Murph
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Dead space was a good game
Dead Space was and is an incredible game.
God knows what Raven's got against that one :/
5 Things Hardcore Gamers Need to Get Over
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Dead Space was and is an incredible game.
God knows what Raven's got against that one :/
Tsar
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I have to agree with you there. Raven how can you say generals was dumbed down?
Azimuth
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1. Why on earth would you play Resident Evil 4 standing?
2. Actually, I've played one of those Harry Potter games (on Wii, no less), and it was a solid, entertaining game. Just because it looks casual doesn't mean it's shit.
3. But Halo isn't trying to be Half-Life 2. Halo is mostly about the multiplayer, and the multiplayer is loads of fun.
I just can't work out why you'd waste your time "blasting" this stuff. So you're not into it. K. Play something else. I just don't understand this mindset that says, "If you don't like it, rage." Gamers spend far too much time hating on things they don't like instead of playing things they do like.
Not all serious gamers care about JRPGs.
Raven Gold
Local Boy Hunter
Dead space was a good game
Dead space was just badly ported. Sure it might great on whatever console you guys played it on. But the PC version was just plain bad.
Yeah, but atleast in RA2 and earlier they didn't try and hide it behind all sorts of useless "strong vs/weak vs" crap. And Generals and onward were just copying starcraft in the playing style.
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Tsar
The thing that should not be
I played it on the pc and it was fine. But Generals was the same as other c&c games.
Voicy
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I used to be a solid gamer, but dumbed myself down quite hectically ... mostly because I want to zone out while gaming in my old age.
I've gone from playing games for 32hrs straight or Lanning 3 days in succession to getting bored with a game 40mins in and going to bed.
I'd honestly prefer to play the old nintendo games than sit through hours of tutorials and long boring quests.
In essence, I believe game development has changed gaming from a challenge to a storyline. Because face it, even though most game storylines leave a lot to be desired, you're still expected to be able to finish the game. Older gen games were actually properly challenging. Especially with no save option. I've never beaten the end boss in Jackal, no matter how many times I played through the stages to get my damn jeep there. Beating the end boss in Contra felt like an accomplishment.
In fact I can list a ton of games I played where I'd sit for hours and hours on end each and every night trying to clock it, to no avail. Double Dragon1 , Karateka, Adventure Islander, GI Joe, Those little mini ninjas, Monsterbash, BioMenace, etc. All those games were flipping hard and you'd replay them from scratch each time, but it kept you entertained.
Lately I've put my MMO's aside again because they're too mundane. I get immense pleasure out of my basic titles such as Little Big Planetâ„¢, Sega Rally (Arguably the plainest racing game out there) and Burnout (where I've only completed maybe 3 missions, the restof the time I just randomly crash into stuff for the hell of it.)
As for motion control, I haven't had much experience with it, but I get the feeling the technology is the main focus, rather than subtly complimenting the game. Uncharted is a prime example of how it could be used, where you have to balance-walk across a beam maybe 2 or 3 times in the entire game. The rest of the time PowderBucket and I can sit on the couch like a bunch of lurkers and move little more than our fingers.
Halo I played flat out on PC back when it first came out ... it was really epic until I ran out of bullets and had to use alien guns. I _HATE_ alien / non realistic guns. Which is why I don't play Doom/Quake/whatnot ... (Quake1 Nailgun, you're forgiven my dear friend)
As for FPS's ... I only really play SP mode. I used to be a die-hard CS & BF2 fan playing online literally nonstop. I even have close to 100hrs logged just for commander. But again - lately I just find it a drag and would rather play a single player game somewhere else. I bought BC2 and finished the campaign, but logging little over an hour on MP before stopping.
In closing ... gaming means something different to each and every one of us. As long as you enjoy your level of gamerosity, so what? I'm glad we're all at different levels of gaming and enjoy different games. Diversity is the spice of life.
/Flamesuit ON
I've gone from playing games for 32hrs straight or Lanning 3 days in succession to getting bored with a game 40mins in and going to bed.
I'd honestly prefer to play the old nintendo games than sit through hours of tutorials and long boring quests.
