What SA gamers drink

Snare said:
I think that the point that Dee is trying to make is that whilst it is impossible for everyone to agree with one another on all matters; it is still possible to engage in conflicting rhetoric without aggravating the parties whom hold opposing viewpoints. You HAVE made good points, however don't you think it's kind of counter-intuitive that the message of your arguments sometimes get lost in the scathing nature of your delivery? (Again this applies to many people on the forum)

I think that we as a forum need to begin beleaguering the points of opposing arguments and not simply the individuals espousing them.


And harde Dee; TK is too elite bro; Insanity makes people laugh at me there :p
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I often retort, I try not to be tactless off the bat.

Though frankly I am not known for my social tact... Rather the opposite. It's a condition. The forum needs to come to a consensus of acceptance. People are scared away more often than not by the more veteran members. This is sad for a forum designed with community in mind. I didn't give a hoot, because frankly as empathetic as I can be to any person in any situation, it does not alter my mindset, that had me stick around. I see many people come and go due to being almost warded off with warnings of bannings and silly comments of disapproval. That is why I find it quite ironic, how most still deny the double standard.
 
Stunt said:
I often retort, I try not to be tactless off the bat.

Though frankly I am not known for my social tact... Rather the opposite. It's a condition. The forum needs to come to a consensus of acceptance. People are scared away more often than not by the more veteran members. This is sad for a forum designed with community in mind. I didn't give a hoot, because frankly as empathetic as I can be to any person in any situation, it does not alter my mindset, that had me stick around. I see many people come and go due to being almost warded off with warnings of bannings and silly comments of disapproval. That is why I find it quite ironic, how most still deny the double standard.
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I'm still waiting for you to offer up an example of this double standard.
 
Stunt said:
I often retort, I try not to be tactless off the bat.

Though frankly I am not known for my social tact... Rather the opposite. It's a condition. The forum needs to come to a consensus of acceptance. People are scared away more often than not by the more veteran members. This is sad for a forum designed with community in mind. I didn't give a hoot, because frankly as empathetic as I can be to any person in any situation, it does not alter my mindset, that had me stick around. I see many people come and go due to being almost warded off with warnings of bannings and silly comments of disapproval. That is why I find it quite ironic, how most still deny the double standard.
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The benefit of the internet is that it enables us to filter our in-person selves into a format that carries over our message more than our personalities. The double standard thing is not unique to the forum; but is symptomatic of society at large. Nevertheless we cannot allow this to be something that leads to us behaving like the rest of the interwebs. The method to changing how things work is to be the example as to how we should be.
 
Threats of bannings? I'm the only one who would be dishing those out with due cause, and I rarely have to do it.
 
Stunt said:
TK thread. I even have a nice post on it there, with bullet points and everything :)
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You're making me expend effort to respond now...

Stunt said:
  • When I joined it was in the heat of a PS4 giveaway, where it became apparent that spamming is frowned upon, unless you have been around for more than three months and spam the TK thread - which is a chat room. Some don't even comment in other threads, they just spam here. That's where my "double standard" joke comes from :p
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Your idea of "double-standards" is that a bunch of grumpy old men in TK moan about spam, but they themselves spam? While certainly hypocrisy (something that other regs, including myself, have pointed out when it's aimed at genuinely innocent newbs) that's not exactly the equivalent of wailing offence at a hyperbolic article that intends to poke fun.

I was expecting something along the lines of the religious bigots and the homophobes not being granted tolerance. In which case I was quite happily prepared to engage with you on the preposterous nature of comparing a light-hearted article to the intolerance of bigotry.

  • TK is also the place to discuss other forum going on's like some teenage girls instead of going at the argument like adults. I.e. Mephisto's comment a few pages back implying I am the reason he will stop supporting your clan.
  • ^ Lol.
  • The elites as stated above refers to the majority of active forum veterans, mostly active in TK.
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And this... This is high-school politicking. I don't give a fabulous fart about that or see its relevance to your persecution complex in this thread.

In the meantime (with my own fancy bullet points), you've illustrated:

  • That the only time that someone needs to apply "context" is when it's related to something you've written and not, say, an article and that you've decided to exercise your persecution complex on. (Reading something into a piece of information that doesn't exist isn't applying context. That's called applying an agenda.)
  • That you're a hypocrite accusing the rest of the forum's members of being hypocrites (read: you're as guilty as the rest of the forum and are part of the same silly politicking).
  • That your idea of "double-standards" is the intolerance of the regulars in the chat thread of a bunch of competition newbies spamming the rest of the forum with meaningless tripe, who proceed to necro countless dead threads and have no intention of actually being a part of the community...
  • Not to mention that you think that a "healthy argumentative nature" is demonstrated by such erudite remarks as, "You are such a joke dude."

You don't have a "healthy argumentative nature"... you have a downright contrary and wilfully argumentative character flaw.

Let me put this as simply as humanly possible...

There are many things in life to get upset about and there are many, many things in life that can result in a person taking valid, justified offence: Having your rights denied to you, being maliciously insulted, unfair discrimination, bigotry, and then some. This is because these are things that cause you genuine harm.

