Lyt
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It's not about what they do for very,very few individuals. They are ducking this country up, and if someone doesn't see that and votes for them all I can say is he's a bloody idiot.
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It's not about what they do for very,very few individuals. They are ducking this country up, and if someone doesn't see that and votes for them all I can say is he's a bloody idiot.
Lyt
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What's naive about my views? Care to share yours? ANC is nothing good to this country. Point.
Fivel
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And that is your view, I get it, but it is not shared by millions who keep them in power. You were not legally discriminated against because of your skin colour, this was only addressed in the early 90s. So to be dismissive of folk who vote for the ANC purely because they dismantled apartheid is naive, you do not demonstrate any understanding of what they meant to many folk.
Sure there are many challenges to the country, not only because of the ANC's abysmal governance, do you think the National Party was any better?
to0kenZA
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Fivel, you are just too considerate and nice for your own good
But on a serious note though, the ANC has brought nothing but corruption to this country. I can see why the majority of black, impoverished people will vote for the ANC, but that doesn't make it right. The ANC will NEVER help them. And if the DA or any other party for that matter comes into power with the ability do do something about the shocking state the majority of this nation is living in, then I will stop voting for them as well. In fact, this whole system humanity is running on at the moment is broken so I don't know why we're showing support for it by voting for ANY of it.
Fivel
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Fivel, you are just too considerate and nice for your own good
It's not about right or wrong, this is a democracy so your vote is your vote, regardless of your reasons.
I don't agree Tooks that the ANC have brought nothing but corruption, the world is a much more transparent place and as a result we see and hear more about it. The Nats did just as much it was not talked about. I am not an ANC supporter but when we get to sweeping generalizations I have a problem with that.
Politicians are the problem, they have lost sight that they are public servants and there in lies the problem, whether they are ANC, DA or whoever.
to0kenZA
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Sorry, my message may have been a bit unclear, but that's pretty much what I was trying to convey. I agree with that 100%.
I am however going to say that I think the world as a whole needs a revamped governance system that focuses more on people and available, sustainable resources and less on capitalism and corporations.
The way it currently operates is just not working. Anyone that disagrees with that can just take a look around to see the truth.
We've had some heavy conversations in the office and around braai fires about this all around the country, and my view point is this, we need to move away from democracy as it is in it's current form, it should be a bit more complex as per who gets to vote. Before being dismissive, quite a few people have agreed to some of my points, it would be a very interesting world if it worked as follows:
Meritocracy - where individuals will get voting power based on their contribution to the country, or based on merit, say for instance if you have no matric, you get 1 vote, if you have matric you get 2, if you pay tax you get 3, if you have a qualification you get 4 and so on and so on, this would be a much better way to decide who you govern instead of people who don't contribute get the same amount of voting power as those that really deserve more power to vote, if you get what I'm saying, I mean wouldn't it just be a lot better?
The metrics for your merit system is up for debate, but I just want to hear about opinions regarding this way of deciding who votes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy
DCWarhound
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This i can agree with.Unfortunately this will never happen because a corrupt government will want to stay in power while a 'less' corrupt government thinks that it knows best.The only way that system would happen is if the Government is overthrown via a Coup d'état.
The problem with most ANC voters is that they vote based on emotion,this has been shown in multiple interviews with ANC voters.Their way of thinking if very much like that of a child.
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For sure it'll never get off the ground here, but in a higher educated country i'd love to see a model of it in action, to any degree, just to see how it'll do compared to democracy
Lyt
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Yoh guy, what are you smoking? ANC dismantled apartheid? FW de Klerk unbanned all opposing parties and freed Nelson, and ended apartheid due to immense political pressure from the west, and also partly due to his own views against apartheid. ANC was the largest black party then, so when the first true democratic elections were held in 1994 the majority of the populace voted for the biggest - which is the ANC.
I know what it meant to the many folk, yet the people who vote for ANC haven't realized that they do nothing other than drive the country into the grave. 20 years in power, and it gets worse by the day. The people in power now don't give a tos about its people.
Erm I think that apart from apartheid they were far superior. SA flourished(apart from the riots etc) under the rule of NP and the parties before them. If only they never introduced apartheid and gave equal rights and opportunities to everybody in SA we would be close to a first world country.
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Fivel
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Um no, FW was the President then so he legally made the proclamation. This was a collective effort by all to bring an end to Apartheid, you are missing a lot that happened behind the scenes.
Your blinkered view continues.
Lyt, only 10% of SA flourished, while the rest were oppressed, not sure how you can relate that to being superior.
Lyt
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Yes and?
/Shocked that you fail to see the obvious. And I'm the one being called narrow minded. /shocked
As I said, apart from the evils brought by apartheid. Yes non white citizens were shat on. Infrastructure was improving, healthcare was improving, transport was improving, public services were improving. Oh and the quality of services were improving. Didn't have a strike in the public sector every 2nd day.
Lyt
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Easier arguing with a potato.
Fivel
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No worries Lyt, you make many statements and then when you are asked to back them up or explain them you back off or resort to insults again. I'm trying to understand your point of view better, but it seems there is not much substance to what you are posting.
Happy to leave it here then, we both seem to have said our say.
Tsar
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Well its not easier for the black folk only for a lucky few. Just saying.
Lyt
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Except that I explained my statement many times and it didn't seem to penetrate your head.
When did I say that everything was improving? Ask any 50-60 year old afrikaner who lived in SA during apartheid and they will tell you how much better the public services, infrastructure, economy and other things were. Just looking at something like SAPS or SADF should tell you. I never denied, and even said in my previous posts, how horrible non white citizens were treated.
Guy, when have I insulted you?
There isn't a point of view here, there are facts.
during apartheid :
infrastructure, economy and many other things in the country were better - fact
after apartheid
go into your local police station ( if you can find it ) or your nearest public hospital and look down on the condition of the road you will be driving on - ought to tell you enough.
But yeah lets leave it at that, as from my previous arguments with you nothing fruitful comes out of it.
Peace.