Aliens

You guys are discussing whether or not there is life out in space. I'm still trying to determine if we even have intelligent life right here on earth! Chuck Norris excluded.
 
DenSweeP said:
You guys are discussing whether or not there is life out in space. I'm still trying to determine if we even have intelligent life right here on earth! Chuck Norris excluded.
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Exactly the reason Aliens wouldn't bother coming here. Idiocy is contagious.
 
My answer is no. Let me explain why.

If you read Bill Bryson's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything", most notably the chapter titled 'Lonely Planet', he explains just how lucky we are to actually exist. For example, if we were just a few percent closer or further from the Sun, we wouldn't be here. Also, our moon is the exact right size and distance to provide the gravitational influence necessary to keep us in check and allow for successful development of life. Furthermore, the Earth itself is made of just enough stuff to keep the interior molten and the exterior crusty, the atmosphere breathable, and the elements in perfect quantities to sustain us. And any deviations in any of these factors would result in insta-extinction.

From this, the way I see things is that we basically won the Existence Lottery with odds of several-bazillion-to-one: the chances of there being another planet even remotely similar to ours (i.e. being able to host sentient life) or at least within practical travelling distance that would allow aliens to actually cross paths with us one day, is zero.

And, even with the extremely unlikely possibility that other lifeforms capable of cognitive thought (and thus intergalactic travel) do exist, there's no chance we'd ever come in contact with them; well, at least not before our Sun burns out and we all perish.

Thus, IMHO, aliens effectively don't exist.
 
RustPuppet said:
My answer is no. Let me explain why.

If you read Bill Bryson's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything", most notably the chapter titled 'Lonely Planet', he explains just how lucky we are to actually exist. For example, if we were just a few percent closer or further from the Sun, we wouldn't be here. Also, our moon is the exact right size and distance to provide the gravitational influence necessary to keep us in check and allow for successful development of life. Furthermore, the Earth itself is made of just enough stuff to keep the interior molten and the exterior crusty, the atmosphere breathable, and the elements in perfect quantities to sustain us. And any deviations in any of these factors would result in insta-extinction.

From this, the way I see things is that we basically won the Existence Lottery with odds of several-bazillion-to-one: the chances of there being another planet even remotely similar to ours (i.e. being able to host sentient life) or at least within practical travelling distance that would allow aliens to actually cross paths with us one day, is zero.

And, even with the extremely unlikely possibility that other lifeforms capable of cognitive thought (and thus intergalactic travel) do exist, there's no chance we'd ever come in contact with them; well, at least not before our Sun burns out and we all perish.

Thus, IMHO, aliens effectively don't exist.
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Well when was that book written? Because scientist today are changing there views on everything.
 
RustPuppet said:
My answer is no. Let me explain why.

If you read Bill Bryson's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything", most notably the chapter titled 'Lonely Planet', he explains just how lucky we are to actually exist. For example, if we were just a few percent closer or further from the Sun, we wouldn't be here. Also, our moon is the exact right size and distance to provide the gravitational influence necessary to keep us in check and allow for successful development of life. Furthermore, the Earth itself is made of just enough stuff to keep the interior molten and the exterior crusty, the atmosphere breathable, and the elements in perfect quantities to sustain us. And any deviations in any of these factors would result in insta-extinction.

From this, the way I see things is that we basically won the Existence Lottery with odds of several-bazillion-to-one: the chances of there being another planet even remotely similar to ours (i.e. being able to host sentient life) or at least within practical travelling distance that would allow aliens to actually cross paths with us one day, is zero.

And, even with the extremely unlikely possibility that other lifeforms capable of cognitive thought (and thus intergalactic travel) do exist, there's no chance we'd ever come in contact with them; well, at least not before our Sun burns out and we all perish.

Thus, IMHO, aliens effectively don't exist.
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Tsar said:
Well when was that book written? Because scientist today are changing there views on everything.
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Yeah, new theories of other potential life supporting planets are cropping up which includes planets the size of mars but at the orbit ranges of venus. Watch a Discovery series called "Alien Planet" it'll broaden your perspective.
 