In essence, I believe game development has changed gaming from a challenge to a storyline. Because face it, even though most game storylines leave a lot to be desired, you're still expected to be able to finish the game. Older gen games were actually properly challenging. Especially with no save option. I've never beaten the end boss in Jackal, no matter how many times I played through the stages to get my damn jeep there. Beating the end boss in Contra felt like an accomplishment.
In fact I can list a ton of games I played where I'd sit for hours and hours on end each and every night trying to clock it, to no avail. Double Dragon1 , Karateka, Adventure Islander, GI Joe, Those little mini ninjas, Monsterbash, BioMenace, etc. All those games were flipping hard and you'd replay them from scratch each time, but it kept you entertained.
Lately I've put my MMO's aside again because they're too mundane. I get immense pleasure out of my basic titles such as Little Big Planetâ„¢, Sega Rally (Arguably the plainest racing game out there) and Burnout (where I've only completed maybe 3 missions, the restof the time I just randomly crash into stuff for the hell of it.)
As for motion control, I haven't had much experience with it, but I get the feeling the technology is the main focus, rather than subtly complimenting the game. Uncharted is a prime example of how it could be used, where you have to balance-walk across a beam maybe 2 or 3 times in the entire game. The rest of the time PowderBucket and I can sit on the couch like a bunch of lurkers and move little more than our fingers.
Halo I played flat out on PC back when it first came out ... it was really epic until I ran out of bullets and had to use alien guns. I _HATE_ alien / non realistic guns. Which is why I don't play Doom/Quake/whatnot ... (Quake1 Nailgun, you're forgiven my dear friend)
As for FPS's ... I only really play SP mode. I used to be a die-hard CS & BF2 fan playing online literally nonstop. I even have close to 100hrs logged just for commander. But again - lately I just find it a drag and would rather play a single player game somewhere else. I bought BC2 and finished the campaign, but logging little over an hour on MP before stopping.
In closing ... gaming means something different to each and every one of us. As long as you enjoy your level of gamerosity, so what? I'm glad we're all at different levels of gaming and enjoy different games. Diversity is the spice of life.
/Flamesuit ON
Tsar
The thing that should not be
I have actually been playing old nintendo games of late. Love zoning out when I play games.
powderbucket
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Surprisingly, my opinions are informed. I've played it as well (The Half Blood Prince for PS3). I didn't like. In my opinion, it had very little depth and value (compared to, say, the old Jak and Daxter games). Just so happened that, like many other games of it kind which I also think aren't very good, it targeted more of a 'light-hearted' audience. Therefore I established a link between being casual and being shit.
I never said Halo was trying to be like Half Life 2, I just said that that it doesn't quite match up to it. I was not talking about multiplayer in the first place. I was talking about the single-player experience.
It's not "blasting" in the literal sense, Azimuth, it's expressing an opinion, just how you are expressing your opinion against mine. I don't spend a lot of time 'hating,' (more of my time is spend gaming), but when I am asked to discuss a particular topic on a forum and my feelings tend to a certain direction I will express them. The beauty of forums is to share different viewpoints. I'm not running around saying things like "Xbox is FoR StUpId PeOpLe" because I do not own one myself, but if I have had a bad experience with a game I will have a certain opinion of it and have a right to express it when asked. Just how you have the right to "rage" about and insult Counter Strike gamers to your heart's content in a national magazine.
That is called an example. Most gamers who play JRPGs are also 'hardcore' gamers.Not all serious gamers care about JRPGs.
I'm not sure where your "mindset" to "rage" at all my opinions is coming from. This is a discussion forum. If you want to patronize people, I'm sure you'll find somewhere else on the internet to do so.
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Tsar
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salambander
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It's interesting to see the people who churn out these blockbuster games that generally get called God Of <insert penis-extension here> are agreeing with powderbucket when she says that movie games like Harry Potter and so on are more casual than serious, and that they generally target a more casual audience. BioWare co-founder Greg Zeschuk spoke at a conference about how the investors aren't willing to take the risk on a game that isn't aimed at being a "blockbuster" game, like Halo, but that this means that awesomely creative other games like Okami and Shadow of Memories aren't reaching the audiences that they could reach.
