane, ench jungle with ganks for void and jakiro and visage on the hard lane.
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I dunno man, Gyro could've hella farmed in a safe lane. There is nothing in their line up that would have shut him down very hard.
 
St3baS said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one... Void sucks so much in the hard lane.

the lanes should have been Gyro mid, Void & jakiro safe lane, ench jungle with ganks for void and jakiro and visage on the hard lane.
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You see i hate giving any solo a hard lane i would much rather give void hard lane with jakiro who can protect him then give a visage a solo lane top if he gets an aggresive lane he is fscked , with a jakiro top lane void will eb able to farm his heart out he has an escape if need be so I stick to my first setup
 
InSanity said:
You see i hate giving any solo a hard lane i would much rather give void hard lane with jakiro who can protect him then give a visage a solo lane top if he gets an aggresive lane he is fscked , with a jakiro top lane void will eb able to farm his heart out he has an escape if need be so I stick to my first setup
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i correct this statement there are a few hard lane solo's i dont mind Kotl,ds etc
 
GlacieredPyro said:
I dunno man, Gyro could've hella farmed in a safe lane. There is nothing in their line up that would have shut him down very hard.
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In this line up the only place for void is safe lane. He cant mid and he cant hard lane at all... Void will out carry gyro easily because of chronosphere.
Gyro mid is very strong and an early level 6 gank will ensure a kill.


InSanity said:
i correct this statement there are a few hard lane solo's i dont mind Kotl,ds etc
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Visage is very good in the hard lane - all he needs is experience to get his gravekeepers cloak up for the extra armor making him unkillable early - then once he has his familiars up he can last hit / gank or ask for tps to kill his lane. Hard lane should only be solo'd or aggressive trilaned. So the only options you have in this line up are what I've stated before OR ( gyro visage jakiro hard lane, ench mid and void safe lane )

Never ever ever put your hard carry on the hard lane because he will die so many times if they've just got a lane ward to see his movements. If he tries to go for a last hit then both your jakiro and void will be in massive danger from a gank meaning you will get 0 farm especially if the enemy team is pulling the neutral camp.
 
St3baS said:
In this line up the only place for void is safe lane. He cant mid and he cant hard lane at all... Void will out carry gyro easily because of chronosphere.
Gyro mid is very strong and an early level 6 gank will ensure a kill.




Visage is very good in the hard lane - all he needs is experience to get his gravekeepers cloak up for the extra armor making him unkillable early - then once he has his familiars up he can last hit / gank or ask for tps to kill his lane. Hard lane should only be solo'd or aggressive trilaned. So the only options you have in this line up are what I've stated before OR ( gyro visage jakiro hard lane, ench mid and void safe lane )

Never ever ever put your hard carry on the hard lane because he will die so many times if they've just got a lane ward to see his movements. If he tries to go for a last hit then both your jakiro and void will be in massive danger from a gank meaning you will get 0 farm especially if the enemy team is pulling the neutral camp.
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I still disagree visage will get face raped solo hard lane(especially f there is 1 stun in the lane) how will they be in danger of a massive gank when you have ice path and void has jump(should be first spell picked) it will eb easy farming for void

the 2 bolded parts i disagree with gyro will out carry a void any day and putting a visage solo hard lane he wont get any exp to level anything especially if there is a aggressive lane i have explained how easy it is to get a void/jakiro out of a gank please explain how you would do the same with visage
 
St3baS said:
In this line up the only place for void is safe lane. He cant mid and he cant hard lane at all... Void will out carry gyro easily because of chronosphere.
Gyro mid is very strong and an early level 6 gank will ensure a kill.




Visage is very good in the hard lane - all he needs is experience to get his gravekeepers cloak up for the extra armor making him unkillable early - then once he has his familiars up he can last hit / gank or ask for tps to kill his lane. Hard lane should only be solo'd or aggressive trilaned. So the only options you have in this line up are what I've stated before OR ( gyro visage jakiro hard lane, ench mid and void safe lane )

Never ever ever put your hard carry on the hard lane because he will die so many times if they've just got a lane ward to see his movements. If he tries to go for a last hit then both your jakiro and void will be in massive danger from a gank meaning you will get 0 farm especially if the enemy team is pulling the neutral camp.
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Visage is early - mid game ganker/roamer, I don't know why you would sacrifice dps and longer slow for cloak, which is useless early game ( unless you are being heavily harassed or have teamfights starting really early ) . He's most effective when roaming lake ( de-ward first of course ) and ganking. Dunno, that's how I always play him.