Raven Gold said:
Yeah, new theories of other potential life supporting planets are cropping up which includes planets the size of mars but at the orbit ranges of venus. Watch a Discovery series called "Alien Planet" it'll broaden your perspective.
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they say that one of the moons orbiting Jupiter is made of ice and might have living creatures living there.
 
RustPuppet said:
My answer is no. Let me explain why.

If you read Bill Bryson's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything", most notably the chapter titled 'Lonely Planet', he explains just how lucky we are to actually exist. For example, if we were just a few percent closer or further from the Sun, we wouldn't be here. Also, our moon is the exact right size and distance to provide the gravitational influence necessary to keep us in check and allow for successful development of life. Furthermore, the Earth itself is made of just enough stuff to keep the interior molten and the exterior crusty, the atmosphere breathable, and the elements in perfect quantities to sustain us. And any deviations in any of these factors would result in insta-extinction.

From this, the way I see things is that we basically won the Existence Lottery with odds of several-bazillion-to-one: the chances of there being another planet even remotely similar to ours (i.e. being able to host sentient life) or at least within practical travelling distance that would allow aliens to actually cross paths with us one day, is zero.

And, even with the extremely unlikely possibility that other lifeforms capable of cognitive thought (and thus intergalactic travel) do exist, there's no chance we'd ever come in contact with them; well, at least not before our Sun burns out and we all perish.

Thus, IMHO, aliens effectively don't exist.
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Ummm. Yeah. Okaaay. I uh, I don't know where to begin to help you out...so I won't.
 
Tsar said:
they say that one of the moons orbiting Jupiter is made of ice and might have living creatures living there.
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Yeah this moon is called Europa. With Jupiter's gravitational pull Europa stretches and compresses, which may cause heat on the underside of the ice causing it to melt. And there may just be lifeforms in the water, with the ice on top protecting it all from the vacuum of space.
 
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Hraffnir said:
Yeah this moon is called Europa. With Jupiter's gravitational pull Europa stretches and compresses, which may cause heat on the underside of the ice causing it to melt. And there may just be lifeforms in the water, with the ice on top protecting it all from the vacuum of space.
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That is what I meant.
 
Tsar said:
Well when was that book written? Because scientist today are changing there views on everything.
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It was published in 2003, though that's irrelevant as things like the Earth's composition or the position of the Moon aren't exactly things that change overnight.

Raven Gold said:
Yeah, new theories of other potential life supporting planets are cropping up which includes planets the size of mars but at the orbit ranges of venus. Watch a Discovery series called "Alien Planet" it'll broaden your perspective.
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Read my first post again: I'm not discounting the existence of other lifeforms, I'm saying that the chances of other sentient life are practically non-existent to us humans. My whole point of going through just why we're lucky enough to exist was to show that the chances of another similar planet (i.e. one that hosts 'intelligent' lifeforms) even remotely close to us is effectively zero.

Juice said:
Ummm. Yeah. Okaaay. I uh, I don't know where to begin to help you out...so I won't.
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That was a very constructive response. Rather stick to your pseudo-eccentric shoe posts.

Hraffnir said:
Yeah this moon is called Europa. With Jupiter's gravitational pull Europa stretches and compresses, which may cause heat on the underside of the ice causing it to melt. And there may just be lifeforms in the water, with the ice on top protecting it all from the vacuum of space.
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I hear what you're saying and I don't discount that there might be lifeforms there, but see my response to Raven Gold above.
 
RustPuppet said:
It was published in 2003, though that's irrelevant as things like the Earth's composition or the position of the Moon aren't exactly things that change overnight.



Read my first post again: I'm not discounting the existence of other lifeforms, I'm saying that the chances of other sentient life are practically non-existent to us humans. My whole point of going through just why we're lucky enough to exist was to show that the chances of another similar planet (i.e. one that hosts 'intelligent' lifeforms) even remotely close to us is effectively zero.



That was a very constructive response. Rather stick to your pseudo-eccentric shoe posts.



I hear what you're saying and I don't discount that there might be lifeforms there, but see my response to Raven Gold above.
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But dude the universe in infinite. There are infinite chances that there is life like us.
 
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