He said,
Hopefully the people concerned will listen up, and start making some more games with longer playing time and more creative gameplay and storylines.
Personally, I tend to prefer games that have been made for the love of gaming, like Okami. Sadly they have a smaller budget (because of scaredy-cat investors) so the graphics might not be as flashy. But that means they can put more effort into the storyline, or the concept's creativity.
I think that's one difference between a hardcore and a casual gamer: a hardcore gamer will buy a game because it looks like an awesome game, because it's innovative, creative and exciting. A casual gamer will buy a game because it has a really pretty cover, lots of media coverage (a well-funded PR campaign cough cough) and like, all their friends bought it. A hardcore gamer will spend hours trawling through old, rare games in a second-hand gamestore, searching for a gem, whereas a casual gamer will buy a Wii (for example) and then get all the shiny attachments, so they can play all the shiny sports games at a party, five times, and then stick it in a cupboard. I put my parents in this category - they bought the Wii so they could have something to do on rainy days on their holiday, and now it gets pulled out for the Under-10s to play at braais. For a hardcore gamer, gaming is a big part of their life. For a softcore gamer, a game is something you do for fun because it beats counting your freckles.
It's how you approach a game. I would like to say that the level of passion with which you defend or bash a game on an internet game forum has a direct relationship with your level of hardcoritudiness, but it doesn't. Because on another forum you'd probably find people just as passionately defending or bashing crochet patterns.
If you want to read the full article about Greg Zeschuk's talk, click here
He said,
Hopefully the people concerned will listen up, and start making some more games with longer playing time and more creative gameplay and storylines.
Personally, I tend to prefer games that have been made for the love of gaming, like Okami. Sadly they have a smaller budget (because of scaredy-cat investors) so the graphics might not be as flashy. But that means they can put more effort into the storyline, or the concept's creativity.
I think that's one difference between a hardcore and a casual gamer: a hardcore gamer will buy a game because it looks like an awesome game, because it's innovative, creative and exciting. A casual gamer will buy a game because it has a really pretty cover, lots of media coverage (a well-funded PR campaign cough cough) and like, all their friends bought it. A hardcore gamer will spend hours trawling through old, rare games in a second-hand gamestore, searching for a gem, whereas a casual gamer will buy a Wii (for example) and then get all the shiny attachments, so they can play all the shiny sports games at a party, five times, and then stick it in a cupboard. I put my parents in this category - they bought the Wii so they could have something to do on rainy days on their holiday, and now it gets pulled out for the Under-10s to play at braais. For a hardcore gamer, gaming is a big part of their life. For a softcore gamer, a game is something you do for fun because it beats counting your freckles.
It's how you approach a game. I would like to say that the level of passion with which you defend or bash a game on an internet game forum has a direct relationship with your level of hardcoritudiness, but it doesn't. Because on another forum you'd probably find people just as passionately defending or bashing crochet patterns.
If you want to read the full article about Greg Zeschuk's talk, click here
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powderbucket
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Making me sound like such a lazy bum <_<
(Although it is my preferred style of gaming. Best served with a cup of tea.)
salambander
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I second that. Although a bed >>>> a couch. Big fluffy pillows, duvet, ps3 and a nice big HD screen, these are a few of my favourite things.
Voicy
Resident Panty Kicker
Azimuth
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And you're absolutely entitled to not liking it. But that doesn't make it objectively shit. Do you see what I'm saying here? Different people have different expectations of games. It's not that your or theirs are any better, but rather that they're, you know, different. And that's okay.
No, you didn't. But it's like comparing, say, Starcraft and Team Fortress 2. They're entirely different; it's simply not a very good comparison at all.
Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "blasting". My response wasn't directed at you specifically, mind you, but rather that hater demographic that seems so determined to shit on everything that doesn't cater specifically to them. I'm all for constructive debate and discussion, however, and I'd like to think that's what's going on here. I apologise if I seem condescending; it's not my intention.
See above. I'm simply pointing out that some "serious gamers" - myself included - loathe JRPGs. I've no issue with people who like them, but rather the implication that being a "serious gamer" (for whatever that's worth) means being into JRPGs.