InSanity said:
I still disagree visage will get face raped solo hard lane(especially f there is 1 stun in the lane) how will they be in danger of a massive gank when you have ice path and void has jump(should be first spell picked) it will eb easy farming for void

the 2 bolded parts i disagree with gyro will out carry a void any day and putting a visage solo hard lane he wont get any exp to level anything especially if there is a aggressive lane i have explained how easy it is to get a void/jakiro out of a gank please explain how you would do the same with visage
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visage will get face raped solo hard lane
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No :P . You are forgetting about W and E passive, also his 600 range. And towerhug for extra safety.

gyro will out carry a void any day
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You are crazy son, Void is one of the hardest carries in the game, if not the hardest ( probably on par with medusa/spectre) :) . Gyro is semi-carry.
 
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Lyt said:
Visage is early - mid game ganker/roamer, I don't know why you would sacrifice dps and longer slow for cloak, which is useless early game ( unless you are being heavily harassed or have teamfights starting really early ) . He's most effective when roaming lake ( de-ward first of course ) and ganking. Dunno, that's how I always play him.
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THat is the correct way to play him thats why i would suggest him mid in that setup
 
Lyt said:
Visage is early - mid game ganker/roamer, I don't know why you would sacrifice dps and longer slow for cloak, which is useless early game ( unless you are being heavily harassed or have teamfights starting really early ) . He's most effective when roaming lake ( de-ward first of course ) and ganking. Dunno, that's how I always play him.
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Of course this is the ideal setup for Visage and I allllllways max soul assumption over cloak but I'm talking about if you're having a crap time in the hardlane. As with everything in dota its situational but by the time the laning phase is finishing you will have enough experience to deal massive damage in team fights and still survive... Making the hero fulfill its role entirely.

The point is , I would not run visage mid with void+jakiro on the hardlane under any circumstance. To me if you do that - you're beating yourself.
 
St3baS said:
The point is , I would not run visage mid with void+jakiro on the hardlane under any circumstance. To me if you do that - you're beating yourself.
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Yeah, it's wrong to put any hard carry in suicide - with void it's safe lane + jungle after MoM. If you have a farmed hard-carry it's gg for the other team.

The only thing I hate with Visage is the kill stealing. Last time I played him, was 23-7, with our hard carry only having 11 kills :( .
 
Awesome late night game last night with R4C3 and Saint. I feel bad for the other team. they never stood a chance! Not with Saint's insane Jakiro ult and Ice Path
 
Weeman360 said:
Awesome late night game last night with R4C3 and Saint. I feel bad for the other team. they never stood a chance! Not with Saint's insane Jakiro ult and Ice Path
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Ye dude was a fun Dota 2 weekend. Yopu referring to this game: http://dotabuff.com/matches/208415550

Also this match: http://dotabuff.com/matches/210049634 I played with the judges clan last night. Was epic. We were so far behind but then turned the game around and won after 70 min in the 30 min mark we were 32-17 behind with all our towers pushed....
 
Weeman360 said:
Awesome late night game last night with R4C3 and Saint. I feel bad for the other team. they never stood a chance! Not with Saint's insane Jakiro ult and Ice Path
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Saint found the Ulti button? :wtf:

R4C3 said:
Ye dude was a fun Dota 2 weekend. Yopu referring to this game: http://dotabuff.com/matches/208415550

Also this match: http://dotabuff.com/matches/210049634 I played with the judges clan last night. Was epic. We were so far behind but then turned the game around and won after 70 min in the 30 min mark we were 32-17 behind with all our towers pushed....
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Will see if I can join you guys tonight, played 1 or 2 games this weekend, but were bit busy over all
 
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