South Africa makes top 10 in global eSport rankings

Perhaps we want to keep it tidy folks - let's not drop our standards as some *other* forum tends to do.
 
Lazygamer said:
*cough* http://www.lazygamer.net/pc-gaming/...ficially-recognised-as-an-athlete-by-america/ *cough*

To the rest of the responses,

Some of them have been thought provoking and can be seen as valid, we offer a different experience to the other local sites and we are happy about that.

To the guy who said welcome to a real forum, thanks for the invite. Our site doesn't have a forum as we prefer to focus on the news... *lowblow*

As for the stats.. we get more uniques in a day than your local count for a month. So yes you, or should I say your forum and ADSL articles, are leading the way locally but we're playing in a different league.

We can all live together in harmony in our seperate houses.

Oh lastly, someone asked why I even brought mygaming and el33t up, simply because I believe the people posting press releases as news should be called out. If you are happy for MyGaming to be that place then cool.. But when you want the real news, and yes some rumour and gossip, then you know where to find us :)

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I am the guy you are referring too, and after dropping my own personal standards I went and looked at your site, Honestly it looks like a blog site and nothing more. So sorry for that...lol

When we want real news? You mean the stuff on your blog site that looks like it was written by kids during play time?

If you want to be taken seriously you should have taken the high road and not post such trivial non sense about the My Gaming article.
Makes you come across as a jealous little bitch.
 
James said:
Well, I'm not sure what the general attitudes are of the pro gamers out there. I do obviously follow the news around it and sometimes see the little issues that arise.

Playing for Team South Africa is a commitment, and the MSSA has certain processes to follow in this regard. It seems that some SA pro gamers want all the perks of the trips to compete overseas, but none of the responsibilities (both time and effort) toward the Team South Africa brand that comes with it.

Let's keep it all in perspective; sport is seen as a societal transformational pastime under our constitution - an upliftment activity. This is why MSSA tries to get involved at the school level, and this is why various sports get the help of government funding.

Our constitution and SASCOC are actually quite progressive in this regard - for example, USA doesn't have any government support for eSport - it is not recognised by their Olympic committee. The only US eSport stuff we see is all private commercial operations. It's not the MSSA's responsibility to form teams to compete in these private professional leagues. That would be like SAFA funding the South African football team to compete in EUFA. This is where the private sponsorships and player ambition are required to get SA players into these leagues, and even then, they won't be competing as Team South Africa.

One of the things MSSA must do (as per SASCOC regulations) is compete in globally recognised events where nations go head to head. The IeSF is pretty much the only organisation that fits the bill, especially now that WCG is on ice. It's much like how SAFA must register with FIFA to compete (of course there are many more choices for nation-on-nation contest in football).

As far as I'm aware, the only real restriction on the team members is that they must be paid members of MSSA, or a member of a clan that is a member of MSSA. The reasons being that the fees go toward the administration of the federation, and there are various stakeholders that need to be protected. You can't have Team South Africa pitching up at a world championship, and then they all ditch their Team SA sponsored gear and wear gear from a club and sponsor that isn't even a member of MSSA.

Again, this is common in all professional sport. You can Google the player contracts the SA rugby team signs - many, many more rules and restrictions. I'm not sure why gamers feel entitled to special treatment in this regard (i.e. not having to sign a contract).

Basically, what I'm getting at, is that professional eSport in SA isn't entirely about the MSSA - they are just the route you must follow if you want to represent the country. It seems that the gaming community is laying the blame for the entirely lacklustre eSport scene at the feet of the MSSA, when it really should be a collaborative effort between players, sponsors, and MSSA. It's going to be really difficult to get there if everyone just slags off MSSA all the time and refuses to work with them, and then (ironically) turns around and says MSSA didn't field the best team possible. MSSA isn't going anywhere, so people can work to improve it from within (and maybe get some new perspective) or contribute to eSport in other ways.

One last note for perspective; eSport is insanely niche in SA - I don't mean the kind of eSport where buddies get together, form clans, and enter DGL for weekend battles and a grand outing at rAge once a year (and a few more organised clans making a moderate success out of the pastime). I'm talking about dedicated eSport professionals who want to make a career out of it, much like people make careers out of rugby and football. It's a time consuming and expensive thing to achieve, and in SA, eSport just doesn't attract the glamour and sponsorship money that other sports do (e.g. cricket, rugby, football). Go look up some stories of what people go through to get to the Olympics for their niche sports - often their campaigns are self-funded because they are passionate about what they do, not because they want a free trip overseas to play bit of StarCraft.

The fact that the MSSA struggles to promote eSport in SA at levels we would like to see isn't a cause of the problem, its a symptom of the overall eSport milieu.
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ok cool so if this is the case i dont get why MSSA dont let the community know of this or make it more open to the pubic. One must dig to get this information.

From what i have seen over the past years is Players and organizers dont want to work with MSSA. I heard this from Lan hosts where in they got pushed around and bashed by Colin him self. I dont expect any one to just sit on a gravy train to get some place.

I just feel that MSSA is very out date-ted, and could do better with communication. Sport organizations are hard and same is got esports but I have not seen coverage of and events up to date news, about any events so how could out side people get involved when it feels more like a Mickey mouse organization.

I just never see anything good coming from MSSA I dont even know who the top dude is. But know Colin runs the show and not very well.
 
Lazygamer said:
*cough* http://www.lazygamer.net/pc-gaming/...ficially-recognised-as-an-athlete-by-america/ *cough*
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You have taken a line from my lengthy response out of context, and I assume that your coughing fit is to infer that my statement is incorrect. Why don't you just say what you intend rather than disguising it?