Being someone who drinks alcohol and having a gaming-themed news site refer to a vague number of anonymous survey participants, that you happened to be a part of, as "a boozy bunch" does not constitute valid, justified offence. That, Stunt, is a persecution complex, a guilty conscience and a simple, stupid desire to push an agenda that doesn't fucking exist.

To which, there is only one thing that I can say, a quote from my dear Stephen Fry:

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Either way, I have better things to do than argue with someone who has a "healthy argumentative nature" since that seems to involve me expending far too much time to illustrate the problem with your logic and receiving little more than "HURR DURR" in return (albeit in very pretty bullet-point form).

So... Have fun and all that, Boozer.
 
tldr;

I did notice your little cheap shot though, so in retort...

If I were to do a survey on a forum about sexual preference it would be appropriate to title the survey results as "Forum members are a faggety bunch", if the results carried that outcome?

Ooooooohhhhhhh.... Look what he just said. Discrimination carries through all works and fields, to try and limit it to your own standards is immature. To presume that calling me a boozer is without any ill nature, is even more proof of what an idiotic buffoon you really are and not to mention, how removed you are from understanding social equality.

I have a friend who died in a car accident due to an absolute twit of a boozer. For you to place me in that bracket is childish and clearly announces how ignorant you are.

If you are going to respond with how fag and boozer are different, you have a lot to learn - I suggest you get to it.
 
Stunt said:
tldr;

I did notice your little cheap shot though, so in retort...

If I were to do a survey on a forum about sexual preference it would be appropriate to title the survey results as "Forum members are a faggety bunch", if the results carried that outcome?
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The word is "faggot." So if you were going to try your darndest to use that word in a puerile attempt to provoke me, the least you can do is learn to spell it correctly.

Ooooooohhhhhhh.... Look what he just said. Discrimination carries through all works and fields, to try and limit it to your own standards is immature. To presume that calling me a boozer is without any ill nature, is even more proof of what an idiotic buffoon you really are and not to mention, how removed you are from understanding social equality.
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You're trying really hard right now, aren't you?

If you are going to respond with how fag and boozer are different, you have a lot to learn - I suggest you get to it.
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As a fag, I can quite happily declare that there is a difference--you'll note how you've tried to provoke me with that word numerous times in one post and failed repeatedly because, unlike you, I CAN tell the difference based on context and don't have a persecution complex overriding my common sense.

Wake the fuck up.
 
Stunt said:
I often retort, I try not to be tactless off the bat.
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Keep trying, perfection is still out of reach :D

Stunt said:
People are scared away more often than not by the more veteran members.
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Not entirely untrue, yet in comparison to other forums, MyG is a very friendly place to new members. And I'm not just referring to the BigBrother on the other side of the server room.
I felt comfortable from the start when I first joined which I can't say for all other forums. Yes, my head did get shat on for doing things that is not acceptable here, but I learned from my mistakes and made sure that I don't get caug... didn't repeat them. Like any place, there are rules of conduct here. It is also expected of senior members to guide new members and some are more adapt at being tactful than others. That is part of life; not everybody is in a good mood every day. A lot of the senior members are also TK regulars, so that is where your "elitist" perception may originate.

McT said:
Unfortunately I am one of those few took it that way.
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That is very unfortunate since I am 100% sure it was not the intention. The style of the articles have been to refer to the respondents under the majority choices even thought there are large chunks of people that don't fit there (Gamers don't smoke, Gamers are not Virgins etc). The idea behind it, I think, is to end the series with a "This is what the average gamer in SA looks like" article.
I don't entirely understand yourself and Stunt's reaction to it, but I can't in all honesty fault you guys either.
The problem I have with this is that some people (looking at you, Stunt and some guys on MyBB) is now using this issue to dish out insults and raise other issues that is unnecessary.
Knowing you from the forums (both here and there) I am glad, but not surprised that you didn't partake in the personal mud slinging.

Snare said:
So even though you now know exactly what was meant by the comment, do you still insist on being offended?
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I think it's his fullest right to be offended if he choose to do so. It is also his right to voice his concern and opinion about it. If a persons offence is not hurtful to others, where is the harm? We may not understand their reasoning but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be at least partially understanding to their views.

I think it is only once your offence is hurtful to others (racist, homophobic, sexist etc) that it is a problem.
 
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Been lurking in this thread a bit and I have to say I think everyone overeacted a "bit" over this whole article about demographics, and have taken this far beyond what it was supposed to be.

Just one question, why is everyone so worked up? We're all members here for the same reason, and some of us even share personal experiences together. It's quite a tight-knit bunch, but that does not mean we have to always defend our opinions and views about things to the death, on a gaming forum.

I'm not saying there's something wrong with expressing yourself and your opinion, but why let it go past the stage of airing yours, and accepting others'. Just take it down a notch peeps...it's really not worth turning a platform for a civilized conversation into a messy mudfight.

Shit's always going to get messy; people are going to get personal, and IMHO, it's just not worth the trouble.

My 2c, for what it's worth.
 
Ooooh kay then. I have to say, I'm never one to keep quiet when I've been offended, but dang, I never viewed this thread as offensive in any way. Heck, I even admitted I like pink drinks and no one insulted me. I can't really see the offensiveness of this thread. It's a pretty interesting topic in my opinion.

Edit: It might be my Afrikaans background that is passively trying to protect these bunch of alchies. :D
 
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