To respond to that inference, yes, the US immigration department recognised a professional eSport competitor on the same level as other physical sports so he can get a visa. He will now be able to live and compete in US professional gaming leagues under that visa. That doesn't speak to what I actually said, that the US has no official governing body for Team USA eSport.

Lazygamer said:
As for the stats.. we get more uniques in a day than your local count for a month. So yes you, or should I say your forum and ADSL articles, are leading the way locally but we're playing in a different league.
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Either you are trolling, lying, or can't do math. I'm perfectly happy to pull the latest Effective Measure report for our respective stats (if you agree) and publish it here so that anyone with a calculator can see your statement is flatly wrong.

Lazygamer said:
To the guy who said welcome to a real forum, thanks for the invite. Our site doesn't have a forum as we prefer to focus on the news... *lowblow*
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Actually, you did launch a forum once. How did that turn out? Not so easy to run one successfully, is it? *lowblow*
 
z1oc said:
ok cool so if this is the case i dont get why MSSA dont let the community know of this or make it more open to the pubic. One must dig to get this information.

From what i have seen over the past years is Players and organizers dont want to work with MSSA. I heard this from Lan hosts where in they got pushed around and bashed by Colin him self. I dont expect any one to just sit on a gravy train to get some place.

I just feel that MSSA is very out date-ted, and could do better with communication. Sport organizations are hard and same is got esports but I have not seen coverage of and events up to date news, about any events so how could out side people get involved when it feels more like a Mickey mouse organization.

I just never see anything good coming from MSSA I dont even know who the top dude is. But know Colin runs the show and not very well.
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Yeah, at the end of the day I think there is vast room for improvement at MSSA, and SA eSport in general. I don't follow the hearsay about the organisation, so I can't comment there. This is one of the reasons I do publish their releases, because it's the only news we get coming out of the MSSA, and it means there is a published record of what they are doing - sans editorial injections.
 
James said:
Either you are trolling, lying, or can't do math. I'm perfectly happy to pull the latest Effective Measure report for our respective stats (if you agree) and publish it here so that anyone with a calculator can see your statement is flatly wrong.
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Please make this happen. It would be interesting to see what the real story is.

James said:
Actually, you did launch a forum once. How did that turn out? Not so easy to run one successfully, is it? *lowblow*
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James said:
Yeah, at the end of the day I think there is vast room for improvement at MSSA, and SA eSport in general. I don't follow the hearsay about the organisation, so I can't comment there. This is one of the reasons I do publish their releases, because it's the only news we get coming out of the MSSA, and it means there is a published record of what they are doing - sans editorial injections.
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yea thats kinda the reason Im not happy with MSSA but o well maybe they will wake up and think for abit. Maybe rethink there "game play" for esports and table top games because dont see alot of it.

Shot for the feed back james :D hope I was not to harsh ^^
 
Fivel said:
A dictionary is a useful tool in any 'journos' arsenal. A spelling checker even better.
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Haha... That just raises more questions...

Is a spell-checker too complicated for him to install? Is the Dunning-Kruger effect so strong in him that his illusory sense of superiority really prevents him from realising his own flaws?

Who knows.

We're all human though, we all make mistakes but Lazygamer seems to just machine-gun words--broken and otherwise--into articles in the hope that nobody notices. And I suspect that's the thing--their readership simply just doesn't (or can't).

Also, it's really hard to feel any sympathy for them, dyslexic or not, considering that they shat in our pond and lack the moral or ethical backbone to apologise and get on with their lives.

So, I'll just be over here, applauding James' brilliant retorts to this asinine turd.
 
Official SA traffic stats

It is really unnecessary to argue about matters when the facts are readily available.

January 2014 South African traffic statistics for MyGaming and Lazygamer:

MyGaming


  • Unique Visitors - 43 893
  • Page Views - 488 919

Lazygamer


  • Unique visitors - 34 821
  • Page Views - 302 333

Both websites' core readership, operations and advertising revenue are generated in South Africa, so SA traffic is far more relevant than international traffic.
 
admin said:
It is really unnecessary to argue about matters when the facts are readily available.

January 2014 South African traffic statistics for MyGaming and Lazygamer:

MyGaming


  • Unique Visitors - 43 893
  • Page Views - 488 919

Lazygamer


  • Unique visitors - 34 821
  • Page Views - 302 333

Both websites' core readership, operations and advertising revenue are generated in South Africa, so SA traffic is far more relevant than international traffic.
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Awaiting reply with a different take on the same traffic report in 3...2....1....
 
admin said:
It is really unnecessary to argue about matters when the facts are readily available.

January 2014 South African traffic statistics for MyGaming and Lazygamer:

MyGaming


  • Unique Visitors - 43 893
  • Page Views - 488 919

Lazygamer


  • Unique visitors - 34 821
  • Page Views - 302 333

Both websites' core readership, operations and advertising revenue are generated in South Africa, so SA traffic is far more relevant than international traffic.
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Normally I'm not a fan of argumentum ad populum (look at the Biebers in the world) but in this case I'll make an exception and join TheAvenged87:

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Having never heard of LazyGamer before, this guy seems awfully "childish" to come here and attempt to throw punches after they posted a ridiculous article based on a small error from this site.

Reading through their articles they should realize how easy it is to make grammatical mistakes.
 
Lazygamer said:
The government officially viewed him as an athelete and now he's got a high performance visa.. as can anyone else..

They are pretty progressive on that front.. I'll make sure to -1 from our report this month :)
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-2 please i went to read that article as well dont worry you wont have to minus it ever again
 
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